40 years Rolling MOT exemption is Go!

[wuvvum]

Renault 6 is now road legal.      Although for some reason (never actually spotted this before) it's on the V5C as 845cc, which is obviously balls - the TL was 1108cc as standard in 1972.  Not sure if I can really be arsed to try and get it changed though.

 

Haven't done the Volvo yet as I don't appear to have a current V5C for it, only the old blue one, so I'll have to do that at the PO with the green slip and a V112 I think.

[The Old Bloke Next Door]

To try this, i just online "taxed" a 1971 cortina that hasnt existed for 15 years but i still have the logbook for. Its not insured, and obviously has had no MOT since 2003, yet its now road legal. Absolutely batshit.

 

Best get it insured then.

[rickvw72]

No option for modified, just radically altered really.

The bugs on its original shell, chassis, axles, and the same engine and gearbox type.

Only really altered if a custom chassis, different axles etc which will include most hot rods and customs I suspect.

 

Plus who really knows a 44 year old cars got the wrong wings, paintwork etc. The alloys are period correct too.

[rickvw72]

Too add. The bugs been continuously insured since 1999, that’s why I tried it.

It’s also no shed, but has been in storage last couple of years, so was well out of test.

I thought the tax website checked go insurance?

[Six-cylinder]

Has anybody found a way on line to change taxation class from Private/light goods to Historic?

 

I have only found instructions for taxing it at a post office.

 

My 1974 Peugeot is in a trim shop having a new hood, carpets and some leather seat repairs so I thought I would sort the tax, but system wants to charge me for it.

[Saabnut]

Has anybody found a way on line to change taxation class from Private/light goods to Historic?

 

I have only found instructions for taxing it at a post office.

 

My 1974 Peugeot is in a trim shop having a new hood, carpets and some leather seat repairs so I thought I would sort the tax, but system wants to charge me for it.

Taxation class changes have to be done at a PO, or by sending the V5c to DVLA. There are no other options now the local offices are gone.

[Faker]

This.

 

The worst they could do is grass you up to the rozzers but how many garages are going to be arsed doing that. Essentially the new fail states will just be used to scare people into thinking the car they've been driving with that fault for ages is suddenly 100% lethal so they shouldn't drive it again and have it fixed there asap for all the monies...

MOT centres in norn iron are government run, with examiners being civil servants. If a vehicle fails an mot, and it's classed as being dangerous, the examiner can issue a prohibition notice, meaning you can't drive the car from the centre. If you were to drive from the centre you're immediately committing an offence of (knowingly) using a vehicle in dangerous condition - which can ultimately result in a prosecution for dangerous driving...

 

So.... can English mot garages - centres issue prohibitions? If they can then it's a simple nod to the plod with a copy of the fail sheet and copy of prohibition.

[lisbon_road]

Which one is that we can be fined for: taxed but not insured or insured but not taxed? I can never remember.

[dollywobbler]

Taxation class changes have to be done at a PO, or by sending the V5c to DVLA. There are no other options now the local offices are gone.

 

Yup. Changing the Invacars tax class was nae bother. Got the MOT, went to a Post Office with the logbook, they stamped it and gave me a receipt, the Invacar was now Historic class. Had to wait a while for the logbook, due to other changes (body type and engine size) but it was all very easy.

[Saabnut]

Which one is that we can be fined for: taxed but not insured or insured but not taxed? I can never remember.

 

You can be fined for taxed but not insured. Insured and no tax is fine, providing you have declared SORN

[CortinaDave]

Best get it insured then.

I'll be SORN-ing it again as soon as the websites have updated to show it as taxed, just to prove if it works. I did get a confirmation email though.

 

Plus its still registered to an address 100 miles away i was at at the time!

[captain_70s]

Doloshites now all historic'd up. Inculding the 1850HL as I wasn't paying enough attention and accidentally had both of them taxed at the same time as the class was changed... Will need to SORN that again when it's on the system.

 

Presumably now I have a receipt to say the Doloshite is "taxed" as historic and it's age renders it MOT exempt it should be legal to drive it?

[Eddie Honda]

Computer says no.

 

 

 

 

 

 

I obviously blew the system's mind by being in the wrong tax class. Academic really, given the state of it! Never mind, they MAY BE COMING TO GET ME...

[The Old Bloke Next Door]

I'll be SORN-ing it again as soon as the websites have updated to show it as taxed, just to prove if it works. I did get a confirmation email though.

 

Plus its still registered to an address 100 miles away i was at at the time!

 

 

My 109 is still showing as Sorn on DVLA site.

[busmansholiday]

I've just spent 45 minutes in the local Heron frozen food shop. The nice people behind the counter have taken my V5Cs for both the MGB GT's, which weren't listed as historic, or have been on the road for years, and changed them to historic status and taxed them. Result!!

The nice man also said that as long as they are in my garage, not on the public highway the continuous insurance doesn't apply.

 

And, what took the time was handing over the third V5, yes a blue old fashioned one for the Excelsior which has been in bits since 1983. He had to ring the DVLC about this as his computer terminal almost had a fit. Had cough up £25 for a new V5C but 'should' get that back as I haven't lost the V5C, just never had one. All I have to do is fix the bloody lot of them now!

[RayMK]

I thought that, if taxed, the continuous insurance requirement was applicable regardless of where you parked it.  If SORN is declared and the vehicle is parked on private property, insurance is not required.

[Conrad D. Conelrad]

Heron is her-wrong in this instance. SORN or insured, fines by post. 

[busmansholiday]

"The registered keeper of a vehicle that appears to be uninsured will be sent an Insurance Advisory Letter (IAL). This letter will advise them their vehicle appears to be uninsured and unless they take action they will receive a penalty from the DVLA.

 

Offenders face fines and seizure of their vehicles

If, after receiving an Insurance Advisory Letter (IAL), a registered keeper fails to comply with the advice set out in the letter they will face:

 

A fixed penalty notice of £100

Their vehicle being clamped, seized and disposed of

A court prosecution and a maximum fine of £1000."

 

I'll wait for the IAL before the next move

[Isaac Hunt]

And, what took the time was handing over the third V5, yes a blue old fashioned one for the Excelsior which has been in bits since 1983. He had to ring the DVLC about this as his computer terminal almost had a fit. Had cough up £25 for a new V5C but 'should' get that back as I haven't lost the V5C, just never had one!

Useful. Of course, in the days of the V5 Blue, one didn't have declare SORN and thus never got issued with a new style V5C. I've got a garaged motor which has been off the road on a blue V5 since before the SORN shite, I know, been busy with other stuff. It stands on slave wheels and tyres etc etc. It will need some minor recommissioning but it is in fine order. I might just send off the old V5 with a change of address and get a new V5C and then SORN it

[CortinaDave]

so my non existent car is now updated on my vehicle smart phone app saying its taxed, but MOT says "no information held by DVLA" , but has changed from red to green with a tick beside it as has the tax status,

 

Experiment over, ive sorned it again now in case they decide to send me a fine
 

[cros]

You've now got to remember to sorn a piece of paper every year unless you take it to a recyclers where you can tear it up and get them to issue a cistifticate of distruction.

[Isaac Hunt]

Once you have declared SORN it remains SORN until you re-tax.

 

It used to be that you renewed SORN every year.

 

This was one of the reasons I never traded a blue V5 for a V5C. By the time they dropped the the SORN every year shite, I couldn't be arsed to update to a V5C

[CortinaDave]

They changed it a few years ago so that once sorned once , you didnt need to sorn it again. Its annoying that theres no way to just declare a car scrapped like you used to be able to, and it will forever be in sorn limbo

[Isaac Hunt]

Once you have declared SORN it remains SORN until you re-tax.

 

It used to be that you renewed SORN every year.

 

This was one of the reasons I never traded a blue V5 for a V5C. By the time they dropped the the SORN every year shite, I couldn't be arsed to update to a V5C

[doug]

So is a motorcycle and sidecar "substantially changed"? Hope not as I have just taxed and moted it for free. Off for a wee hurl tomorrow.

[Talbot]

They changed it a few years ago so that once sorned once , you didnt need to sorn it again. Its annoying that theres no way to just declare a car scrapped like you used to be able to, and it will forever be in sorn limbo

The change has been made that only an authorised End Of Life operator (IE a scrappers or a weigh-in metal merchant) can declare scrap, which they don't even need the V5 for, just the VIN. If you are a private individual, you cannot declare the vehicle "broken up", even if you did it. Apparently there has been a massive increase in the number of "permanently exported" vehicles since that change ewas made. I wonder why....

[CortinaDave]

In fairness, most have been permanently exported to china... just in cube form

[Eddie Honda]

Useful. Of course, in the days of the V5 Blue, one didn't have declare SORN and thus never got issued with a new style V5C. I've got a garaged motor which has been off the road on a blue V5 since before the SORN shite, I know, been busy with other stuff. It stands on slave wheels and tyres etc etc. It will need some minor recommissioning but it is in fine order. I might just send off the old V5 with a change of address and get a new V5C and then SORN it

I chopped my old V5 Vehicle Registration Documents in at the time (as advised by the FBHVC 2002?) and was issued new blue V5C Certificates. Old ones returned with provided SAE and cover letter.

 

One car is still untaxed as pre-SORN. No keeper change and untaxed since 1992, so hasn't come into SORN. So just because a new doc was issued, didn't bring it into the SORN pool. Only taxing it would do that.

[The Old Bloke Next Door]

Has anyone had their insurer refuse to offer cover on a classic with no mot?. 

My tame mechanic says he's heard through the grape vine of some owners unable to insure a vehicle declared mot exempt.

[sierraman]

Probably the higher risk of an accident due to potential for dangerous brakes etc. Stuff that would be spotted during a test.