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That was a potential disaster swerved!

I must admit, I’m always suspicious about brake lines & fuel lines that have been covered in underseal or grease. Obviously it’s an attempt to stop them rusting but it also means you can’t see the actual metal they’re made of very well. 

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Well done on discovering that. Amazing how long old fuel lines can last and then fail very suddenly...

Also, if you were close, just screw the idle stop screw in to get about 1500-2000 RPM and drive the thing home...

 

Phil

  • 2 weeks later...
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I have been lumbered with a cold since the last update and that has held up any sort of progress.  I've got all the parts waiting to go on and thought since it's cold and dry outside today I'd have a go at getting some of the fuel out of the tank.  The electric in tank pump is too weak to help with that, so at least I know it's not the earth cables causing that issues, it's the pump itself, and I don't think the mechanical one is the best way of pumping the fuel out since I'd like to not burn out my starter motor with that much cranking.  I haven't got another pump to use so thought I'd try the old syphon-with-a-hose trick.  Seems the Princess has an anti-syphon tank because I can get some fuel out but then the flow quickly stops.  There's no drain plug on the tank either so it's going to be a messy job of jacking the car up, disconnecting a line, and using gravity.

At a guess there's 30 litres of fuel in the tank at the moment which equates to about 30kg of weight, plus however much the tank itself weighs on top of that.  I don't fancy trying to manhandle that on my own underneath the car on the driveway so it's pretty important I get at least some of the fuel out of it before dropping it off the car.

The last time I dropped the tank I had access to a two post lift in a workshop and an extra pair of hands so it was an awful lot easier.  I should have taken the opportunity to replace the lines then but because they looked perfectly fine at the time and there was a lot of other work going on, they were deemed suitable.  Ah well, that's hindsight.  What I'm planning to do instead is jack the front of the car up as high as I can and get it on axle stands, then disconnect the flexi hose that joins the two hard lines about halfway down the car and use gravity to drain the fuel out from that point.  This also means I'm going to replace the hard line in two parts as it is on the car because now I can see a very good reason for it being done the way it is.

Once I've got as much fuel out as I have containers to put it in, I'll then drop the tank and can make and fit nice new lines, paint the fuel flap pocket, get the fuel flap refitted, and button it all up again.  I do have spare factory floor clamps if the ones on the car are damaged so that's good because those are NLA and a bit of a pain to make, they just bolt to the floor and keep the brake and fuel lines nice and snug to the bottom of the car.  I don't trust that I can find a garage that could do this job quickly for me, and then there's the hassle of actually getting the car over to them since I'm not at all comfortable driving it now I know it has a bad fuel line so I'd have to get it transported there and... yeah... I'm better off doing this one myself.

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8 hours ago, vulgalour said:

I have been lumbered with a cold since the last update and that has held up any sort of progress.  I've got all the parts waiting to go on and thought since it's cold and dry outside today I'd have a go at getting some of the fuel out of the tank.  The electric in tank pump is too weak to help with that, so at least I know it's not the earth cables causing that issues, it's the pump itself, and I don't think the mechanical one is the best way of pumping the fuel out since I'd like to not burn out my starter motor with that much cranking.  I haven't got another pump to use so thought I'd try the old syphon-with-a-hose trick.  Seems the Princess has an anti-syphon tank because I can get some fuel out but then the flow quickly stops.  There's no drain plug on the tank either so it's going to be a messy job of jacking the car up, disconnecting a line, and using gravity.

At a guess there's 30 litres of fuel in the tank at the moment which equates to about 30kg of weight, plus however much the tank itself weighs on top of that.  I don't fancy trying to manhandle that on my own underneath the car on the driveway so it's pretty important I get at least some of the fuel out of it before dropping it off the car.

The last time I dropped the tank I had access to a two post lift in a workshop and an extra pair of hands so it was an awful lot easier.  I should have taken the opportunity to replace the lines then but because they looked perfectly fine at the time and there was a lot of other work going on, they were deemed suitable.  Ah well, that's hindsight.  What I'm planning to do instead is jack the front of the car up as high as I can and get it on axle stands, then disconnect the flexi hose that joins the two hard lines about halfway down the car and use gravity to drain the fuel out from that point.  This also means I'm going to replace the hard line in two parts as it is on the car because now I can see a very good reason for it being done the way it is.

Once I've got as much fuel out as I have containers to put it in, I'll then drop the tank and can make and fit nice new lines, paint the fuel flap pocket, get the fuel flap refitted, and button it all up again.  I do have spare factory floor clamps if the ones on the car are damaged so that's good because those are NLA and a bit of a pain to make, they just bolt to the floor and keep the brake and fuel lines nice and snug to the bottom of the car.  I don't trust that I can find a garage that could do this job quickly for me, and then there's the hassle of actually getting the car over to them since I'm not at all comfortable driving it now I know it has a bad fuel line so I'd have to get it transported there and... yeah... I'm better off doing this one myself.

Yep I'm with your plan, let gravity do the work. I've manoeuvred the Maestro tank in and out a few times now, and it's a ballache with fuel in (see my spannering thread feat. petrol in earhole). 

Funnily enough the Maestro hard fuel line is on my list to deal with, there's a bit of surface rust but nothing major. 

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Every year I mean to do the windscreen seal on the Princess and every year I don't get around to it and so every winter I have condensation issues.  I've got a new seal to fit, there's no real reason I haven't done it.  I'm not a total monster, I did buy a car hat to deal with the problem now that it's too cold to be risking fitting new rubber seals and old windscreens.  Car covers have to be fitted back-to-front on the Princess because of its weird shape and since de-bumpering I have to use the slots in the wheels to put the hooks through because everything else has been smoothed out.

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You'll have to excuse the Facebook Marketplace style photo, I cba to go back outside just for that.

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just reading this from the beginning, still in single figures page number wise and still beige (i think anyway some image links are not playing nice thanks photophucket!), wondering how many miles you have spent piloting the old girl since becoming her keeper and caretaker over ten years ago?

as always keep up the good work!

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I don't think I've spent that many miles actually driving it, use as the main car has always been somewhat sporadic, I've almost always had a second car to use alongside so the mileage got shared between them.  Photobucket obliterated the history on this, I do still have all the photos but replacing them is going to take an absolute age and I simply haven't found the motivation or time of late.

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Took the Princess on its first proper test run since replacing the rotten fuel line, something I've been putting off because my confidence was knocked back somewhat with it given the recent problems it threw at me.  That's silly, really, because those problems were easily and fairly quickly resolved and the car has never failed to just work since sorting them out.  The most immediate thing I've noticed since replacing the fuel line is that the constant whiff of fuel the car has had my entire ownership has gone, from both inside and outside.  This is a little alarming because myself and numerous other people had tried over the years to find the cause of the fuel smell and none of us could find it so I can only assume fuel vapour was escaping through a porous section of the old steel line that I've since replaced and has been doing that for at least a decade.

The other amazing thing is that the mechanical fuel pump doesn't appear to be leaking oil from the spacer block like they normally do, so I'm calling that a win.  There are some black specks in the fuel filter, I'm not sure what that could be and I wonder if it's related to the in-tank electric pump dying.

Generally speaking the car runs quite nicely all things considered.  The only thing that persists is the flat spot when setting off, another thing it's always done.  Again, I've had several people look at this and only ever managed a temporary fix.  Sometimes topping up the dashpot helps, sometimes it doesn't.  Some days it doesn't do it, most days it does.  If you dip the clutch and give it some more revs when it tries to die it picks up and sets off as normal and it was like this on the old clutch and slave cylinder as well as on the new clutch and slave cylinder.  No idea on that one, we'll figure it out some day, for now I just drive around the issue.

The good thing is I feel more confident in the car's abilities now.  The car cover is keeping a lot of the moisture out, even if  the wind does keep trying to turn it into a parachute (bungee cords to the rescue on that one) and that makes it more pleasant inside.  I just need a run of good weather again so I can finish tidying up the sill repair and giving the car a proper clean, that's a big ask in December.

  • vulgalour changed the title to 1980 Austin Princess - Not quite as stinky
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In my mission to gain confidence today we went to town to run an errand, that means stop start traffic and Christmas shoppers to navigate.  All of that was fine, what wasn't fine was the AA van with an SUV on a towbar trying to merge into me because somehow they were oblivious of the bright pink car visible in their mirror.  After that they then realised they were in the wrong lane and repeated the maneouvre on another car they had also somehow not seen at all.  Baffling.

As for the running, it does seem to be getting better with use (it always does, to be fair), and the flat spot issue seems to lessen as the car gets up to full operating temperature so maybe it's something to do with the hot/cold air intake if it's temperature related.  Temperature and charging all look to be nice and stable, I've not driven it enough to judge fuel usage yet.  My goal at the moment is to actually drive the car to rebuild my confidence in its reliability and to use up some of the fuel in it to make dropping the tank for the rear line replacement easier.

The most noticeable difference is definitely the smell.  This car has always been slightly stinky after even the shortest drive and now it's not, which is a little strange, whether or not that will remain to be the case in warmer weather we'll have to see.

For now this is about all I can do, the weather won't allow for any sort of cleaning work, certainly not for any sort of bodywork, so I'm as well just trying to make sure I drive it (which actually helps keep the interior dry too) and keep it mobile until the weather improves and I can do some real work on it.

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It's a bit past that sadly.  We're more in the forty three layers of bathroom silicone territory.

  • 1 month later...
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Okay so since the last update I've been using the Princess sparingly because I haven' t needed to do a lot.  It did throw a problem at me last week where it would overfuel.  First time it did it I had the car die at traffic lights and then start up but not be happy about it, pulled into a service station and tapped the carb and it stopped overfuelling so I put that down to a sticky float/needle.

The second time it did the overfuelling was at a different busier traffic lights and I couldn't get it to stop playing silly buggers.  I even partially dismantled the carb at the lights to try and resolve it but it didn't want to know.  Resigned myself to having to remove the carb at a later date.  One person did ask if I needed a jump start and as soon as I said it was a carb issue they wound up their window.  Rude, but fair.  Finally got it to reluctantly run without totally flooding out and limped it the few hundred yards home with it occasionally trying to die, kangarooing, and then clearing up totally.  I was a bit concerned it might be that the electric pump was working properly again and maybe I had too much fuel pressure or something since it's running in tandem with the mechanical pump and determined to investigate when I got chance.

Then work got busy for a week and I didn't need to use the car so it sat idle until I had time one lunch break to investigate.  First job was disconnect but not remove the mechanical pump, looping the fuel hose around so the pump just pumped in a small circuit while the engine was running rather than spraying fuel all over the engine bay.  The main fuel line was reconnected to the carb as per factory and I tried to start the car with just the electric in tank pump.  I was somewhat relieved to find out that the electric pump still can't pump fuel up to the filter, let alone the carb, showing that while it does make some noise it's actually not working for whatever reason.  Reconnected the mechanical pump and prepared to remove the carb to have a look in there and maybe clean it out.

First, I started the car, just in case, and it was fine.  The overfuelling issue was totally gone.  I let it warm up and the overfuelling didn't reappear.  Can't fix it if it isn't broken so I just called it done.

 

Today, took the car out on some errands I needed to do and apart from the usual manual choke cold start and cold weather grumpiness, she was good as gold.  Seems to be using less fuel than I'd expect, which is nice, and might even be high 20s mpg instead of mid to low 20s, I'll know better with more miles and some maths.  I'm not really using the car a lot at all at the moment.  These last few weeks before the house move are all about knuckling down with work and not spending as much as I can possibly manage.  I do my best to use the car for a proper warm-through run once a week, even if I've no errands to actually run, to keep everything moving and drive any damp out of the cabin.  Helps to keep the front brake discs from going rusty or the rear drums from sticking too, as well as making sure the tyres aren't getting flat spots.

For now, we are back to An Car status and as long as she can stay that way for a few more weeks I shall be perfectly happy.

  • vulgalour changed the title to 1980 Austin Princess - An Car
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Yesterday I had the rare treat of a passenger in the Princess since we both had errands to run and it made sense to do it together. While I've been using the Princess more often unsurprisingly it's been staying much more dry inside even when it's been raining a lot so we didn't get damp bums which is always a bonus.

The belt screech is vastly reduced, which makes sense since the roads were vastly drier than last time I was out and the temperature is up, but it did give a couple of cheeky squeals.  I've ordered a can of belt dressing on the recommendation of another forum, I'm pretty sure a previous owner had the same problem since there was some stuff on the pulley when I got the car which was probably old belt dressing.

The flat spot issue with acceleration is definitely engine operating temperature related. Once the car was properly up to temperature the issue went away totally, while it was still cold I was having to guess a bit more than I would have liked for the bite point setting off.

I also learned I'm hopeless at parking this car lately. The Maestro was an awful lot easier to place being much more square and without the C pillar blind spots the Princess has, it also had lighter steering and a better turning circle. Parking the Princess is awkward due to the large turning circle and the sheer bulk of modern cars in car parking spaces that are realistically too small. Happily the Princess is narrow enough that even my worst parking jobs were still within the lines and with time will come familiarity... I hope.

I'm still not putting a serious amount of miles on the car or venturing on to any roads that are above a 40mph limit, and am keenly aware of the jobs I want to do later this year, especially since I am taking advantage of the MoT exemption it benefits from. The plan is very much to get settled in the new place, work through the niggles and potential MoT issues I can find, and then book it in for a fresh MoT and see where we end up. It does feel wrong driving it without an MoT and I am being somewhat hypocritical since I said I wouldn't do that, but circumstances being what they are with the house move it's just the most practical solution for the moment.

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Finally, a nice day of weather when I'm not at work!  Decided to crack on and do a few jobs that weren't video-worthy but all needed doing.  Found lots of little rust bubbles that will need attending this year, I foresee a summer of welding lots of patches that are almost too small to bother with and too big to be able to leave alone.

First thing was to replace the broken wing mirror.  This one was my fault, somehow my coat caught the mirror glass, popped it out of the housing and dropped it on the floor.  I then broke the mirror glass trying to reinstall it, because of course I did.  Old mirror housing had one spinning bolt, naturally, so I had to carefully cut through the stem of that.  Fitting the new one was pretty easy and setting it up wasn't too onerous a task either.  I didn't do the other side since it isn't broken and I didn't want to go making more work for myself.
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Next up, wheels off so I could wrangle the front arch liners back into place.  There's no nice way of doing these and they're damaged from before I got the car and have picked up more damage since.  I've got mixed feelings about putting these back in really, just can't bring myself to do away with them permanently while they're still at least functional.  They're held in with three or four screws and the arch lip itself, none of which you can see because I didn't try to take a photo until it was all back together and the car was back on the floor.
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Between putting the mirror on and the arch liner on I did splash some paint and underseal over the new mirror's nuts and bolts to hopefully prevent rusting, the arch liner will also help since it covers everything away from the splashed up grime.  Another job I've been procrastinating on was refitting the fuel filler flap because I wanted to get the paint done.  I can do the paint later, for now it makes more sense to have the car back in one piece.  Easy enough to do once I found some proper fixings and suitable washers, then splashed some black on the primer just to stop rust.  I do need to repaint this flap because of a reaction that happened when I was doing a test run on the enamel paint I got, possibly a reaction between the primer and the gloss.
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Finally, after clearing out the boot and tidying it up, I fitted the replacement light lenses.  The inner passenger side red lens had developed a crack that was going to start letting water in and causing corrosion issues.  Finding '64 Galaxie rear lights isn't that easy in the UK and the ones I could find that would match in the US were often from sellers who wouldn't post at all.  Luckily, I had a friend in the States willing to be the middle man and got a really nice pair of basically new lenses to go on.  They do have a different chrome boss, there were several different designs, but I don't mind that in this instance.  I replaced both inner lenses so I've got a matched set.  Car is sitting wonky because it had just come off the jack and I didn't jiggle it to settle it out level, just Hydragas things.
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The driver's side front inner wing has a bunch of little patches that I'll have to weld in this year, nothing serious or complicated, just age related stuff really.  I've got a new outer wing to go on this side so I'll likely bundle fitting the wing and doing the repairs all together in one week of welding fun.  Access is at least pretty good for the most part and it won't need to look nice.  I'm unlikely to be able to do any welding before I move house now, which is a shame.  It's another logistics thing really, having the good weather and spare time in February is unlikely and I'm nearly out of gas in the current bottle.  I don't want to have to buy a new bottle of gas right before moving house/part way through a job and then have to buy another when I'm at the new place (I don't want to put a gas bottle in the van we've hired for moving with).  It can be a spring/summer job instead when we've got longer days and I can take a bit more time over it.

Last job I found to do was topping up the dashpot on the carb as it was a bit low.  That'll help just in general, it always does.

  • 2 weeks later...
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Built from aluminium salvaged from an old Lanchester boot lid, and covered in carpet that was formerly a Princess carpet set, I have finally finished the custom rear light covers and trim panel in the Princess.  It only took me eight years.

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Hopefully it will take me rather less time to do the other trim panels in the boot.  I do have a board for doing the back of the back seat, and the exposed metalwork all needs to be redone in black.  The original floor mat wants to be replaced ideally, either in red carpet to match the interior, or black carpet since it's the boot so it's not mega important, I'll use the original as a template when I do that job.  Wheel cover is the original and can stay as is, and I need to replace the boot seal at some point since it has more issues than just overspray.

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Today the Princess has been very good for errands, appears to be doing very well on fuel, and has generally behaved itself.  Had to use the headlights for the first time in ages and noticed the driver's side one was super droopy, suspected the adjusters had backed themselves out.  Turns out they hadn't, the adjusters are firmly seized in place and I cannot move them.  Somehow, the headlight support ring had jumped off the top locater peg which was now pushing the aim at the floor.  Easy fix at least and headlights realigned.  Then the reversing light went on partial strike and every time I look at the wiring to try and find out what's amiss, it's working fine, with or without the new cover in place.

Just old car nonsense really.

The other thing I noticed is a distinct lack of boom from the boot since installing the new light covers, which is nice, except that now I can hear the wind noise from one of the driver's side doors that happens at about 38mph.

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Today has been full of errands, to save time (the weather was dreary and I didn't want muddy shoes) I rather lazily drove to the gym.  In protest, when I stopped at the end of the street the Princess hurled a hubcap off.  Luckily I could grab it and pop it back on and it seems pretty secure so I've no idea what that was about.  Car is definitely driving a lot better now it's been taken out once a week minimum, which is nice.

On one errand found myself parked between a Toyota Yaris GR and a Hyundai i20N.  I didn't blend in very well.  Was also weird how small the Princess looked between them, stood alone it still looks like a good sized car.

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When these were new, they were considered a large car. Now they seem so small when compared to moderns. 

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I've had to drive the Princess in the dark.

Now, when I first got it the car was equipped with sealed beam headlights which I initially considered adequate until it got to the point where I found I could drive around with main beam on and nobody noticed.  A few burnt out lights later and the hassle of trying to find replacements meant I upgraded to H4s which is what it's on now, mostly because it was cheap and easy to do.  Now, of course, I'm behind on the lighting wars by a good margin and they're more like marker lights so other people can see me than any real assistance in seeing where I'm going.  They'll do, I'll figure out an update one day, maybe stick some Nightbreakers in or something.

On the plus side, I don't seem to have the issue with my photochromatic specs that I did with the Maestro and haven't noticed any triggering of the lenses from oncoming traffic.  I do sit a lot further back from the windscreen in the Princess and don't suffer from dazzling and glare from oncoming traffic as much, nor do my mirrors seem to catch as much headlight glare from cars behind me.  So that's nice.

The last thing I did was to raise the idle about a half a turn on the idle screw.  This has actually helped with the flat spot issue a bit and with the wiper speed quite a bit.  The belt dressing seems to be doing the trick as I didn't get horrendous squeal after going through a rather large puddle a lot of supposedly more capable SUVs were avoiding so that's a good thing too.

Heater is still freakishly hot and I have no idea why.  Done about 100 miles urban on about a quarter of a tank of fuel, this is an improvement on the last quarter when I had the fuel issues with carb and fuel line where I was getting 60-80 miles.  Reversing light is still being intermittent and I reckon it's the switch itself being sticky since I did have that problem before.  I just need to take it out, clean it, and reinstall and it'll be fine.  I use my hazards when reversing for now which seems to be working just fine.

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i was wondering if bmw e30 headlights may be any improvement? if there easy to find? im assuming there the correct size but they may not be, my only other thoughts that may have similar sized units would be golfs of a certain age. i know theres aftermarket stuff for mini's but im certain mini lamps are larger. probably not really a priority atm, did any of the spares princesses have the fish tank lamps? i always wondered if they were a improvement?

heater being freakishly hot is a concern, but maybe you managed to flush all the sludge out of it? so long as theres still flow thru the rad it should be okay, but you could always change the  thermostat for one that opens a bit cooler? give the rad a clean with the jet wash too will have shmoo all over it off them puddles...

is it possible to chuck some grease in the rev switch?

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I did try some BMW lights a few years ago and quickly learned I'd have to move the battery (the headlights were a projector type, not sure which model they were off), and the lights were staggered for a more curved front end than the Princess has.  Doable, but a lot more work than I fancied at the time.  LED bulbs are an option too but I'm yet to see one that's a convincing improvement over the H4s in the original bowls.  Minis (of the classic variety) use 7", the Princess is on 5 3/4".  The fishbowl headlights have problems of their own, many of them have leaking seals and corroded silvering these days and I believe you need an additional bracket to mount them that I don't have.  Apparently the fishbowls aren't much of an improvement over fitting better bulbs in twin lights anyway.

As for the heater, I'd be more concerned if the car was showing any signs of overheating,  but it's not.  Even in traffic, the gauge isn't going above 3/4 and on the move it sits at around 1/2 which is healthy.  I think the system is just working properly in all honesty and until recently for whatever reason it hasn't been. If I turn the heater off, the engine isn't running too hot and I'm not getting heat soak into the cabin so I think it's just working as intended and hasn't been for a very long time, which is why it feels decidedly eastern european in its heat output.  It could also be partly that I'm comparing it to the Maestro whose heater was definitely not as potent and far more toward the adequate side of things.

Don't think the reversing switch can be greased, from memory it's a mostly sealed thing.  It could also be a slightly iffy connection since it hangs off the side of the gear selector box right under the car.  It's exactly the same as a classic Mini selector box usefully, so getting service bits for it is actually pretty easy.

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Wire in a couple of 4 pin relays into the headlamp wiring circuit.

Old wiring builds up resistance,means  the bulb isn't getting the full current it needs.

I had the same problem on my Golf,

I used two relays per side,Main/dip circuit and it made a huge difference. 

Alternatively you could purchase something like this,which is more or less plug and play.

Just found this amazing item on AliExpress. Check it out! 
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I want more of a light output boost than that really, I don't think even the healthiest wiring and H4s are going to actually compete with modern lighting.  I could fit LED spotlights, some are effective and not too ugly, just tricky actually fitting them to the front of the car now it has no bumper.

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45 minutes ago, vulgalour said:

... just tricky actually fitting them to the front of the car now it has no bumper.

Any chance you could conceal them behind the grill like I did with TPA's high level brake light?

Know you'd lose some output, but as it's an assist you're going for rather than primary light source might still be enough.

Curious to be seeing LED H4 retrofits from reputable names like Philips and Osram now which are conspicuously lacking the usual "For off road use only" label on the boxes in the likes of Halfords.

The lighting geek in me kind of wants to pick up a pair for some comparative testing - albeit probably not from Halfords given I'm sure they'll be a heck of a lot cheaper elsewhere.

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Possibly.  At the moment the grille space is taken up with a pair of indicators I've not plugged in yet.  Been holding off until I can blank off the MG B units which requires welding and faff.  Sidelights were going to move up into the headlight bowls too, there is provision for that because that's the kit I bought and I have the parts, just didn't do it that way when I changed the front end.  There might just be space for some very small LED spotlights, but even without the indicators it would definitely be tight if I wanted to keep them hidden.

Let's not even get into the fact I want to do hideaway headlights on the Princess to give it that budget Charger front end we all know it should have.

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The Princess headlight problem was solved years ago.  These were very impressive back then. 
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Today marks 12 years of owning this car.  We've been through a lot together.  Other cars have come and gone, relationships the same, house moves, all the patchwork of life.  The Princess has endured.  Mechanically and electrically in far better shape than it was when I got it, structurally more sound too.  Cosmetically... we're getting there.  There's considerably less filler and rust in it now at least.

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