project Invacar MK12 - New owner Mrs 6Cyl

[BorniteIdentity]

Oh, I agree it's madness.

 

But I think I have to pursue this with the assumption of success or I'd give up straight away!

How is its actual condition compared with what you expected/hoped? I never saw the original advert!

[egg]

Ah, well there never was an original advert, just someone spotting it - info relayed here by LBF and me getting a bee in my bonnet about pursuing it. Just some slightly soft focus camera phone shots resulted from the yard.

 

As mentioned earlier - better and worse. Mr Cento nailed it - what is broken is very broken, but also it is pretty original - and what's there is almost as it came off the road.

[stuboy]

It's a 52-year-old two-stroke that's been left untouched and exposed to the elements up a tree in Norfolk for the last 20-odd years, so my guess would be "no".

id remove it take it home and put in a warm place for few weeks whilst pouring diesel down the bore and cider down my throat

[egg]

I think it would be easy* to remove the engine from its mounts, but it's the connections through to the control box inside the car that I'd worry about.

[tooSavvy]

Oh, I agree it's madness.

 

But I think I have to pursue this with the assumption of success or I'd give up straight away!

Agreed totally.... ToMM is quite nice, smart & potters along most satisfactorily [zero FTP = zero expenses]

 

BUT I'm totally obsessed with getting a *rear bootlip spoiler

 

*dealer fit, allegedly :/

 

 

I may have a line on one

[egg]

On domestic duties today so limited to vinegar bathing my brake light screws! #projectgoals.

 

 

What I should be doing is reading this book Christine has kindly sent to me...

 

[Remspoor]

If the engine is solid as an Ashford & Simpson song, it will not be so hard to use some sort of engine that powered a motorbike/scotter/maybe a Twizzy.(small eV)

[Yoss]

once again not sure on Mk12s, but I do know Model 70s generally all used the same FS880 key as found on many filing cabinets

Ha ha, I have one of those! It's for the locking fuel cap on my Triumph.

Nice to know I can use it to steal any Invacars that come my way. Probably a good job I didn't know that twenty years ago when they were still around in (slightly) larger numbers.

[LightBulbFun]

Ha ha, I have one of those! It's for the locking fuel cap on my Triumph.

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Nice to know I can use it to steal any Invacars that come my way. Probably a good job I didn't know that twenty years ago when they were still around in (slightly) larger numbers.

 

hah *dollywobbler and Zel quickly change their locks* 

 

or maybe its a good thing invacar users didn't know that or you may have found your self being tailgated by a small blue car trying to lasso fuel pipe to your car 

[Christine]

From Scooters and Mopeds by Hingston  . I know its the 9e but expect its similar

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[plasticvandan]

If you wanted someone to have a look at the engine,and I don't know why I'm saying this,I'd be up for getting it working,my only experience is 20 years working on and restoring classic bikes and villiers powered machinery.

Somewhere I have stashed away my grandads Villiers manual that he had while he worked repairing these cars back in the mid 60s

[egg]

Thanks Christine! So RobT arrived, after I'd first spent an hour doing more sweeping up.

 

The air filter and carb were removed. Umm. The top won't come off the carb so haven't been able to disconnect it completely. Let's leave it in diesel.

 

 

Hopefully after a few days more disassembly can occur. The spark plug ain't moving despite the addition of dizzle. Let's return to that another day.

 

How about the indicator lights? Dunno how to disconnect...help?

 

 

So we (Rob) moved on to removing the seat base for access and trying to make the sliding seat work. It doesn't, the pin that holds it in the driving position was seized.

 

 

Many hours, baby steps! Thanks to Rob for coming down.

[egg]

If you wanted someone to have a look at the engine,and I don't know why I'm saying this,I'd be up for getting it working,my only experience is 20 years working on and restoring classic bikes and villiers powered machinery.

Somewhere I have stashed away my grandads Villiers manual that he had while he worked repairing these cars back in the mid 60s

A kind offer indeed! Thank you.

[egg]

Are you a long way from me Dan?

[plasticvandan]

More than likely! As your location has the word 'bay' in it lol.im in Worcestershire.

[egg]

Ah, 200 ish miles then! Might be a bit of a trip...

[egg]

Also, we didn't quite have the right square end tool for the brake adjusters, so that was left for another day, although almost everything was sprayed in remonstrating fluid.

[dollywobbler]

Indicator wires probably need disconnecting some way into the loom. Has it got the typical Lucas sliding metal connectors behind that bodywork?

[egg]

Indicator wires probably need disconnecting some way into the loom. Has it got the typical Lucas sliding metal connectors behind that bodywork?

 

Ah, possibly, I see - I was expected to disconnect right at the light bulb end.

[shedenvy]

If only there was an ice cream tub big enough to dunk the whole invacar in.

[egg]

BTW, shouldn't there be gaskets between cylinder head and carb? There were none.

[LightBulbFun]

very cool to see some work commencing

 

 

May I recommend watching through DWs invacar playlist on youtube? of course the Model 70 and Mk12 are very different but the general printable of

 

"everything is sized how do I free it all off!" is still the same I would think

 

Ah, possibly, I see - I was expected to disconnect right at the light bulb end.

 

I think the connectors DW is talking about (and that are used on his Model 70) are called "bullet" connectors

 

I have a friend with an MGB in the states, and he was joking that he was going to have to order bullets from the UK 

 

Edit: I think on the brake adjusters DW abused used the wrong end of a socket (since those are square) might be worth investigating for yourself

[egg]

Yep, I did watch all the Invacar vids, but a re-visit wouldn't hurt.

 

No progress on an ignition key yet - there are no markings to go by on the top of the barrel.

 

I'll have another look at the wiring.

 

Oh, definitely need new handbrake cables (if such a vehicle really needs a handbrake!).

[1970mgb]

I'm Dez's friend in the US-I DID order bullet connectors from the UK

 

I wasn't happy with anything I could find state-side, so ended up buying a few dozen solder-type connectors along with a couple dozen single sleeves and a dozen double sleeves. I bought them on Ebay, and I THINK from a guy who mostly specialized in Triumph motorcycle parts.

 

Moss sells them, but they will only sell as part of a full kit and they are $$$. I had to go through a bit of trial and error to be able to solder them well, too. There's a lot of thermal mass you need to overcome in them, and anything you might hold them in can make for an even bigger heatsink to overcome. My go-to method has become to tin the wires, fill the inside of the bullet with solder(the latter is a lot easier if I'm using a 100+ W solder gun to do it), then remelting the solder inside the bullet and shoving the tinned wire through it. Done right, the end of the wire will stick out the end of the bullet, where it can be trimmed back flush.

[RobT]

That was a good day overall, some progress made with a bit of 'leave it till next time' jobs. Shame we couldn't get the plug out. The remonstrating fluid met it's match there, and I didn't want to force it too much (not my project after all!).

 

Whilst egg went off to buy lunch I went all arty farty.

 

 

 

The seat base was removed fairly easily, but this securing pin for the sliding base just wouldn't budge. Not sure if heat will help, or just continued soaking in fluid.

 

 

The above wasn't just random fiddling, having the base off has improved access to the controls box and other stuff. Floor is a bit frilly in places, but MoT exempt m8 so whatevs.

[egg]

Like the pics!

 

Since I've been home, managed to get the air filter apart

 

[plasticvandan]

A bit of blowtorch action will free it all off I suspect

[LightBulbFun]

That was a good day overall, some progress made with a bit of 'leave it till next time' jobs. Shame we couldn't get the plug out. The remonstrating fluid met it's match there, and I didn't want to force it too much (not my project after all!).

 

Whilst egg went off to buy lunch I went all arty farty.

 

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The seat base was removed fairly easily, but this securing pin for the sliding base just wouldn't budge. Not sure if heat will help, or just continued soaking in fluid.

 

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The above wasn't just random fiddling, having the base off has improved access to the controls box and other stuff. Floor is a bit frilly in places, but MoT exempt m8 so whatevs.

 

those are some great shots especially the first one (I feel like that one will need replicating once she is on the road and has something resembling an A pillar/windscreen )

 

 

 

Like the pics!

 

Since I've been home, managed to get the air filter apart

 

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quick wipe over with some Brasso and she'll be reet* 

 

quick edit: has there been any more luck in regards to finding the reg via the chassis number?

 

(especially given we have a rough idea what it might start with on the V5 thanks to DW checking his   either INV or 1NV )

[egg]

No more progress - I think Lanciamatt will try again tomorrow. So, there are several possible ways of finding out from Stuart the ICR or through the VIN!

[somewhatfoolish]

That was a good day overall, some progress made with a bit of 'leave it till next time' jobs. Shame we couldn't get the plug out. The remonstrating fluid met it's match there, and I didn't want to force it too much (not my project after all!).

 

Whilst egg went off to buy lunch I went all arty farty.

 

20190217_130851.jpg

 

20190217_130616.jpg

 

The seat base was removed fairly easily, but this securing pin for the sliding base just wouldn't budge. Not sure if heat will help, or just continued soaking in fluid.

 

20190217_142436.jpg

 

The above wasn't just random fiddling, having the base off has improved access to the controls box and other stuff. Floor is a bit frilly in places, but MoT exempt m8 so whatevs.

A rattlegun may be the answer to the plug, shock/impulse being more use than brute force, especially if the cylinder head is heated beforehand; similarly an air hammer applied to the seat securing pin may yield results if goop doesn't give results.