There is a bit of a chaos up here - Sink Hole on M 62

[Dick Cheeseburger]

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[Richard]

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It'll still happen.

[CHRIS1980]

The environment agency can't stop the rain.

But when did they last dredge the rivers?

Who did the surveys for all the new build estates upstream?

Who establishes where the fields drain off into?

What do they actually do?

Anyone know?

Edit: Not defending the MP by the way - he is clearly a cockwhisk.

This.

 

Stop building houses and the water will have somewhere to soak into. What does Mother Nature do with our 'green taxes' and 5pences for bags?

[HillmanImp]

Ha! That's brilliant SornMe. Just stolen that picture.

 

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[willswitchengage]

 

My parents' village is basically a flood plain - pics I took earlier on the River Ure a few miles north of York

 

 

Amazingly it was business as usual in this nursing home!

 

 

Closed road through the town centre. The walk around to the shops this morning was a two mile detour on the bypass viaduct! Fortunately the Vale of York, being flat, is flooded very frequently so there has been big investment in effective flood defences. That river is not abnormally high at all - all the problems have been at upper reaches.

[willswitchengage]

It's possible to build Road bypasses around pinch points... Why not rivers?

 

seems obvious to me but I live in a reclaimed bog surrounded by drainage ditches and a rerouted river - hand dug several hundred years ago.

 

Where is Vermuyden when you need him?

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jubilee_River

 

This does happen! The Jubilee River was constructed near Slough to alleviate Thames flooding and protect strategic national assets such as Eton College and lots of expensive property.

 

Also the River Don was straightened hundreds of years ago - although I believe the project was never finished to completely drain the area around Goole.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/River_Don,_South_Yorkshire

[SambaS]

has anyone thought how these nasty little new housing developments will effect the existing drainage networks.

 

I did sit on a planning commitee meeting in Northallerton for a development I have an interest in and adding to the existing drainage network was discussed at length. General gist was they either improved it for everyone or f*cked right off.

[Des]

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That's quite funny, but don't expect that touch of damp to curtail development. My old college was about 7 storeys with no ground floor as the whole thing was on stilts, big concrete pillars, you could even park underneath, it was situated on WATER Lane, there was a temporary wartime looking bridge across the adjacent river as the original was washed the fuck away a lifetime ago, the nearby railway passes on a viaduct keeping well bastard clear, the whole area was mud and shit. Not any more as is now a nice expanse of ground level concrete with hotel and Tesco petrol station. Guess what little calamity befell the fuckers?

[MarvinsMom]

i feel for the poor saps who buy these shitty little new build houses,

 

only a couple of years later they then get flooded out,

 

and then to discover that they cannot sell them,

 

cannot insure them,

 

and that they still have a life time of mortgage to cover some how,

[chaseracer]

That's quite funny, but don't expect that touch of damp to curtail development. My old college was about 7 storeys with no ground floor as the whole thing was on stilts, big concrete pillars, you could even park underneath, it was situated on WATER Lane, there was a temporary wartime looking bridge across the adjacent river as the original was washed the fuck away a lifetime ago, the nearby railway passes on a viaduct keeping well bastard clear, the whole area was mud and shit. Not any more as is now a nice expanse of ground level concrete with hotel and Tesco petrol station. Guess what little calamity befell the fuckers?

 

Nowhere near enough clues there...

[Junkman]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jubilee_River

 

This does happen! The Jubilee River was constructed near Slough to alleviate Thames flooding and protect strategic national assets such as Eton College and lots of expensive property.

Why did I have that funny feeling, that if it ever happened, it wouldn't be to protect ordinary tax payers' property?

 

 

Also the River Don was straightened hundreds of years ago - although I believe the project was never finished to completely drain the area around Goole.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/River_Don,_South_Yorkshire

Of course it wasn't finished. Was there any tax money at all invested in infrastructure since the Victorians?

[fordperv]

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I really hope they are putting the 39 dwellings on stilts

[Felly Magic]

I remember years back, a mate lived in the village of Gowdall, just off the A19, not far from Eggborough, his bungalow was a good 6ft above the road level, and it was a good 5ft deep in floodwater, he lost everything, but the entire village is on a flood plain really, bloody stupid building houses there. 

[billyboy406v6]

Thought all this rain was from global warming, and not house building ?

[Guest Lord Sward]

What does Mother Nature do with our 'green taxes' and 5pences for bags?

 

'Green Taxes' are a scam.

[Lacquer Peel]

Thought all this rain was from global warming, and not house building ?

 

Climate change has unsettled the weather systems making the UK wetter and milder, no time of the year is safe from flooding any more. Inappropriate developments are built on flood plains. Tarmac/concrete/block paving doesn't soak up water.

[meshking]

I can't help but think it's about time we learn to live with the environment and not adapt it to our needs. I studied civil engineering, so know enough about how to modify the environment to our needs, but really don't think we are able to win in the long run.

 

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[Felly Magic]

Heard the sirens going off around here too as the Deben estuary has a flood warning on. What the fooki is going on?

[rml2345]

So... When do we change the name of the forum to Boatoshite?

Looks like we'll be needing them.

[tooSavvy]

... sponsored by 'Sand(bags) not Dole'.

 

TS

[Andrew353w]

 

we have one too, making for gr9 fun

 

Last year at this time things were so much different, with temperatures down to minus 10 deg C & snow snowstorms!

 

There was significant flooding in the south of England last year. The picture reminds me of my success in negotiating a flooded road in Smallford, near Hatfield, in Hertfordshire in my Citroen Xantia. I'd never used the "high" suspension setting except when changing a tyre, but it DOES come in handy when driving through flooded roads! The car suffered no ill effects at all & I suppose the bottom was given a wash, too!

[Partridge]

The MP for rochdale has already started pointing the finger at the environment agency.

 

What are they supposed to do - stop it raining?

 

You cannot hold back nature.

No. But they can dredge the bloody rivers for a start.

[MarvinsMom]

or, as in the case in York, decide to open the Foss Island flood gates whilst the river is rising.

[daveb47]

Cant they combine flooding and fracking & drill some holes to let the water out??

[Partridge]

or, as in the case in York, decide to open the Foss Island flood gates whilst the river is rising.

Shooting and feet comes to mind.

[Timewaster]

No. But they can dredge the bloody rivers for a start.

is there an echo in here?

[willswitchengage]

'Green Taxes' are a scam.

 

Used to subsidise aviation fuel (no VAT or duty) because air travel is a green form of transport, unlike trains and buses who are required to pay tax on what they use in addition to being forced to use inefficient operating models.

[Andrew353w]

Used to subsidise aviation fuel (no VAT or duty) because air travel is a green form of transport, unlike trains and buses who are required to pay tax on what they use in addition to being forced to use inefficient operating models.

 

Why does EVERYBODY fly to these bloody climate conferences? If they all had to use conference calling and virtual meeting facilities they'd not bother! Or is it that the chance to have a week in Paris/San Francisco/Melbourne (other delightful destinations are availabe) at their country's tax-payers' expense is just too good to turn down? Oh, and don't forget all those duty-free goodies that one can't claim when on a conference call link!

 

God, I'm so cynical!

[Lacquer Peel]

No. But they can dredge the bloody rivers for a start.

 

It doesn't work. Bad land and soil management makes flooding worse, dredging is pissing in the wind.

[panhard65]

I am sure someone will say that the dredging they have done in Somerset must of worked as we haven't been flooded this year. It probably has more to do with the fact that we have had much less rain though, not that that will stop the moaners trying to blame it on the enviroment agency. The one thing that surprises me with all the pictures of tearful housewives moaning about their ruined photo album's and christmas pressies is did they not think to maybe just put them upstairs before they got flooded.