Posh crap. Jag X type 2.0d purchased

[Lankytim]

Hi shitters,

 

I was recently cruising my preferred online auction site while at work and ended up bidding on and winning this Jag X type (which I didn't particularly want but you know how it goes)

 

 

 

 

The first obstacle was the fact that it was in Essex, and I'm in Stoke on Trent. I ruled out an A framing mission as this X type would be too big to drag behind my Multipla so distinguished shiter Lord Sterling stepped into the breach and trade plated the thing home for me (these are his photos, in fact)

 

This Jag seemed to have a fairly decently history, 2 owners from new, last owner 8 years who spent a fortune on it including a new DMF and clutch last year, along with a set of tyres. 182k on the clock but full jag history up to 120 then a mix of independents and home servicing. 10 months MOT too. Two problems I knew about, a clonk from the rear (despite nearly all the rear suspension being replaced) and an occasional tendency to go into limp mode, which can be reset by flicking the ignition on and off without stopping the car. 

 

"The occasional limp issue" transpired to mean "it's in limp mode" and poor LS had to take a sedate drive home with reduced power. I've since removed and decoked the EGR valve with Mr Muscle and it's back to being occasionally in limp, i.e every 0.5 miles or so, but it can be reset with the "flicking the ignition on and off" trick" It needs it's codes read and a thorough examination I think.

 

It's also lumpy and a bit smokey on start up, Maybe EGR related or maybe injectors. It had all the injectors tested a couple of years ago and had one replaced, maybe the other three are now fooked. 

 

A bigger issue is the sills are pretty crunchy. It was advertised as being rust free and being a 2005 model I thought it had dodged the rot issues that plagued earlier models but alas a good push with a thumb has perforated both sides. How Citroens and Fords of the era seem to have the rust bug beaten but manufacturers like Jaguar and Mercedes are into sills baffles me. I;m not sure if it's worth repairing. New sills are available but the inner structure can suffer badly making repair a lot of effort. The car was cheap so I'm not overly distressed. it's still annoying though.

 

 

Overall though, this Jagdeo is pretty sweet. The tan interior is lovely, the black bodywork is arrow straight with unmarked bumpers and when it's not in limp mode it's fast. Although these X types are ford based they still look and feel like a Jaguar, and just sitting in it feels a little special. I love it. 

 

Question is do I run it for it's 10 months of MOT and scrap it or do I have the sills fixed?

 

 

[SiC]

Do they rust from the backside or from the outside in? Could it be the time to get rust remedy over it and underseal.

[Partridge]

I'd run it for 9 months and see how you feel before deciding what to do with the grot. I've made the mistake of sinking money into Jags and then getting rid of them a few months later, and with something worthless as an X-Type I reckon you'd struggle.

 

I agree that it would be a shame to scrap it, as it really does look straight though.

[Partridge]

Do they rust from the backside or from the outside in? Could it be the time to get rust remedy over it and underseal.

From the inside out. The plastic sill covers normally hide the worst of it.

[bigstraight6]

Blimey, the sills on my 71 Triumph 2000 (British Leyland era) are much better than that....

[SiC]

Blimey, the sills on my 71 Triumph 2000 (British Leyland era) are much better than that....

Likewise, my '74 MGB GT is too!

[Guest]

Citroens and Fords of this age DO rust- Picasso's and Ka especially, but the X-Type seems to have very badly designed sills which rot horrendously at the FRONT. Sometimes it's just outwith the 30cm MOT criteria, some I've seen where it has spread inward to near enough the trans tunnel.  Rather odd.

[Lankytim]

Citroens and Fords of this age DO rust- Picasso's and Ka especially, but the X-Type seems to have very badly designed sills which rot horrendously at the FRONT. Sometimes it's just outwith the 30cm MOT criteria, some I've seen where it has spread inward to near enough the trans tunnel.  Rather odd.

 

Ah, of course you're right. I was thinking of C5's and Focuii, they seem to be pretty impervious to rust but a "premium" manufacturer like Jaguar is knocking out cars that have massive grot issues. I think it was down to poor drainage on early models. 

I really need to have it up in the air to have a good look around before committing to anything. Members of the Facebook X type group rave about the type but most seem to have sunk a fair amount of cash into their cars to keep them going. Sill repairs appear to be part and parcel of X type ownership.

 

The sills rust from the inside out, the bubbling you can see means the metal is now weetabix. Mine seem to be more rusty towards the rear but I imagine the fronts will be hanging too.

[Al Bundy]

 

Just had to repair this s type 2006,this also had repairs to the inner sill,rest of the car was mint

[sierraman]

Run it till the test is out. I wouldn’t spend a shilling between now and then if I could help it. The running rough, clag and the flashing glow plug light are usually signs the injectors are on their way out, I’m not saying that’s a definite but it’s fairly likely.

 

If it lasts the 9 months then I’d lash some thick underseal over the grot and hope it’s not holed come MOT time. If it is just patch it over.

 

I’d imagine a more immediate problem is the fuelling issue, I’d look a bit deeper into that, try a few cheap simple things first, cam sensor, EGR, fuel pressure etc. Beyond that if it’s injectors or the turbo I’d fuck it off it’s not worth the agg, you can stick a used injector in but it’s a lottery.

[Lord Sterling]

Lol, this car saved me from what was going to be a farcical day...

 

Last week I told the office to make sure they could 'end' me in or around East London. However I ended up there earlier than I wanted to on Wednesday. As work was becoming ever more sparse I didn't trust the office to give me any work back towards East London as my job on Thursday would have ended me in Gloucestershire.

 

Anyhow, whilst in East London on Wednesday my next job was to pick up a hire car, pick up another colleague and head towards Reading for the morning, I asked my colleague if we could swing by and pick up the Jag which he was easy about. However upon arriving at the hire car place I was told no reservations had been made in my name. A phone call to the office revealed a load of mess. The office didn't seem to know what was going on and whether the third-party company we use had made the reservation, as 3pm was going onto 4pm and knowing about London traffic I told them not to worry about hire cars, I had access to a car down the road, I'd pick up this car and my colleague and drop him to a hotel and go home myself with the Jag.

 

The seller only being a couple of miles away came and picked me up from the car hire place and brought me over to the Jag. After paperwork, a small chat and a handshake, off I went to fill up with some Diesel and make my way towards my colleague...

 

 

The drive was glacial in limp mode, it had no power, but I loved everything else about it, it's looks, drive, the layout. Yes Ok it's a few years old but for a few hundred £notes it was a bargain.

 

Despite "being" a Mondeo underneath and having an engine that sounded more at home in a Transit than a Jag this car felt nothing like a Ford, the only way you'd know is through the Ford-style key.

 

I eventually made it home at around 10pm but didn't have any work the next day so I took the Jag for a small spin where it met it's bigger brother, the S-Type;

 

 

I took on Friday over to Stoke on Trent where I spotted FordPerv heading East on the A500.

 

I agree with the sentiments. Run it until the test runs out and see how you feel. I reckon tyese are great cars and it certainly drove well apart from the limp mode and a bit of knock from the rear.

[stuboy]

these are nice motors ...but im a S type lover..

[Lankytim]

Never really liked the idea of S types, but then I never thought I’d get an X type. They’re all getting mega mega cheap and are slowly getting a pub landlord image so I can’t rule one out.

[Cavcraft]

It might be a Mondeo in a Matalan suit, but defo another vote for run it for as long as you can.

[They_all_do_that_sir]

Being Mondeo underneath isn't a bad thing IMO.

 

It's a shame they rot so badly mind. Are the S-types as bad for rust?

 

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[Bren]

Split boost pipe possibly causing limp mode?

Enjoy without spending on it in case it gets fragged.

[Formula Autos]

Split boost pipe possibly causing limp mode?

Enjoy without spending on it in case it gets fragged.

Quite possibly. I've had both a Mk 3 Mondeo and an Xtype with this engine that both went into limp home mode like this. In the case of the Mondeo I fixed the slit pipe with gaffer tape, meaning to fix it later, forgot about it as it ran fine. The gaffer tape repair lasted nearly two years before failing again. With the Jag though it was the wiring to the injectors that was borked.

 

Fingers crossed that gaffer tape is the solution. Looks a nice, if a little crusty, car. Fannying about with injectors and the like soon gets expensive though.

[D Spares & Tyres]

Hey Mo, you should have popped in for a cuppa, Lower St Garage is 50 yds from my house!

[NorfolkNWeigh]

These have grown on me and a late dark colour one like this has a gravitas about it that the Insignia clone XE or XF could never match , however good they might be to drive.

 

Another vote for forgetting about the sills until MOT time, 10 months is a long time and if you can sort out your limpness problem, enjoy it for 8 months then whack it back on eBay .

[Mr_Bo11ox]

If there's one thing these don't have (apart from adequately ventilated sills) it's 'gravitas'!!!

[They_all_do_that_sir]

In the right spec they are a very nice car. A friend of a friend has an estate in grey with the bigger wheels and full cow. Its actually a rather nice looking thing.

 

Are these based on mondeo mk2 or 3?

[sierraman]

Mk3.

[AMC Rebel]

If there's one thing these don't have (apart from adequately ventilated sills) it's 'gravitas'!!!

WTF is gravitas in a car anyway?  The Noisy white Maserati that the bloke dropping his sprog off at my daughter's school this morning parked on the yellow zig-zags?  No thanks.

[They_all_do_that_sir]

WTF is gravitas in a car anyway?  The Noisy white Maserati that the bloke dropping his sprog off at my daughter's school this morning parked on the yellow zig-zags?  No thanks.

 

I think Gravitas is something of a hangover from the 90s. Nowadays status is all white bling but in the 90's it would have been more Alan Partridge or Mrs. Bucket, big Rover or German saloon 

[oldcars]

Most of my fleet are more Dignitas that Gravitas.

[cpjitservices]

Hmmmm I have driven a few of these, the 2.0 engine, thats the same one in the Mondeo puts me off majorly. I prefer and will always prefer the S Type, but with the modern X Type interior. 

 

The X Type is nice, if you can find a nice petrol version of lowish miles say 80k or so, they do rot, though the S Type seems to be better at not rotting? I've seen some pretty dreadful X Types in terms of rust.

 

However, that being said - they do look nice! if you like it that all that matters.

 

Run it for 10, then move it along.

[Guest]

Spotted this on facebook earlier..

 

 

 

 

[rantingYoof]

Most. To do with how water is somehow collected on the actual sills.

 

Massively frustrating as I'd crawl all over one otherwise, obviously.

 

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[Rave]

I gather that the problem is that Jag took a Mondeo body in white from Genk, and then tacked some sill covers on*. Mondeos don't generally suffer from sill rot at all.

 

*Amongst a lot of other things, I know that only 20% of parts are common between the two cars.

[The Reverend Bluejeans]

 

 

Question is do I run it for it's 10 months of MOT and scrap it or do I run it for it's 10 months of MOT and scrap it?

 

 

Definitely the former. Do not spend a penny on this. Rotten X Trype with running issues.

 

You've seen the lease car adverts '10'000 miles P.A no maintenance'. Pretend it's lease car. You are effectively leasing it from Loveyoulongtime Foundries Inc.