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Depends - are there any safety implications involved in something getting historic taxation class? In the same way as, y'know, getting rid of its annual safety inspection for ever?

The research from existing MOT exemptions and other countries too suggests (contrary to what would be common sense) that it doesn't decrease safety.
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The point will eventually be restricted access to the road for exempt/historic vehicles.

 

And who's going to stop me?

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I think its ridiculas that owners are left to determine if their car is safe, the mot is only a basic 1year check but they have equipment far beyond the average home mechanic or even proffesional.

 

You may use an excellant back street garage but they dont have brake testing rollers so couldnt tell you the balance of your braking system.

 

I didnt really agree that my rear indicators were not orange enough at my last mot but was very glad he spotted the antiroll bar touching a fixed brake pipe, I had checked the car over before its mot and am very lucky to have a ramp, but I did not spot this and it would have caused me a breakdown or serious accident if it had split whilst driving as I do most of my my driving on country winding roads so could have easily ended up in a ditch.

 

I know of many people with classics worth over £30K who get an advisory one year and complain it fails the next year on an item they were too tight to replace. Im afraid its just human nature to want to get away with more bills but as far as im concerned all my cars will continue to get an mot, i know this is not a guarantee of safety but at least a second pair of eyes have checked over my cars and repairs.

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The research from existing MOT exemptions and other countries too suggests (contrary to what would be common sense) that it doesn't decrease safety.

And if you take that assertion to its logical conclusion, the MOT doesn't contribute anything to road safety so it's nothing but a waste of time and should be abolished completely.

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And if you take that assertion to its logical conclusion, the MOT doesn't contribute anything to road safety so it's nothing but a waste of time and should be abolished completely.

Some may say that yes. Even though the continent has bi-annual tests, they don't have a significant more accidents caused by vehicles that are dangerous.

 

Myself however, I feel it's very different having MOT exemption for vehicles that are old (older than 40yrs) vs vehicles that are new. When new, a lot of vehicles are used as tools and so not looked after. Yes some people buy old (>40yrs) cars to daily them and use them like a tool. However most are a treat and a toy. Not doing many miles and usually spending a lot on them.

 

Finally most people are aware that having an accident in a >40yr old car is going to hurt the occupants far more than a <10yr old car. That helps guide the mind. Maybe when we have 5 star NCAP cars 40yrs old, things may need revisiting. Or maybe not, because a lot of currently modern cars won't be repairable or easily fuelable?

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Can they pick up black and silver plates?

 

If it doesn't, you can bet you won't be allowed them.

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If it doesn't, you can bet you won't be allowed them.

How would they stop you?

 

(Ad infinitum)

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Stepping away from the "it's a bad/good idea" discussion for a minute - has anyone who has read the detail have an opinion on whether the Perkins lump in one of my land rovers will stop it being mot exempt?

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Okay, I'm sorry for bumping the thread now.

Don't be sorry!

 

Gave me an excuse to pop a champagne bottle, which is the only sensible reaction.

For the record, doing away with that MoT bollocks is the second good thing the tories did for me,

something the noolabs completely failed at.

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Just imagine the entirely new dimension of hilarity the GGG's antics will be catapulted into come next May.

This is going to be bloody golden beige.

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Stepping away from the "it's a bad/good idea" discussion for a minute - has anyone who has read the detail have an opinion on whether the Perkins lump in one of my land rovers will stop it being mot exempt?

No it's fine - common modifications done whilst they were being produced or in the 10 years after production ended are A OK according to the guidance. Plenty plenty Perkins powered landies and rangies about.

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I've taken to checking the MOT history of some of the older vehicles I see on TV, for example a Sunbeam Talbot 90 on Father Brown.

The MOT has expired on this, but its history reveals that it barely does a couple of hundred miles each year. Presumably the rest of the time it resides in a nice warm garage. I suspect that not testing this vehicle will not cause the world to end.

My own bay will be exempt next year, and I am planning to continue to test it because we take three holidays in it and go to a handful of festivals each year, although a daily driver it is not.

I am also lead to believe that insurance will cost a lot more for vehicles without MOT.

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What would the autoshiters' response be to a 1960/70s-style MoT - just steering, suspension, brakes, structure? Or would this cause more problems than it solved?

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I am also lead to believe that insurance will cost a lot more for vehicles without MOT.

 

YMMV, mine doesn't and hasn't since the day I insured it. (Ireland - where pre-1980 cars are currently on a NCT exemption)

 

Tests conducted on pre-1980 vehicles were something like less than 100 in a year and the vast majority of those were because PSV rules (wedding cars, etc.)

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Channel Islands have never had MOT tests.....instead , fairly regular spot road checks, surprising few cars taken off the road for horrendous reasons, plenty for lights / tyres.

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@forddeliveryboy, that's what they do now really.  After all, most of the MOT doesn't apply as they stuff isn't there to test.  I remember when computer based MOTs came in and at the end of doing the Viva on the ramp, the examiner asked me if I wanted a cup of tea.  Seemed a bit odd but he explained that the car took a fraction of the time to do that a modern does and that the computerised system forced a minimum time.

 

I always got him to do the emissions though, just to check that it is running right.  

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The thing about the MOT is that even people who consider themselves to be on top of car maintenance don't notice things that get picked up on MOT's.  I mean, i'm one of the most conscientious car owners I know, but when was the last time I actually went underneath for a good look round?  Never, that's when, I check the tyres, brakes, service it, keep the oil topped up and fill up the screen wash etc

 

It wouldn't be the first time i'd presented what I thought was a perfectly good car for an MOT to discover that it had galloping rot and have it basically condemned.  (Both times Mk6 Escorts, amazingly)

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Channel Islands have never had MOT tests.....instead , fairly regular spot road checks, surprising few cars taken off the road for horrendous reasons, plenty for lights / tyres

Hardly feasible in any slightly more populated area though is it!

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I now can't wait for MOT exemption, mostly so I can park my car on the street legally without worrying about it being towed. Mostly as I'm not even using the car, it just takes ages for me to find the time to fix the damn thing. The fact my car has to get through an emissions test while a 1975 Toledo with the exact same engine doesn't is most irritating....

 

It'll still be going to the garage for periodic checks mind, I've not got the equipment to check stuff like brake balance or get a proper nosey underneath.

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Hardly feasible in any slightly more populated area though is it!

No roadworthyness testing in several Australian States and you don't see that many heaps running about in urban areas.

 

NZ has 6 monthly WOF testing for older vehicles and there is plenty of old stuff running about there.

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I now can't wait for MOT exemption, mostly so I can park my car on the street legally without worrying about it being towed. Mostly as I'm not even using the car, it just takes ages for me to find the time to fix the damn thing. The fact my car has to get through an emissions test while a 1975 Toledo with the exact same engine doesn't is most irritating....

 

It'll still be going to the garage for periodic checks mind, I've not got the equipment to check stuff like brake balance or get a proper nosey underneath.

Is it taxed? If not I would be having kittens about leaving it on the street....

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Nope, not tax exempt until May and can't tax it without an MOT. It is 110% dodgy, hence my 2am spannering to try and get it sorted asap.

When it was having work done at the garage I told them there was no rush so it was out of harms way for a few weeks but they have limited storage space so it can't stay there.

 

It is just on the cusp of not being an absolute hassle, even my MOT guy suggested I just store it away until it doesn't need any of this shit, sadly not an option...

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I would be getting it taxed at the post office using a V112 possibly V112G (exemption from testing form), as it stands there's a good chance of having it clamped or towed as abandoned.

Declare it as a works truck or similar just don't drive it apart from to the prebooked MOT.

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One of the most, utterly ludicrous ideas ever thought up.

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Right, question time. My Lambretta is now MOT exempt, and I’ve downloaded for my v112 to declare that it’s as Innocenti intended (of course, occifer).

It’s been off the road since 2011, and it’s not currently insured. Reading on the DooVLA website, it suggests I need to tax it at a P.O. desk, and hand over the v112 at the same time.

Does it also need to be insured to do this? I’m sure I read somewhere a while ago that it wasn’t the case any more. Maybe I dreamt it though. Whatever the case, I don’t intend on insuring or using it for the foreseeable, so if it does need insuring to get the ball rolling, it’ll have to wait.

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