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[GeorgeB]

Just now, Tadhg Tiogar said:

I do.

Doesn't change the fact that you're in need of a thorough shagging, darling.

When shall we meet? And if it's to be thorough you'd better bring the horse.

[SiC]

31 minutes ago, Mrsbrownnova said:

Ah right, so it’s more about in some way catching mods out rather than being offended about a word. Got ya. Give yourself a shiney. 

Nope nope nope. See my post above in reply to your other half. 

 

16 minutes ago, brownnova said:

I messaged privately as more often than not the result of doing dirty laundry in public like this is to simply cause more discord and things to spiral unnecessarily. Which is exactly what has happened. I think we are all fed up of threads being derailed in this way. 

No offence was intended, I apologise if anyone was offended. I won’t use the term again as I now it has been pointed out to me how it could cause offence.

Let’s get back to talking cars... which is the point of AS. 

The reason it's spiraled is because of the combination of the lack of apology from my original post. If there was one when you did reply then things would have petered out. I was entirely expecting your response to have been a proper apology.

Surely when I called you out on it being offensive, if you weren't aware of the connotations, you googled the word to see what it actually meant?

Thread derailed? This thread is 2520 pages long. No one is going to go back in it unless rooting for history or dirt (e.g. a potential future employer).

 

14 minutes ago, Talbot said:

Wow.  You've got that every kind of wrong.

If someone were to say "an Irish Traveller" did X or Y, then that's just a statement of fact.  No more offensive than saying "I was cut up by an Audi driver today".  

Eh? That's a strawman retort. Audi drivers aren't a race, skin colour, ethnic group.

14 minutes ago, Talbot said:

What you appear to have an issue with is the use of the word "Pikey", which as I stated about a million posts ago now, is simply a different word used to describe a person of the turnpike.. a "pikey".

Don't give me that bollocks. We all know the common used meaning of that word is and how it was used. Even the very first result on Google makes it clear what that word means in common use in 2021. They even put in clear bold text that it is offensive.

[Tadhg Tiogar]

Just now, GeorgeB said:

When shall we meet? And if it's to be thorough you'd better bring the horse.

When Birnam Wood comes to High Dunsinane, dear.

[GeorgeB]

2 minutes ago, loserone said:

Did you never do anything good at school Ben?

Not that I remember,  Bob.

[wuvvum]

Fuck me, this forum is looking more and more like Twitter every day.  Really don't blame Bo11ox for sacking it off.

[High Jetter]

2 minutes ago, GeorgeB said:

Not that I remember,  Bob.

If you haven't yet been banned, what exactly is your interest in Autoshite?

[chancer]

34 minutes ago, GeorgeB said:

If you don't like the posts in this thread don't read them.

How do we know we dont like the posts until we read them though 🤔 

[GeorgeB]

3 minutes ago, Tadhg Tiogar said:

When Birnam Wood comes to High Dunsinane, dear.

I'll tie a branch to my head tomorrow. So where shall we meet?

[Tadhg Tiogar]

1 minute ago, wuvvum said:

Fuck me, this forum is looking more and more like Twitter every day.  Really don't blame Bo11ox for sacking it off.

I'm only surprised @brownnovahasn't been able to impose a Forum ban on GeorginaB. Nowt so queer as folk.

*shrugs*

[GeorgeB]

1 minute ago, High Jetter said:

If you haven't yet been banned, what exactly is your interest in Autoshite?

Why do you ask?

[GeorgeB]

1 minute ago, Tadhg Tiogar said:

I'm only surprised @brownnovahasn't been able to impose a Forum ban on GeorginaB. Nowt so queer as folk.

*shrugs*

What has been done to warrant a ban?

[Joey spud]

11 minutes ago, brownnova said:

I messaged privately as more often than not the result of doing dirty laundry in public like this is to simply cause more discord and things to spiral unnecessarily. Which is exactly what has happened. I think we are all fed up of threads being derailed in this way. 

No offence was intended, I apologise if anyone was offended. I won’t use the term again as I now it has been pointed out to me how it could cause offence.

Let’s get back to talking cars... which is the point of AS. 

I wasn't offended does that make me a ''wrong un'' too ?

This is going to sound a bit ''Mums Net'' but why can't people just be nice to each other ?

Instead of outting someone as a bad egg and heaping misery on them all evening why not just privately message them if you are that upset.

Honestly life is too short Guys..

[SiC]

6 minutes ago, HarmonicCheeseburger said:

 

It's a word. GROW THE FUCK UP

 

It's been used on this forum a LOT of times :

https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3A+autoshite.com+pikey&oq=site%3A+autoshite.com+pikey&aqs=chrome..69i57j69i58.3993j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

And only now it's a problem? what happened did your wife refuse to give you jollies and you need to pout?

Far bigger and more substantial problems then a word in this world. 

Ignoring and putting the crass person attacks aside...

M*ng has been used extensively on here too:

https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Aautoshite.com+mong&oq=site%3Aautoshite.com+mong

Does that mean it's ok now to use? 

[Tadhg Tiogar]

2 minutes ago, High Jetter said:

If you haven't yet been banned, what exactly is your interest in Autoshite?

Disruption?

[Tadhg Tiogar]

Just now, GeorgeB said:

What has been done to warrant a ban?

All your previous posts?

[GeorgeB]

Just now, Tadhg Tiogar said:

All your previous posts?

Please be more specific.

A lot of my posts are trying to help people or make them laugh.

Which ones warrant a ban?

[Tadhg Tiogar]

1 minute ago, GeorgeB said:

Please be more specific.

A lot of my posts are trying to help people or make them laugh.

Which ones warrant a ban?

All of them. None of them seem to be particularly making people laugh. What you are doing quite effectively is demonstrate to all and sundry your natural ability to pick a fight with anyone and everyone. The more fronts you open up for yourself, the better you like it.

The real icing on the cake would be if @Nicola Hwere to join forces.

[GeorgeB]

Just now, Tadhg Tiogar said:

All of them. None of them seem to be particularly making people laugh. What you are doing quite effectively is demonstrate to all and sundry your natural ability to pick a fight with anyone and everyone. The more fronts you open up for yourself, the better you like it.

The real icing on the cake would be if @Nicola Hwere to join forces.

You need to look through all my posts before you cast aspersions.

[Tadhg Tiogar]

Just now, GeorgeB said:

You need to look through all my posts before you cast aspersions.

I have. Casting aspersions is effectively what you're doing, so it's appropriate the same be done to you.

[HMC]

Dodging everything else, I sense it may be a round about push back against overt moderation. If certain rules are implemented, they can and should be applicable universally. Without the rules there would be no pushback?

Iam probably wrong. I’m more of a bemused bystander these days.

[wuvvum]

Just now, HMC said:

I’m more of a bemused bystander these days.

Probably the safest place to be at the moment.

[GeorgeB]

6 minutes ago, Tadhg Tiogar said:

I have.

So none of them add anything to the site?

They all break the forum rules?

 

[sdkrc]

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Some decent posts in amongst the shite, namely @Split_Pin starting the Cav saving process 

[davehedgehog31]

On 3/29/2021 at 4:28 PM, brownnova said:

pikey

That ought to have covered it. 

[SiC]

It all blown up so much that my original post seemed have been forgotten:

17 hours ago, SiC said:

I know you live in rural Wales but that is a rather offensive racist ethnic slur. I expect much better from a teacher, let alone a mod.

Just two sentences appears to have caused this. But why?

Ok it is a bit narky with the rural Wales jab, but at the same time I clearly pointed out it was a offensive term as an informational point. No need to have this go to PM. Not least that others will perhaps be better informed on the word.

Maybe even prevent them getting into hot water in their job in the future?

Yes I was disappointed that it was used by brownnova. Given he is a teacher and a moderator, I hold him in higher regard than many others. As said earlier, using a slang word for an ethnic group should be ringing alarm bells, to go at least check its context.

Anyway the reply I got was:

13 hours ago, brownnova said:

Thank you for educating me... as your post appears to suggest, we haven’t got the latest standards of political correctness here in “rural Wales” (We’ve only just got double glazing and inside plumbing here) so it was unbeknownst to me that the word may cause you offence on behalf of the travelling community. 
What we lack in political correctness we do make up for in 6 nations titles though. 

This surprised me as there was no apology in this. Plus it certainly reads with a sarcastic tone. Especially in reference that it caused me offence on behalf of a community.

Almost feels like I hit a nerve with the rural Wales jibe?

9 hours ago, Joey spud said:

I wasn't offended does that make me a ''wrong un'' too ?
This is going to sound a bit ''Mums Net'' but why can't people just be nice to each other ?

This was a primary point of my original post and the reason of point it out. Why can't we just be nice to other groups of people, instead of using slurs against them?

9 hours ago, Joey spud said:

Instead of outting someone as a bad egg and heaping misery on them all evening why not just privately message them if you are that upset.

Certainly wasn't my intention of outing brownnova as a bad egg. Disappointed with the egg maybe, but certainly not bad. Sorry if it seems that way.

Somehow this has all got blown up further than it should have. I also seem to have offended people on that I don't think we should be nasty to complete ethnic groups?

Are people offended by me being disappointed in brownnova? Or are people offended by me pointing out a ethnic slur that others may (and evidently) not aware of?

[GeorgeB]

1 minute ago, SiC said:

This surprised me as there was no apology in this. Plus it certainly reads with a sarcastic tone. Especially in reference that it caused me offence on behalf of a community.
 

Let's leave it now.

He has eventually apologised.

[SiC]

☝️ Bens post above seems to imply we're working together on an agenda.

We're not.

He has his own beef with the moderators. That's very separate to me.

All I want is people to be nice to others. That includes other groups that may not be on this forum. 

I don't call other groups by offensive slurs and I expect others to do the same. Of course some do. I will still usually call out on that when I see it and I'll give a strong response to such.

Thats just me. 🤷‍♂️

[brownnova]

11 minutes ago, SiC said:

It all blown up so much that my original post seemed have been forgotten:

Just two sentences appears to have caused this. But why?

Ok it is a bit narky with the rural Wales jab, but at the same time I clearly pointed out it was a offensive term as an informational point. No need to have this go to PM. Not least that others will perhaps be better informed on the word.

Maybe even prevent them getting into hot water in their job in the future?

Yes I was disappointed that it was used by brownnova. Given he is a teacher and a moderator, I hold him in higher regard than many others. As said earlier, using a slang word for an ethnic group should be ringing alarm bells, to go at least check its context.

Anyway the reply I got was:

This surprised me as there was no apology in this. Plus it certainly reads with a sarcastic tone. Especially in reference that it caused me offence on behalf of a community.

Almost feels like I hit a nerve with the rural Wales jibe?

 

 

 

 

This was a primary point of my original post and the reason of point it out. Why can't we just be nice to other groups of people, instead of using slurs against them?

 

 

Certainly wasn't my intention of outing brownnova as a bad egg. Disappointed with the egg maybe, but certainly not bad. Sorry if it seems that way.

Somehow this has all got blown up further than it should have. I also seem to have offended people too?

Are people offended by me being disappointed in brownnova? Or are people offended by me pointing out a ethnic slur that others may (and evidently) not aware of?

 

Tbh, my initial reply was light heartedly sarcastic, I hadn’t grasped the depth of your point, I was busy in family life, in the garden with the kids. 

When I did see the depth of the point I PM’d you straight away to try and clear it up. I’ve  quoted below as it is still unread. 

2 hours ago, brownnova said:

Hi, 

I seem to have caused you some discomfort with the word Pikey, I should think by now it’d be quite obvious that I have never considered the term racist before, and no one has ever said that it is to me.... if you think I would use it if I considered it racist then I’m surprised. 

Anyway I have no intention of falling out about this, but wanted to make it very clear that no offence is meant, and if it is indeed an undesirable term I shan’t use it in future.

Just wanted to clear that up. 
Thanks

Those who actually know me, will know that racist is far from me. The word in question has simply been a jokey term of common parlance for years to me for anyone who comes and offers to buy cars off your drive, or tarmac your drive etc. In an unsolicited way. 

There it is.

I totally agree with your sentiment about showing respect. Without intention I failed to do that, my bad. 

Can we please move on now. 

 

[SiC]

33 minutes ago, brownnova said:

Tbh, my initial reply was light heartedly sarcastic, I hadn’t grasped the depth of your point, I was busy in family life, in the garden with the kids. 

When I did see the depth of the point I PM’d you straight away to try and clear it up. I’ve  quoted below as it is still unread. 

Those who actually know me, will know that racist is far from me. The word in question has simply been a jokey term of common parlance for years to me for anyone who comes and offers to buy cars off your drive, or tarmac your drive etc. In an unsolicited way. 

There it is.

I totally agree with your sentiment about showing respect. Without intention I failed to do that, my bad. 

Can we please move on now. 

Again, hence why my surprise (verging on shock) at your original post as from your previous posts on here you didn't seem that way. I get what you say above and understand that the offensive nature of it wasn't in your mental model of that word. However my mental model of the word struggled to comprehend that others may not have known its offensive, even though the evidence in front of me appeared to contradict that model (still is struggling and churning round my head tbh). Thus for me , it appeared totally out of character and out of keeping with your nature.

I.e. shock 😲 and mind blown 🤯

If anything at least with this whole episode many other know to use that word carefully. The world is now changing fast on what is right and what is wrong, what is acceptable and what is not. We may not all agree on it or even want it to change, but if you want to stay out of trouble (or in your job) then it's a good idea to know where the shifting sand line now is. 

Remember all, this is a public forum that is not only visible to others but also catalogued. There is a very good chance our posts on here will be visible and stored till we shuffle our mortal coil. 

👇👇 Anyway, here is my line on this and any quotes above it will be not be responded to.

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Weather was stonking hot today wasn't it? ☀️

[Datsuncog]

Crumbs, getting a full-on Donald Glover vibe here...

Anyway, just dropped by to say that I finally fixed all my thumbnail photos in the Irish Scrappie thread after the forum switchover shrank them, so if anyone wants to look at some pictures of utterly banjaxed 50s/ 60s /70s Vauxhalls and the like, fill your boots.

Kthanksbai.