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UPDATE:  17th November 2018.  It's still taking me ages, I'm finding new wedge photos and details quicker than I can update the thread, which isn't helping!

Special mention to Autoshiter Keef for inspiring this with his fascinating Wolseley Six thread and to  the Leyland Princess forum which was a useful resource to kick things off here.
 
I do have details for most of the registrations listed thanks to the efforts and memories of all those that have contributed and the resources available through the DVLA.  This is not a list of surviving cars, it is a list of all cars I have evidence of.  I will also be listing cars that live in other countries.  Models covered in the Wedgister are just the 18-22, Princess, and Ambassador, but does include coachbuilt variants such as hearses and limousines.


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The yellow one is a home brewed jobbie. Im certain its been magazine featured and, certainly, has done the rounds on the web.

I think its been altered since the last time I saw it ( wheels?) and im sure it used to have Rover 600 series front seats.

It actually looked much better when it was magazine featured.

Edit: Its on aronline.

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I occasionally see a dark coloured one parked in the driveway of a rather posh house in Fleet, Hampshire - though I never get a chance to have a decent look at it! I know it's not much to go on, but is this a 'known' car? It looks lovely from what I've seen.

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A few from the Trigger archives.

 

I've posted this many times before, It used to live outside the local pub, and was on ebay for over £2000 for a while, I think it only had 60000 miles on the clock and I have a funny feeling it's now in Ireland but i could be wrong.

 

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1976 Austin Princess 2200 HLS in Ipswich by Trigger's Retro Road Tests!, on Flickr

 

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1976 Austin Princess 2200 HLS in Ipswich by Trigger's Retro Road Tests!, on Flickr

 

This is the infamous one that featured on Top Gear.

 

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1979 Austin Princess 2200 HL by Trigger's Retro Road Tests!, on Flickr

 

Now the rest of these are from The Sweeney, Minder and The Professionals screen shots I've done.

 

BUR 785S was in fact a Volkswagen Van.

 

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Leyland Princess by Trigger's Retro Road Tests!, on Flickr

 

JPC 584N isn't on the DVLA database.

 

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Austin Princess by Trigger's Retro Road Tests!, on Flickr

 

The vehicle details for MAU 552P are:

 

Date of Liability 01 02 1985

Date of First Registration 01 01 1976

Year of Manufacture 1976

Cylinder Capacity (cc) 1798CC

CO2 Emissions Not Available

Fuel Type Petrol

Export Marker Not Applicable

Vehicle Status Unlicensed

Vehicle Colour BLACK

 

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1976 Leyland Princess 1800 by Trigger's Retro Road Tests!, on Flickr

 

The vehicle details for TGT 833R are:

 

Date of Liability 01 11 1986

Date of First Registration 13 01 1977

Year of Manufacture 1977

Cylinder Capacity (cc) 1798CC

CO2 Emissions Not Available

Fuel Type Petrol

Export Marker Not Applicable

Vehicle Status Unlicensed

Vehicle Colour WHITE

 

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1977 Leyland Princess 1800 by Trigger's Retro Road Tests!, on Flickr

 

The vehicle details for WPM 680S are:

Date of Liability 01 04 1986

Date of First Registration 09 06 1978

Year of Manufacture 1978

Cylinder Capacity (cc) 1798cc

CO2 Emissions Not Available

Fuel Type PETROL

Export Marker N

Vehicle Status Unlicensed

Vehicle Colour GREEN

 

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1978 Austin Princess 1800 HL by Trigger's Retro Road Tests!, on Flickr

 

The vehicle details for OLD 197P are:

Date of Liability 01 12 1982

Date of First Registration 21 06 1976

Year of Manufacture 1976

Cylinder Capacity (cc) 1798cc

CO2 Emissions Not Available

Fuel Type PETROL

Export Marker N

Vehicle Status Unlicensed

Vehicle Colour BROWN

 

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1976 Leyland Princess 1800 HL by Trigger's Retro Road Tests!, on Flickr

 

The vehicle details for VLM 60S are:

Date of Liability 28 04 1989

Date of First Registration 06 09 1977

Year of Manufacture 1977

Cylinder Capacity (cc) 1798cc

CO2 Emissions Not Available

Fuel Type PETROL

Export Marker N

Vehicle Status Unlicensed

Vehicle Colour RED

Vehicle Type Approval Not Available

 

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1977 BL Princess 1800 HL by Trigger's Retro Road Tests!, on Flickr

 

Now a couple of road tests.

 

VUK 491S:

Tax Status: Unlicensed

Expiry Date: 01/07/1989

Registration Date: 31/05/1978

 

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Austin Princess 2 2000 HL Road Test 1978 (1) by Trigger's Retro Road Tests!, on Flickr

 

Austin CVP 351V:

Tax Status: Unlicensed

Expiry Date: 30/10/1989

Registration Date: 12/10/1979

 

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Austin Princess 2000 HLS - Ford Cortina 2.0 Ghia & Vauxhall Carlton 2000 Group Road Test 1980 (1) by Trigger's Retro Road Tests!, on Flickr

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I did a bit of Google Image trawling and came up with these:

 

AUSTINPrincess1-1.jpg

AUSTINPrincess2.jpg

AUSTINPrincess3.jpg

AUSTINPrincess4.jpg

AUSTINPrincess5.jpg

AUSTINPrincess6.jpg

 

Anyone know if all of these survive?

 

Il post a lot more up later, I have quite lot of Princess pics from cars that were for sale on Ebay around 2009-2010 ish.

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I started a register of Jimps when I was younger, of which the factory produced 67. This might be a big thread! =) I'd be interested to start a Talbot Samba register for sure, probably a seperate website to AS though for fear of sparking some kind of Protonesque uproar!

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Does anyone mind if I rehost the above to my Photobucket? If I find stuff online, I generally do that anyway unless it's been watermarked or something. At some point I'll do a Trigger and go through all of the above on the Doovla.

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I clocked a dead princess on the A53 near Shrewsbury today, it's in some sort of farmers storage/junk compound surrounded by knackered old caravans and lorry tyres. I just caught a flash of the front of it sticking out from behind a barn as I drove past! I must go in for a gander next time. If anyone asks me what i'm doing i'll just tell em to piss off.

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Here's my mate's Morris, from my spottage thread. He's had it since new. It's called "Magic Hour" (Selwyn Froggett quote...... RIP Bill) and I am hoping to inherit it when he kicks the bucket...... but I doubt that I will... I'd rather he were alive TBH.

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I'll update/amend this as more appear. Gives me something to do. I'm using the DVLA database primarily for information on a car's status. Cars are split into categories and then listed alphabetically by registration.

 

Last updated 22nd May 2012 when there were 56 road going Princesses known to the Wedgister.

 

3 Pre-production/Prototypes

2 untaxed | 0 taxed | 0 exported | 1 not on database

SMG411M Leyland 18-22 2200 HLS - Status: Not on database, probably destroyed.

SMG413M - Wolseley 2200 HLS - Status: Tax expired 1984. No picture.

 

4 Special Editions

1 untaxed | 2 taxed | 1 exported | 0 not on database

ADX227S Princess 2 Special Six - Status: Now in Ireland. UK tax expired 2010.

GMR650W Princess 2 2200 Club 100 Special - Status: Last taxed in 1994. Undergoing restoration.

PRC351X Princess 2 2200 Club 100 - Status: Tax expired 2007

RPV585W Princess 2 2200 Club 100 - Status: Currently taxed.

YBJ243X Princess 2 2000ST (possibly unique dealership variant) - Status: Currently taxed

 

14 Wolseley

4 untaxed | 5 taxed | 1 exported | 2 not on database

309ARX Wolseley Princess 2200 - Status: Tax expired 1987. Possibly still extant, picture looks newer than 1987.

JCT66N 2200 - Status: Currently taxed.

JWA420N 2200 - Status: Untaxed as of May 2011.

KUJ124P 2200 - Status: Currently taxed.

KYT5P 2200 - Status: Currently taxed.

KYT13P 2200 - Status: Tax expired 1992.

KYT17P (no picture available at present) - Status: Tax expired 1982

KYT19P (no picture available at present) - Status: Tax expired 1985

LFJ128P (no picture available at present) - Status: Exported to Australia

LOC950P 2200 - Status: Tax expired. Museum exhibit since nearly new?

MHA758P 2200 - Status: Currently taxed.

MSF556P 2200 - Status: Currently taxed.

OEB512N - Status: Not on database, probably extinct or fake plate in picture.

POC804N - Status: Not on database, probably extinct or fake plate in picture.

 

10 Morris

8 untaxed | 1 taxed | 0 exported | 1 not on database

GOM104N 1800 - Status: Tax expired 1986

HPL41N 1800 - Status: Tax expired 1993. Currently undergoing restoration.

JBL911N 1800 - Status: Tax expired 1994. Fate uncertain, possibly scrapped.

KAH304N 1800 - Status: Tax expired 1984

KJO350N Morris Princess 1800 - Status: Tax expired 1995. Prototype. Awaiting restoration. No picture available.

KPV537P 1800 - Status: Tax expired 1986. Currently undergoing restoration.

KUG949N 1800 - Status: Currently taxed

MUM531P 2200 - Status: Tax expired 1994

WFL992N - Status: Not on database.

YJO71R Morris Princess - Status: Tax expired 1993, awaiting restoration. Prototype.

 

8 Austin

7 untaxed | 1 taxed | 0 exported | 0 not on database

GOM108N 1800 - Status: Tax expired 1985

HJW200N 2200 HLS Police - Status: Tax expired 1983

JAH660N 1800 - Status: Tax expired 2010, awaiting restoration.

JJU164N 1800 - Status: Tax expired 1984

JVP904P 2200 HL Police - Status: Tax expired 1982

KAG499N 2200 HL - Status: Tax expired 1985

KCF875P 1800 HL - Status: Currently taxed.

KOA263P 2200 HL - Status: Tax expired 1984. Technically a Princess 2, it's odd that this was registered as an Austin and not an Austin Morris. Police car.

LVH943P 2200 HL - Status: Tax expired 1994. Very rare Limousine variant.

 

43 Princess 1

15 untaxed | 9 taxed | 1 exported | 16 not on database | 2 scrapped

ALU274S - Status: Now a blue Ford Escort van.

ASE698S 1800 L - Status: Currently taxed.

BRY567T 2200 HLS - Status: Tax expired 1987

BUR758S - Status: Reg. No. now VW van.

CAD80T 2000 HL - Scrapped at Bucklands, July 2011.

CEV36T 1800 HL - Status: Tax expired March 2012

COE208V 1700 H - Status: Tax expired 1992, probably scrapped.

COL400P HL - Status: Not on database. Probably extinct.

DMJ25T - Status: Reg. No. now a Peugeot 405 estate.

GFM220T 1800 HL - Status: Tax expired 2004.

HOE13S 2200 HL - Status: not on database. Probably extinct.

HOE21S HL - Status: Not on database. Probably extinct.

JPC584N HL- Status: Not on database. Probably extinct.

JWL505S 2200 HL - Status: Tax expired 1990. Peculiar that this is a 1 but looks like a 2.

KMG538P 1800 HL - Status: Currently taxed.

LAS734P 2200 HLS - Status: Not on database.

LRX19P 1800 L - Status: Currently taxed

LUC170R - Status: Not on database.

MAA326T 1800 HL - Status: Tax expired 2001.

MAU552P 1800 - Status: Tax expired 1985.

MEC396P 2200 HL - Status: Tax expired 1992.

MSO804P 2200 HL - Status: Tax expired 1993.

NGT964P 1800 HL - Status: Tax expired January 2011

NTF876R 2200 HLS - Status: Currently taxed.

OGN372P 1800 HL - Status: Currently taxed.

OLD197P 1800 HL - Status: Tax expired 1982

OUS910P 1800 HL - Status: Tax expired 2008

PVW620R 2200 HLS - Status: Currently taxed.

RLF1R Status: Now a Honda VFR Motorcycle.

SAK739S 2200 HL - Status: Currently taxed.

TGT833R 1800 HL - Status: Tax expired 1986

UOX766S 2200 HL - Status: Currently taxed.

UNY451S 1800 HL - Status: Tax expired 1988

VLM 60S - Status: Tax expired 1989

VRA971S L - Status: Not on database. Probably extinct.

VRW475S 2200 HLS - Status: Currently taxed.

WAJ436S 1800 L - Tax expired 1990

WEL850S 1800 HL - Status: UK Tax expired May 2011. Now in Ireland.

WOD176S 2200 HL - Status: Not on database.

WPM680S 1800 HL - Status: Tax expired 1986

YHP480S HL - Status: Reg. No. now belongs to white Yamaha motorcycle. Probably extinct.

YVR659T 1800 - Status: Tax expired 1990.

 

81 Princess 2

25 untaxed | 38 taxed | 4 exported | 8 not on database| 6 known to be scrapped

ADX227Y 2200 Special Six - Status: UK tax expired 2010. Now in Ireland.

ADY255V 2200 HL - Status: Currently taxed.

AGT86W 2200 HLS - Status: Currently taxed.

AKR57T 1800 HL - Status: Tax expired 1990

APB474T 1700 L - Status: Tax expired February 2012

ARM119T 2200 HLS - Status: Currently taxed.

ASC333W 2200 HLS Automatic - Status: Tax expired 1994. This might be a 100 Club; badges on rear pillars, no vinyl roof, silver paint and top trim level. If it was a 100 Club, it's a shame it ended up like this.

ATC329V 1700 HLS - Status: Currently taxed.

CGP981X 1700 HL - Status: Tax expired 2008

CHJ402X 2200 HLS - Status: Currently taxed.

CPL989T 2000 HL - Status: Currently taxed.

CSH404X 1700 HL - Status: Tax expired 1995. Now scrapped.

CTL846X 1700 HL - Status: Currently taxed.

CVP351V 2000 HLS - Status: Tax expired 1989.

DAD352T 2200 HL - Status: Currently taxed. Ex-Top Gear car.

DJL808V 2000 HL - Status: Currently on SORN.

DOL508W HLS - Status: Not on database, probably extinct.

DWS977W 2200 HLS - Status: Currently taxed.

EJL269V 2000 HL - Status: Currently taxed.

EOL810V 2200 HLS - Status: Currently taxed.

EOL837V 2200 HLS Automatic - Status: Currently on SORN

EWL123T 1700 L - Status: Not on database.

FAM854W 2200 HLS - Status: Tax expired February 2011. Now in Ireland.

FGD923T 1700 HL - Status: Tax expired 1996.

FOY64T 2200 HL - Status: Currently taxed.

GBT563W 1700 HL - Status: Currently taxed (I should know, it's mine).

GYN8W 1700 HLS Auto - Status: Tax expired 1990

HEC499T 2200 HLS - Status: Currently taxed.

HNB733V 2000 HLS - Status: Currently taxed.

HON607P - Status: Not on database, probably extinct.

HTA414V 2200 HL - Status: Currently taxed.

JDA741W 2200 HLS - Status: Tax expired 1991

JDU468V 2000 HLS - Status: Tax expired 2007. Now in Ireland.

JLW518V 2000 HL - Status: Currently taxed.

JOJ629W 1700 HL - Status: Tax expired 1997, saved for restoration 2004

KOE62W 2000 HLS - Status: Tax expired 2006

KRE197V HL - Status: Not on database.

KTG376W 2000 HL - Status: Tax expired 2006. Scrapped.

KVX866V 2000 HLS - Status: Tax expired 1997.

KWV441W 2200 HLS - Status: Currently taxed.

LCA711T 2000 HL - Status: Currently taxed.

LCW402W - Status: Ex-Preston Mayor car. Reg. No. now belongs to a Ford Cargo breakdown truck (lol)

MEL473W HL - Status: Reg. No. now belongs to BMW 1 series. Probably extinct.

MOL672X 2200 HLS - Status: Currently taxed.

MRW696V 2200 - Status: Tax expired 1996. From picture, likely now scrapped.

NMO49W - Status: Terry & June's car. Not on database.

NOG833X 2200 HL - Status: Currently taxed.

RFS73V 2000 HL - Status: Scrapped.

SLG131V 2000 HL - Status: Tax expired 1993

TBW648T 2200 HLS - Status: Tax expired 1991. Known to be scrapped.

TCM896V 1700 HL - Status: Currently taxed.

TGL567S 2200 HLS - Status: Currently taxed.

TGY699X 1700 HL - Status: Currently taxed.

TOC720S 2000 HL - Status: Tax expired 1984

TVP568S 2000 HL - Status: Tax expired 1989

UHA851X 1700 HL - Status: Currently taxed.

UJK424T 1700 HL - Status: Currently taxed.

UOD504X 1700 HL - Status: Tax expired 2011

VTX481S 2200 HLS (listed as Vanden Plas) - Status: Tax expired 1987

VUK 491S 2000 HL - Status: Tax expired 1989

WCO657V 1700 HL - Status: Currently taxed.

WSS783S Special Six - Status: Now in Ireland for use as spares vehicle.

XEM805W 2200 HLS - Status: Currently taxed.

XEV847X 1700 - Status: Currently taxed.

XGJ780W 2000 HL - Status: Tax expired 2010

XTY916T 1700 HL - Status: Currently taxed.

XWO108T 2200 HLS - Status: Currently taxed.

YBO167T L - Status: Not on database. Probably scrapped.

YCP663V 2200 HL Hearse - Status: Currently taxed.

YKH760X 1700 L - Status: Tax expired 1992. Police car.

YMT169T 2000 HL - Status: Currently taxed.

YNT755T 2000 HL - Status: Currently taxed.

 

6 Irish Cars

WSS783S - Status: Originally UK car, exported to use as spares vehicle. No picture available.

79D1200 2000 HLS - Status: Formerly UK car JDU468V

81D679 - Status: Probably original Irish car.

XLI181 1800 HL - Status: Original Irish car. No picture available.

ZV9450 2200 Special Six- Formerly UK car ADX227S

ZV9730 2200 HLS - Formerly UK car FAM854W

ZV22399 1800 HL- Status: Formerly UK car WEL850S

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@Albert: If that's not the same Morris in blue as I saw on the Princess forum (can't find the picture) then that means I now know of 3 Morris Princesses. They're really quite rare. Oh, and you caught my typo at the same time I did, I've corrected it now.

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Oh, he knows it's rare. He bought it and people thought he was mad, spunking all his savings on a new car, but he's kept it through thick and thin. I'd like to find him a rear seat back in black cloth... the sun has perished his original one. It's suffering, but he loves it to bits. He has an Ambastardor he uses for the odd spare here and there.... The last failure was a clutch hydraulic part, it took about 2 hours to sort including diagnosis. He's a top bloke, and I'd love to get him more active in the enthusiast scene, but he's the shy retiring type, and keeps himself to himself. He used to work at Inernational Harvester in Doncaster, on the production line....!!

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What manufacturer name are you using on the DVLA site? The Princess seems to be one of those cars that could be registered under various different names, i.e. British Leyland, Leyland Cars, BLMC etc. It might be worthwhile running some of those you couldn't find through http://www.cartell.ie to see if they come up under a different name.

 

EDIT: Just tried a couple: VUK491S comes up as 'Leyland Cars' and XEM805W as 'Austin Morris'.

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@Albert: I'll keep an eye out for a black seat, sometimes interior trim comes up through the club and I'm sure they'd be more than happy to help with preserving a Morris. The chap sounds like a bit of a winner to me, I like his ethos towards his car.

 

@quicksilver: I had been using Austin Morris which brings up the most results, and other variations on a theme, but not Leyland Cars so I'll give that a try when I go through the list again. I'll give that cartell link a go later too, see if I can fill any gaps in there.

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Prototypes/Pre-production

YJ0-71R - Prototype Morris 1800

YJ-71R-PrincessPrototype-1800.jpg

 

YJO71R is an oddball - it is chassis No.1 of the regular build and was kept by BL at the Cowley service department for dealer/mechanic training before being registered and sold. It is actually an Austin with the regular bonnet and Trapezoidal headlamps but was registered as a Morris in 1977 - by this time the 18/22 was neither an Austin or Morris 1800 but a Princess.

I bought it in 1994 a few days after buying a white prototype Morris, KJO350N. I sold both of them to Nick Larkin. The above pic was taken by either myself or Nick at L.C Hughes scrapyard where both cars were found.

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I'm sure I spotted a PVW-R registered Princess identical to the one that Trig spotted leaving the classic car show at the Museum of Rural Life a few weeks ago but didn't put two and two together at the time...

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Here's my mate's Morris, from my spottage thread. He's had it since new. It's called "Magic Hour" (Selwyn Froggett quote...... RIP Bill) and I am hoping to inherit it when he kicks the bucket...... but I doubt that I will... I'd rather he were alive TBH.

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I'm sure I spotted a blue Wedge near Donny Racecourse a couple of years back parked on a side street - if this is that car I must be up for the "Best unintended rarity spot that didn't prompt further investigation" award :(

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@rev: That's a great slice of info, I had the vaguest notion of the story behind that one, but you've filled out some of the details much better for me, thank you.

 

@michael t: yes please, I can then add a few more details to the database on what's out there.

 

I've found 76 cars at the time of writing, Just got to sort out the details on them all now. I'm also aware that some pictures are unreliable as the number plates on the cars don't necessarily match the car it's on. Oh, and I don't think I'm going to do anything with the Irish cars, I'm not sure how one goes about checking on those.

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Bear in mind it was probably 12 years back now but there was an absolutely mint Princess at a taxi firm in Llanidloes, Mid Wales. If you type Central Garage, Long Bridge St, Llanidloes, Powys, SY18 6EE into Google maps you'll see the place in question. It's a garage as well as a taxi firm so it could have been a customer's car. Long shot of all long shots but if you're bored one day it might be worth giving them a bell or something.

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