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Apologies if this has already been mentioned, but what sort of electrical system did/does this have? I assume there must be one to power the reversing camera, and I guess lights as well although maybe back in the day they were acetylene?

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They either had nothing or a 6 volt dynamo which was enough to just about provide power to side and tail lamps. Headlamps, if fitted, were often acetylene because the 6 volt headlamps weren't much cop. We drive on the road at night a fair bit so we need decent lamps including brake lights. We run a low speed 12 volt alternator tucked away in a box to keep things looking right and a couple of butch batteries. 

 

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Just a couple of happy snaps. We needed a photograph of the waggon to accompany the application for the registration so a load of bits got slapped on to make it look more finished. Just thought you might like to see it looking vaguely nearly there.

Windscreens in, lamps sort of on, front wings perched in place and looking somewhere near complete. The body trims are partially missing because I'd taken them all off and was epoxying them back in place at the time. The lamps are Lucas King of the Road shells and bezels with modern sealed beam units grafted in. They don't look quite right but old solenoid dip lamps are pretty much useless on the road and you really need to see what the road is doing in this thing. The side lights which are mounted where they are meant to be beside the windscreens but they have orange LED bulbs in them and act as the indicators. Side lamps are now in the headlamps.

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And from the other side - a pair of Sentinels. Note the number plate now fitted to the front. We just don't know what is going to be painted on it yet. 

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And as things get closer to finished the jobs to do list gets longer. Once this lot is ticked off it should be hey ho for the open road. 

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Getting there...

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7 hours ago, JimH said:

Note the number plate now fitted to the front. We just don't know what is going to be painted on it yet. 

this is genuinely going to be quite exciting for me because the DVLA are almost at the end of their age related series for 1930 and older vehicles

they are currently up to BF9941 and I dont know what will come next!

as the only 2 letter 4 number series left un-issued as far as I am aware is Essex's WC and BF1001-BF4000 has yet to be issued so I wonder what the DVLA will do

thus depending on when the Sentinel gets a suitable mark allocated to it it may be the first of a new series, and answer a long standing question I have had :) 

if they do issue the first half of BF finally it will probably be from BF1001 onwards as BF1 to BF1000 has been held for DVLA auction issue

and checking just now it looks like WC1-1000 has also been reserved for DVLA auction issue, so if they decide to issue that instead it will be from WC1001 onwards

(I do wonder what happens when they do finally run out of age related marks for 1930 and older vehicles!)

 

unless of course your V765 for a genuine period registration mark rather then just an age related mark, in which case nothing I said above is relevant LOL

(but still very exciting to hear your at the registration stage and to see it edging close to completion/the road :) )

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10 hours ago, LightBulbFun said:

this is genuinely going to be quite exciting for me because the DVLA are almost at the end of their age related series for 1930 and older vehicles

they are currently up to BF9941 and I dont know what will come next!

as the only 2 letter 4 number series left un-issued as far as I am aware is Essex's WC and BF1001-BF4000 has yet to be issued so I wonder what the DVLA will do

thus depending on when the Sentinel gets a suitable mark allocated to it it may be the first of a new series, and answer a long standing question I have had :) 

if they do issue the first half of BF finally it will probably be from BF1001 onwards as BF1 to BF1000 has been held for DVLA auction issue

and checking just now it looks like WC1-1000 has also been reserved for DVLA auction issue, so if they decide to issue that instead it will be from WC1001 onwards

(I do wonder what happens when they do finally run out of age related marks for 1930 and older vehicles!)

 

unless of course your V765 for a genuine period registration mark rather then just an age related mark, in which case nothing I said above is relevant LOL

(but still very exciting to hear your at the registration stage and to see it edging close to completion/the road :) )

We had three age related plates issued in the past DS 7206, SV5525 and 163 XUP. I didn't mind DS or XUP but I hated the SV one for some reason. Either BF or WC would be good with me.

However, the initial attempt will be to retrieve the plate that was connected to the engine and transmission unit (GD 9834). We feel that we have put a reasonably plausible argument together (and much better than some of the downright blatant frauds that have gone on recently) so fingers crossed and all that. 

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11 hours ago, JimH said:

We had three age related plates issued in the past DS 7206, SV5525 and 163 XUP. I didn't mind DS or XUP but I hated the SV one for some reason. Either BF or WC would be good with me.

However, the initial attempt will be to retrieve the plate that was connected to the engine and transmission unit (GD 9834). We feel that we have put a reasonably plausible argument together (and much better than some of the downright blatant frauds that have gone on recently) so fingers crossed and all that. 

Just out of interest how on earth did you manage to track that info down or did records still exist of what wagons got broken up by who and you worked it out that way?

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11 hours ago, DodgeRover said:

Just out of interest how on earth did you manage to track that info down or did records still exist of what wagons got broken up by who and you worked it out that way?

There were a few people who bought a fair few of these things as scrappers and they just sort of hung around in their yards. In this one's case there were four wrecks bought by a business and just sat around. Three of the four got saved and the fourth - our one - had the engine bought by Mr Keeley as a spare and the rest went in the melting pot. We have one photograph of GD 9834 taken in the 1950s in the yard prior to being broken up still in its Taroads livery (if it can be called that) who was the last commercial user of the waggon. There are also a few people who are able to recall the waggon in the yard with the others. 

After that you are struggling  - waggon numbers only appeared on a pair of brass plates bolted to the cab and maker's marks on parts was virtually unheard of with the exception of the odd pattern ID number which appears on a tiny handful of components. All you can hope for is that at some point in its working life someone bashed some identifying marks on some part they were working on. In the case of Sentinels they had a reasonably extensive regional workshop network (for the time) so the odds of a waggon finding its way into a shed where there were lots of other Sentinels was quite high. The photo (which I can't find at the moment - someone has been sorting folders out) shows GD 9834 sitting on pneumatics which was a conversions most commonly carried out by Sentinel or their agents. The upshot of this is that you are in with a decent chance of finding waggon number stamps on a bit of the engine or transmission. Fortunately we found a pair of waggon number marks in old style stamps on the main bearing housings. 

So, not exactly a watertight case but very much more watertight that some that have gone on recently involving little bits of boilers that were found in woods. Ho hum.

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10 hours ago, motorpunk said:

@JimH - looking good! 
 

My Dad is a (retired) signwriter who can also do gold leaf. If you need a hand on that front I could put you in touch.

Some pics here - https://www.motorpunk.co.uk/articles/traditional-signwriting/

Cheers for that. At he moment we have someone penciled in for next year (we want to test the body on the road for a bit before it gets money spent on paint and letters) to do the signwriting but if that falls though I'll get back to you. 

Apparently this one won't be done in leaf after we got the quote for the acres of leaf that it would have needed. 

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