Car tax disc abolished after 93 years!

[Conrad D. Conelrad]

It'll make it easier to clone a car, a negligible amount. Paper circles with details filled out in biro are easy enough to clone or fake on a computer, they've been 100% irrelevant since the day the database came online. 

[Wilko220]

@Burnside

You'll still be able to tax a car at the Post Office, apparently

[Shep Shepherd]

What about the companies that make tax disc holders?

[rml2345]

^ Is that not mainly the Chinese? Cautious approval from this end of the internet, although faith in the DVLA is somewhat lacking so I'll be keeping the receipt in the glovebox.

[Cavcraft]

RIP Bent MOT. You dug me out of some holes and will be sorely missed.

NITE NITE LIL SOLJA FUK DA POLICE XXX

[warren t claim]

I bank with NatWest so I'm expecting at least three SORN fines a year.

[Pillock]

People already clone cars since the last time a policeman used his eyes to look at a bit of paper in the windscreen was 1985. 

It's just affirming what already happens - let the cameras do the work, the computers print out the fines, and the actual people are then freed up to answer the phones to angry motorists when it all goes chuffing wrong.

[Burnside]

@Burnside

You'll still be able to tax a car at the Post Office, apparently

 

Thanks Wilko220 for letting me know. I hope so.

[brickwall]

What Wilko said  -   pay on use of fuel   -   use more fuel = pay more "road fund tax"   -  simples!    

 

 

That's discrimination against V8 owners!

[Cavcraft]

Sod paying it on fuel it'll be far too easy to put the price up at every given opportunity. It'll also mean the cost if living will rise due to the undoubted extra cost for haulage firms.

 

Plus I bet the bastards would ban veg oil from being used.

[Junkman]

Yeah, I have absolutely no understanding for this 'they should charge taxes on this or this instead' nonsense either.

 

We all pay too many and too high taxes as is.

Many taxes should be scrapped, and the remaining ones lowered.

Has anyone in the past 30 odd years considered just once, that a lot of the horseshit tax money is wasted on should be scrapped as well, thus reduce spending for a change?

[Wilko220]

I wasn't defending (or making any comment) on the overall tax take. I just think it would be a lot simpler, less administratively burdensome, and more difficult for pikies etc to evade, if all motoring taxes went on fuel. I agree I'd like to see the overall amount we are taxed reduced.

[brickwall]

Fuel tax evasion is very common. You can by petrol from sources almost anywhere including petrol stations. It's bit like cigs; when something gets that expensive, in come the crooks.

[HillmanImp]

We all pay too many and too high taxes as is.

 

We all don't, thats the issue. A lot of my job is avoiding tax with diversionary Trusts and tax efficient investments and so on. I can't knock anyone for doing it as you may as well if you can but i believe that there should be a simple and fair taxation system where everyone pays to support the country transparently and correctly. 

 

However the people who make the rules are the ones who benefit from them. Plus if they did not have all these complicated rules the people who make them would be putting themsleves out of a job so its in their interest to make it a right dogs dinner.

[Richard]

Nearly all motoring taxes do go on fuel. I do less than 8000 miles a year on LPG and even I pay a lot more on fuel tax than I do on VED.

[dollywobbler]

I was making this point to a friend the other day. They need 4x4 and automatic, so tax is never going to be cheap. I did point out that compared to a year's fuel, road tax is sod all really. Being able to spread the cost across the year will make life a lot easier I'm sure.

[Junkman]

My next car is pre 1960.

Sod MoT and fuck tax.

[CortinaDave]

I like this - Means I can proudly display my December 1979 tax disc in the cortina's window rather than a current one

[Sigmund Fraud]

I like how the general comments from the public on websites are along the lines of that we shouldn't scrap the paper disc because it'll be harder for members of the public to check if a car parked on the street has valid tax or not. Good, less scope to be bothered by miserable busybodies as you let a car go over a few days to wait until payday.

 

I suspect it won't be long before the really miserable ones discover how to use the DVLA 'vehicle enquiry' tool    

[warren t claim]

RFL should only be valid for the current owner, any change in ownership should require a retaxing.

[Mr_Bo11ox]

Why? Sounds like unnecessary bureaucracy and admin fee bollocks to me.

[wackywacerwill]

Jeez, if this ANPR was around when I was a kid I'd of never got away with buying all them old snotters with rent in the window and razzing them around blagging it if we got a tug.

Now I'm old and mature I can see that this is a good thing... and that with the costs involved in going legit these days that if I was now as I was then I may very well be rolling in a hot ride with hot plates

[PhilA]

As much as I didn't really understand it before, all this misery is making me like the system here more and more.

 

1) If it drinks fuel, there's a "gas guzzler tax" levied on the initial sale as a "I told you so".

2) Plate on the car is issued to you at the point you register the vehicle for use on the road. It's turned in when you no longer intend on using the vehicle on the road or sell the vehicle.

3) Plate costs $15. Making them keeps inmates in the prisons busy. Requires valid insurance and title to obtain. You only get one in this state. It goes on the back unless the back of the vehicle is regularly covered (as in towing vehicles).

4) Sticky label for a year's reissuance of the plate $15.

5) To get the plate, the vehicle must be legally held by you, much as a house is. The title is a legal, binding document that has to be signed and stamped by a notary. No receipts written on half the back of a fag packet. Normally about $20. Because who cares who keeps the vehicle, or where it's kept? You're responsible for it.

6) Fuel duty is a set amount per gallon, no a sliding percentage. Prices are made by the fuel company.

7) State tax pays for the roads, amongst other things. It is shaved off your earnings at a set rate. (Council tax pays for bin service etc). 

8 ) MoT equiv (where applicable) means you have to have a sticker in the window, valid for 1 year. Test costs $10. Requires valid insurance, title to obtain.

9) You MUST carry with you the following in order to drive the vehicle: Licence to drive. Title of the vehicle. Insurance proof. Vehicle must display valid MoT (equiv.) tag in the window. Plate must be valid and have an in-date sticker on it.

10) Insurance covers the vehicle. If it's insured, you hold the correct type of licence and are permitted to drive, you are covered to drive it. None of this per-person-per-vehicle-per-1273-miles-per-phase-of-moon policies here.

11)  VIN of the vehicle identifies the vehicle and trumps all other identification fitted. Otherwise the manufacturers wouldn't fit it.

 

It's not infallible by any means, but the vehicle carries on it enough data to be checked, yet the first thing that happens is the VIN is checked and the database information validated. We're still about the paper copy here. There's a single, fairly cheap thing to do each year. Just get reamed on insurance instead.

 

 

--Phil

[brickwall]

Thanks for that Phil. I did wonder when I'm watching Cops on  TV and stuff and they say "License and registration please".

[Micrashed]

Now that we have credit card style driving licences I cant see it being an issue to carry them at all - indeed if you wanted to go one stage further, install smart chips to the licences and bin the paper counterpart. Everything can go on the smart chip -  MOT for vehicle, tax, speeding points - I realise there may be flaws as big as the holes in nannas knikers in this argument, but I need a wee and cant be bothered to expand further....

[FredTransit]

first thing that occurs to me , as we all drive old motors, how will the council deem a motor's not dumped but parked? Yes you can look it up online but will they bother? How will they go about the MOTable tax free RFL? As they dont need payment, will they just issue the 'tax'?

[Mr_Bo11ox]

first thing that occurs to me , as we all drive old motors, how will the council deem a motor's not dumped but parked? Yes you can look it up online but will they bother? 

 

Of course they will. Are you thinking that they are just going to ignore the fact that tax discs are no longer required and just start dishing out loads of tickets anyway?

[warren t claim]

first thing that occurs to me , as we all drive old motors, how will the council deem a motor's not dumped but parked? Yes you can look it up online but will they bother? How will they go about the MOTable tax free RFL? As they dont need payment, will they just issue the 'tax'?

I don't think anyone can call themselves a true shiter until their car has gathered complaints on fixmystreet.com

[FredTransit]

Hypotheticly, you are not allowed to park on some council property without tax, but have two similar cars. One street legal one not. For the purposes of storage, some spare number plates could be fixed to the untaxed one. Its on private land so no offense is commited. The council cant prove its not taxed so they cant touch it....

[Junkman]