The end of shite!

[Guest Hooli]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40723581

 

With this stupidity happening I can see shite running out or being banned in some of our lifetimes. it's a sad day for the future as youngsters will loose the chance to learn so much by not having access to proper shite.

[Tayne]

If you work on 20 years to replace the whole UK fleet, that's ICE cars gone by 2060 (by which time I'll be 81) apart from a few diehards running classics on their own home grown petrol.

 

I assume that since you use the word "stupidity" you have a better plan to solve the air pollution and climate change issue?

[They_all_do_that_sir]

Nothing about existing cars being banned.

 

How realistic is it that we will have the infrastructure for this by 2040? How do we get enough capacity from the power grid?

 

I can understand the clean air thing in places like London but over here in NI where it's 90% rural electric cars don't really make sense.

 

Also brave move considering the influence petrochemical firms have on politics...

 

 

 

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[ianbmw]

When the horse was made redundant, every thought that was the end of the horse. The horse is still here and still a weekend toy........ Much like the vast majority of classics.

 

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[alf892]

It is politics.........therefore best left till it plays out.

 

Although at 55 worrying about it is fairly low on my list of shit to worry about

[Honey Badger]

I doubt they will be full electric, mostly hybrids I would think.

[lisbon_road]

Politics.  They're under pressure to do something about air quality, and rightly.  What better than make a grand announcement like this?  But it is a cheap announcement: May will do well to make it to Christmas, so she's not going to have to think about implementing it.

 

In principle, it has to be the right move.  My understanding is that we're really going to struggle to have enough electricity as it is, without huge increases in demand like this.  Intermittent renewables just aren't going to be enough.  

 

Even I am bored with hearing myself say that LPG could make a good short term contribution to air quality.  I believe there's a decision being made about which way taxis in London should go, with options for hybrid (presumably petrol) or lpg conversions of existing taxis.  The LPG conversion is relatively cheap, and the new hybrids cost a bomb.  It's all temporary technology until they are ready to go electric, so I'd go for the cheaper one personally.

[theorganist]

It was inevitable especially with other countries announcing similar deadlines, however electrically powered cars aren't totally pollution free until we get to a point where all electricity produced is pollution free.

 

I don't think it will see an end to classic/retro/old cars, I am sure you will still find refiners and suppliers of petrol, it will probably be very expensive though.

 

Steam engines were phased out in 1968 and people thought that would be the last we would see of them, yet nearly fifty years on there will be steam engines running up and down the country.

[D Spares & Tyres]

I wouldn't worry too much.

 

I remember seeing a steam powered Morris Minor on eBay, I would rip the engine out the Standard and convert that if needs be.

[Captain Furious]

Won't this just mean that cars will have to have tiny electric motors to assist their enormous petrol engines and call themselves hybrids?

 

Like, say, the BMW 330e

 

The sales blurb - ultra low emissions, 148mpg, save the planet, drive to work on electric power only etc

 

The reality - 31mpg

[ianbmw]

Just a thought, which tax is going to go up to make of for fuel duty?

 

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[Split_Pin]

There'll be a fupping seige in my street if they try and take my cars from me. Not that it would likely pan out like that, it's just grandstanding at best.

[Kiltox]

Just a thought, which tax is going to go up to make of for fuel duty?

 

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Road pricing.

[egg]

By 2040 we will be craving an early Prius or Fluence by then, tis no problem.

[lisbon_road]

Captain Furious, I'd be interested in knowing more about that BMW, they're thinking of buying them where I work - not for me I hasten to add!

 

OK, I had a look at Fuelly.  Massive variation in fuel economy - not surprising really.  Some very high figures and dismally low.  Makes it very hard to judge really.  

[Kiltox]

By 2040 we will be craving an early Prius or Fluence by then, tis no problem.

My Duster Access will be sold from a white room for £79,995

[Justin Case]

Of course it's not the end of shite. Autoshite will  still be going strong  but will be full of Ebay Nissan Leaf buys and epic collection threads with the obligatory shot of the car being plugged into a lamp-post to get just  enough charge to limp home

[Captain Furious]

I don't have any first hand experience, but a friend of mine has just had one on hire for a couple of weeks. Essentially it's a plug in hybrid, a 320i, 2 litre turbocharged petrol with an electric motor that boosts power to similar levels to the 330i hence the name.

 

You have to plug it in for 3-4 hours a day and it gives it about 25 miles range on electric power only providing you stay below certain speeds and throttle openings, if you go above 50 (I think) the petrol engine joins in. For performance they both work together to give something like 258bhp

 

148mpg is the quoted figure and really low emissions, which makes them cheap on BIK tax, hence why I expect them to be very popular with company car fleets, but the he was averaging around 31-33mpg and said driving it on electric only was quite difficult to maintain while keeping up with traffic

[They_all_do_that_sir]

Old school diesel with bosch pump ftw then, old veg oil will always be available given our addiction to takeaway...

 

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[MikeR]

there are actually people around here still using a horse and cart to go to town , also avoids the parking charges !! 

[Pillock]

Nobody is going to take anyone's car off them.

By 2040 they don't want to be selling any more NEW petrol or diesel cars. Existing cars will be fine for a long while yet.

 

So in 2040 the market share of electric cars will begin to rise - it won't suddenly leap to 100%, so the infrastructure can also grow as it needs to.

They've not said what the alternative fuel to diesel and petrol is, so perhaps hydrogen/lpg/snailpoo will be on the cards too. We've got 23 years to work that one out and I think that's more than enough time.

 

Perhaps - in fact probably - the cost of traditional fuels will begin to rise to try and make new fuels look more attractive. What's wrong with that? By 2040, petrol and diesel cars should really be a weekend plaything for people that can afford them.... the oldest Leaf will be 25+ years old so right into banger territory with cheap battery packs all over ebay. A Tesla will be the equivalent of a 1990s Jag. I'm quite looking forward to there being rows and rows of electric points in every town, I'd love an electric car right now but I just can't run one.

 

Face it - diesel is horrible stuff, petrol has its moments too and both are contributing to climate change. To encourage these vehicles to be more for hobby, occasional use seems fine to me. They're not banning them, they're offering a better alternative to people that batter them up and down the motorways all day. Auntie Mabel who goes to Asda once a week will probably buy a small petrol car in 2039 and use it for another 30 years anyway.

[They_all_do_that_sir]

Is hydrogen being ignored completely now? Is it just not viable?

 

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[Split_Pin]

They'll need to extend the life expectancy of battery packs and reduce the cost of replacement to less than 4 figures though.

[chodweaver]

Just a thought, which tax is going to go up to make of for fuel duty?

 

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All of them

 

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[DVee8]

How many more runways does the country have to store 30-40 million,cars,vans,trucks,buses,tractors.Anything with a petrol/diesel engine?

 

What will become of all this metal.I know a lot will go through natural wastage.

 

Nissan makes around 340k units a year,most goes abroad but we already know about the new juke 2019,new cashcow and x trail 2020.

[Dick Cheeseburger]

Is hydrogen being ignored completely now? Is it just not viable?

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This. More research needed - I thought it was a solid contender at one point?

Thing is, by 2040, Trump will have already blown up the joint...

[fordperv]

Well ive got my shite sorted

 

[Junkman]

For once I'm doing the right thing.

 

Buy a big bloody V8 ship now!

Sooner or later it'll be illegal and then you regret every inch you haven't driven it.

[theorganist]

People on the Guardian this morning are predicting the end of personal car ownership with cars parked in streets for everyone to use, a bit like Boris's bike!

[5speedracer]

Invest in lithium mining companies.