D.E Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 35 minutes ago, bunglebus said: Presumably Japanese car having a hose inserted into its posterior, in front of the Mini? Toyota Carina? chaseracer, Datsuncog, bunglebus and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiny Norman Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 I'd go with the Carina, quite distinctive tail lights. More telling is the '3/-3d' price of petrol. About 16p.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metal Guru Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 3 hours ago, bunglebus said: Presumably Japanese car having a hose inserted into its posterior, in front of the Mini? Can date this photo quite accurately. Pre- decimalisation , so before 15th Feb 1971, and there is a Mk3 Cortina at the head of the queue. This was launched at the Earls Court motor show 14-24 October 1970, so none would have been sold before that, and earliest sales were probably at least a month afterwards. 3/-3 a gallon = 4p a litre. adw1977 and bunglebus 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiny Norman Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 I remember going to the garage with my Dad on a Saturday where he'd get his Renault 16 filled up with a pound's worth of petrol and the man would check the tyres and oil, some days we'd go through the fancy new car wash. We knew how to make our own entertainment in the early 70s... ProgRocker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stendec Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 3/3 a gallon - those were the days! When I started driving in 1978 petrol was still under £1 a gallon and I could fill the tank for less than a tenner, in fact I think my Riley Elf took less than a fiver. Whats the dark car behind the Bedford CA (?) van? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Pastry Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 44 minutes ago, stendec said: Whats the dark car behind the Bedford CA (?) van? Fiat 128? chaseracer and stendec 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stendec Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 5 minutes ago, Mr Pastry said: Fiat 128? Yes, that's it, I had forgotten about the 128, I had thought 1100 but the door frames weren’t right, which was also the problem with everything else I could think of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stendec Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 53 minutes ago, stendec said: When I started driving in 1978 petrol was still under £1 a gallon… It didn’t stay that way for long, I had forgotten how quickly it went up, but Hansard gives the following average prices in an answer to a question in Parliament: pence/gallon Date four-star derv 15 April 1978 75 84 15 April 1979 88 92 15 April1980 132 135 15 January 1981 132 140 Almost doubled between April 78 and Jan 81, diesel wasn't quite as bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
High Jetter Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 35 minutes ago, Mr Pastry said: Fiat 128? It does look like it, not big enough for a 124/5 but hard to be sure. Dad had a new 128, surprisingly nippy but he moved on to Renners after that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metal Guru Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 2 hours ago, stendec said: 3/3 a gallon - those were the days! When I started driving in 1978 petrol was still under £1 a gallon and I could fill the tank for less than a tenner, in fact I think my Riley Elf took less than a fiver. Whats the dark car behind the Bedford CA (?) van? I first started buying my own petrol in about 1983. The prices were still for gallons , and a gallon was about the same as it is now for a litre, so 4.5x as much. However, inflation over that period is 411% , so pretty much the same. J R Hartley 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiny Norman Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 Car in the foreground behind the van definitely an early 128. Fabulous wee cars, shame they dissolved after a few British winters. stendec 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiniMinorMk3 Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 The price of fuel in that shot is 33 pence. The Carina did not start European sales until October 1971, 8 months after decimalisation. I remember my dad used to get about 3 gallons for a £1 back in 1969 or 1970 in his nice new Hillman Imp. Also i agree with 128 in foreground, you can just about make out the square raparound indicator. stendec 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stendec Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 59 minutes ago, Metal Guru said: I first started buying my own petrol in about 1983. The prices were still for gallons , and a gallon was about the same as it is now for a litre, so 4.5x as much. However, inflation over that period is 411% , so pretty much the same. Interesting, a 4.5 times increase between 1983 and now, so around 39 years. Based on a 1971 date for the above photo and a price was around 33 per gallon (it looks like it has just gone up from 32p as a small '3' appears to have been stuck over what looks like a '2') there was a 2.3 times increase between the start of 1971 and April 1978 or just over 7 years which would give an equivalent rate of 12.8 times over 39 years. It shows the impact of the 1973 oil crisis when OPEC introduced an oil embargo in the aftermath of the Yom Kippur war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stendec Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 12 minutes ago, MiniMinorMk3 said: The price of fuel in that shot is 33 pence. The Carina did not start European sales until October 1971, 8 months after decimalisation. I remember my dad used to get about 3 gallons for a £1 back in 1969 or 1970 in his nice new Hillman Imp. Ah, so not 3/3 but 33p per gallon. Not as good as 3/3 (which, I think converts to 16.25p) but I would still settle for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiniMinorMk3 Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 Here's how the price of cars went up from December 1969 to June 1980, almost a five fold increase during the turbulent '70s. stendec 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stendec Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 Yep, my rusty memory seems to recall that a Mini was £2k when I arrived in the UK as a young lad in 1978. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metal Guru Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 55 minutes ago, MiniMinorMk3 said: Here's how the price of cars went up from December 1969 to June 1980, almost a five fold increase during the turbulent '70s. I remember my Dad got a Cortina 2.0XL in 1976 for £2450. ( it was metallic Roman Bronze and went over his company car limit of £2400, so he had to pay the £50). My parents always were saying that it cost more than their house bought in 1960. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Missy Charm Posted November 5, 2022 Share Posted November 5, 2022 On 31/10/2022 at 08:24, D.E said: Paris, 1960. What is the silver sports car? https://digitalcollections.iu.edu/concern/images/zw12z602r?locale=en&query=paris+seine I've had a flick through one of my old books and the mystery car does resemble a Frazer Nash Targa Florio: The short front overhang, open mouth and round headlights fit, as does the very flat rear deck and upright windscreen. The mystery car also has a central air intake, a la Frazer Nash. jmsguzzi and nomiST 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayMK Posted November 5, 2022 Share Posted November 5, 2022 3 hours ago, Missy Charm said: I've had a flick through one of my old books and the mystery car does resemble a Frazer Nash Targa Florio: The short front overhang, open mouth and round headlights fit, as does the very flat rear deck and upright windscreen. The mystery car also has a central air intake, a la Frazer Nash. The mystery car looks more 'homebuilt' as Barratt suggested. The front and rear wheel arches look amateurish and the proportions are different. Perhaps the FN Targa Florio MK2 was the look that the builder was aiming for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
High Jetter Posted November 5, 2022 Share Posted November 5, 2022 Yes, the mouth of the mystery is more oval than the FN. I think the bonnet bulge is not central. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pieman Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 Spotted in a field demolition derby in the Netherlands - anyone know what this is please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.E Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 12 minutes ago, Pieman said: Spotted in a field demolition derby in the Netherlands - anyone know what this is please? Opel Olympia van... Pieman 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pieman Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 Thanks - strange looking thing when un-stripped too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiniMinorMk3 Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 puddlethumper, Pieman and bunglebus 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteersWithThrottle Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 On 11/5/2022 at 10:08 PM, High Jetter said: Yes, the mouth of the mystery is more oval than the FN. I think the bonnet bulge is not central. Also the A-pillar appears to be further forward on the mystery car. The front end in particular is sitting very low, there's no gap between the top of the tyre and the arch at the least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billy_bunter Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 Apologies for the shit picture. This appeared on my daily commute. Think he owns the Kak as well..... SteersWithThrottle and Datsuncog 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J R Hartley Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 10 minutes ago, billy_bunter said: Apologies for the shit picture. This appeared on my daily commute. Think he owns the Kak as well..... Matra Murena. Features three abreast seating. bunglebus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J R Hartley Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 Here's a couple of pictures of one from the Moffat car show in July. chaseracer, SteersWithThrottle and billy_bunter 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bunglebus Posted November 11, 2022 Author Share Posted November 11, 2022 20 hours ago, MiniMinorMk3 said: Opel Olympia panel van Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stendec Posted November 11, 2022 Share Posted November 11, 2022 (edited) Seen on the 'bay, photo from a "working newspaper archive" back of photo has the following and listing under the title of Innocenti Stelliva Edited November 11, 2022 by stendec Correct my bad typing Datsuncog and somewhatfoolish 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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