Screen washer blues

[DSdriver]

First off, can anyone recommend a universal pump that last for more than one outing in the car? The little black jobbies are totally crap.

Right that's the DS sorted... now the XM:

My "loose leaf" owners handbook is missing just the very page I need, p131/132, the one that tells you about the fuses. Its probably not the fuse but it is a lot easier to check first than removing the wheel and the arch cover to get at the reservoir and pumps which is so conveniently placed above the wheel in the front wing.

If anyone can tell me which fuse I need to check and/or point me in the direction of a place from which I can download an owners handbook I will be very grateful.

Cheers m'dears.

[tooSavvy]

I have absolutely 'no comment!'

 

TS

[DSdriver]

Hey - no worries, good to hear from you.

[tooSavvy]

Hey - no worries, good to hear from you.

.... you know about my fix??? No??

 

 

TS

[steve_earwig]

This http://www.club-xm.com/html/specs.html#Anchor-Fuse-3800any good to ya?

 

You wanna peristaltic pump you do.

[DSdriver]

.... you know about my fix??? No??

 

 

TS

Nope! been on hols.

[PhillipM]

UP1000 bilge pump, about 20 quid, pumps about quarter to half a litre per second onto the screen through the washer bar on the buggy.

[DSdriver]

This http://www.club-xm.com/html/specs.html#Anchor-Fuse-3800any good to ya?

 

You wanna peristaltic pump you do.

The XMforum  linky gives me the same info as the pages of the owners handbook that I have got. I assumed that the (next) missing page would tell me where to find the washer pump fuse but perhaps not if his comments are anything to go by.

Peristaltic pump looks interesting, will they self-prime because even with a non-return valve the tubing seems to drain itself when the car isn't used. Why do they call them dosing pumps on ebay, do they just give a squirt then cut out?

[DSdriver]

UP1000 bilge pump, about 20 quid, pumps about quarter to half a litre per second onto the screen through the washer bar on the buggy.

 

Haha it would drain the washer bottle in one second if it didn't blow all the tubing apart. I can recommend them for boats with dodgy stern glands though.

[tooSavvy]

Nope! been on hols.

.. search Bleach Bottle.

 

 

TS

[panhard65]

What year and model XM and I will have a look on autodata for ya

[PhillipM]

Haha it would drain the washer bottle in one second if it didn't blow all the tubing apart. I can recommend them for boats with dodgy stern glands though.

My screenwash 'nozzles' are drilled aluminium tube and the hosing is held on with jubilees

[DSdriver]

What year and model XM and I will have a look on autodata for ya

Thanks, Its a 2 litre petrol estate with turbo N297 ONS

[steve_earwig]

The XMforum  linky gives me the same info as the pages of the owners handbook that I have got. I assumed that the (next) missing page would tell me where to find the washer pump fuse but perhaps not if his comments are anything to go by.

Oh, that's a bugger. I did wonder why you didn't find that yourself, sorry. I did have a site bookmarked with loads of tech stuff on old PSA's (psyborg) but it all seems to have gone now

Peristaltic pump looks interesting, will they self-prime because even with a non-return valve the tubing seems to drain itself when the car isn't used. Why do they call them dosing pumps on ebay, do they just give a squirt then cut out?

A mate of mine was using one on a college hydraulics project, it specified a peristaltic because they were reliable and when he got one it was the same as on our Simca. I guess they work until the inner pipe perishes but they always seem to last. Vane pumps seem to work more by luck,..

[steve_earwig]

This seems to be what was on psyborg http://www.citrina.lt/failai/tech/I can't find any wiring diagrams unfortunately.

[DSdriver]

Peristaltic looks the way to go then. Probably not any Simcas down the breakers any more so I will buy a new one.

 

The Citrina site has the parts list for the XM which I have downloaded in case it ever comes in handy.

 

Thanks, have a virtual beer on me.

[castros_bro]

Dem pumps are for giving a dose of meds to peeps. If your NHS uses them for serious stuff then sqierting a measure of jizz on a french windscreen should be possible and self priming. Never tried one at freezing.

[steve_earwig]

I managed to download (from somewhere I'm probably not supposed to mention) a whole load of XM stuff, incl. Haynes. There is a handbook but it doesn't go up to page 131 so I presume it's for a phase one. One thing  I have noticed on a few diagrams is the fuse also controls the wipers (plus some other stuff) which seems normal, so if the wipers are still working maybe you need two pumps...

[DSdriver]

Having a wonderful afternoon taking the XM to bits to get at the washer bottle. I found both pumps to be not working when I connected them up to a separate battery but one seemed to be trying so I flushed it out and gave it a couple of sharp taps on the workbench which persuaded it to go again. 

Congratulating myself I then tested the voltage at the connectors for both the front and rear washer pumps there was only about one or two volts.

Not enough to drive the pumps. Strange that they both give the same reading, am I doing something wrong? My shiter solution would be to wire in a separate flick switch and feed unless anyone has a better idea.

[steve_earwig]

I reckon you'll have some duff joints somewhere and the pumps have seized up through lack of use.

 

Just a thought - as there are two pumps they probably have a common earth, did you test the lives to a known good earth? Maybe it's just the earth that's the problem...

[DSdriver]

Nope, didn't think of that, just put it all back together as my energy levels were in the red zone. Will check tomorrow. But hey, when I drove the DS back onto the drive because I had been blocking it when MrsDS came home I tried the washers and they worked. Ordering a new pump seems to have done the trick. I wonder if ordering new pumps for the XM would have the same effect?

[tooSavvy]

My Pug 'driveway de-mosser power rating' pump was £5 c/w a good length of pipeline.

 

From MHog.

 

 

TS

[steve_earwig]

It's well worth checking the earth as it'd be easy to sort.

But hey, when I drove the DS back onto the drive because I had been blocking it when MrsDS came home I tried the washers and they worked. Ordering a new pump seems to have done the trick.

I get something similar to that when I loose anything, the quickest way to find it again is buy a new one.

I wonder if ordering new pumps for the XM would have the same effect?

As there's also a wiring issue you need to buy a new loom as well...

[dollywobbler]

I need an electric washer pump for the Dyane. So further recommendations welcomed. I saw this post rather too late to go handbook hunting though. Earthing can be an issue on XMs.

[CHRIS1980]

I think I need to work out how to wire a Karscher pressure washer into mine as nothing seems to wash off my windscreen.

[steve_earwig]

Do you mean not enough pressure or do you have to park under a tree?

 

Earthing can be an issue on anything that gets wet and uses electricity..

FTFY.

 

I spent an age going though all the guff I downloaded looking for earth points earlier and failed miserably. Boo.

[DSdriver]

Citroen obviously haven't heard of bus bars but instead have welded six separate earthing points to the inner wing behind the air filter box.

Personal energy reserves very low today and not up to taking the wheel and arch lining off again so I linked all the six earthing points together with a cable I made up which had absolutely no effect on the screen washer pump which is probably earthed at the back of the car. Ho-hum.

[steve_earwig]

Bus bars in a car, who does that? It's probably a crimped connector somewhere inside the loom for maximum hilarity*

[chodweaver]

Bus bars in a car, who does that?

Kit car builders, that's who. Well, the ones that are doing a half decent* job of it.

 

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[steve_earwig]

Only because the body's made out of plastic...

 

Anyway, just cruising Njuskalo and spotted this:

 

Bottom right of picture - Peristaltic pump as fitted to a 1976 Simca 1100.http://www.njuskalo.hr/oldtimer-auti/chrysler-simca-oglas-12341705