London to Brighton veteran run tomorrow.

[richardmorris]

Is anyone thinking of going to spectate? I’ve been down to staplefield before ( good bacon sandwiches ) but I’m struggling to drum up enthusiasm this weekend.

 

https://www.veterancarrun.com/?

[HillmanImp]

I used to go to as a kid. Sadly its a bit far for me now I've moved oop north. 

[tooSavvy]

Is 'Genevieve' still prafft..tat..tating along 🤔

🚙💨

[richardmorris]

Just now, tooSavvy said:

Is 'Genevieve' still prafft..tat..tating along 🤔

🚙💨

Was the last time I went.

[richardmorris]

[andrew e]

I’m tempted to watch the start and then come home, its ace if its misty and the old crocks are chugging along.

[High Jetter]

Have been around the finishing line on a couple of occasions, but am not really into that age of cars, though I appreciate them and their significance as well as the efforts needed to keep them running reliably.

[Three Speed]

May go to Staplefield - but probably not to be honest. Too many things to do

[Three Speed]

Done some of those things so just going to head overt here now for a  quick look.

[andrew e]

As a rule I don’t like leaving my house at work o’clock on a day off, but it’s such a spectacle If I’m free I jump on the first train. Out at Embankment, then stroll to Westminster, up past Whitehall through admiralty arch then along the Mall to Buck house (flag was up) before back on the tube at Green Park.

 

[andrew e]

Wacky races 😁

Getting prepped for Remembrance Day next week:

 Westminster:

 

 

[somewhatfoolish]

What does an entry-level Brighton  eligible shiter cost then? Anyone know?

[High Jetter]

31 minutes ago, somewhatfoolish said:

What does an entry-level Brighton  eligible shiter cost then? Anyone know?

I think it was said on a Bangers & Crash I saw recently that you'd need £20k - how true that is I don't know.

[The Old Bloke Next Door]

[Metal Guru]

17 minutes ago, The Old Bloke Next Door said:

Guess who’s going to be walking up the bigger hills!

[Three Speed]

1 hour ago, High Jetter said:

I think it was said on a Bangers & Crash I saw recently that you'd need £20k - how true that is I don't know.

I think you need to add a 1 in front of that.

[High Jetter]

1 hour ago, Three Speed said:

I think you need to add a 1 in front of that.

Wow, maybe I mis-remembered, thanks.

[richardmorris]

2 hours ago, Three Speed said:

I think you need to add a 1 in front of that.

Depends, most of them do one journey a year and are unusable anywhere else.

[Three Speed]

Cheaper than I thought.

I knew someone who had two VCC eligible cars. He knew it was ridiculous having two cars that he could really only use once a year.

I like to go and watch but when I do I hardly look at any of them. I’m looking at the stuff parked on the grass.

[Zelandeth]

2 hours ago, richardmorris said:

Depends, most of them do one journey a year and are unusable anywhere else.

Exactly this. Rarity, and some selling for millions doesn't necessarily mean that they all have that market value.  It's a very limited buyer pool, and I reckon with patience there are probably sensibly priced examples out there.  As with preserved bus/coaches there's a lot of buyers who don't realise quite what a commitment they've made until well after the purchase, and once the novelty wears off they realise they really don't want the hassle.

I was really surprised looking at the values of Model TS a couple of years ago.  If you're not too fussed about the exact year or body style, and don't need it in your drive NOW, £10k seems to be entirely achievable.

[richardmorris]

40 minutes ago, Three Speed said:

Cheaper than I thought.

I knew someone who had two VCC eligible cars. He knew it was ridiculous having two cars that he could really only use once a year.

I like to go and watch but when I do I hardly look at any of them. I’m looking at the stuff parked on the grass.

I’ve seen that Berkeley there before. Is the first one a Riley?

[richardmorris]

34 minutes ago, Zelandeth said:

Exactly this. Rarity, and some selling for millions doesn't necessarily mean that they all have that market value.  It's a very limited buyer pool, and I reckon with patience there are probably sensibly priced examples out there.  As with preserved bus/coaches there's a lot of buyers who don't realise quite what a commitment they've made until well after the purchase, and once the novelty wears off they realise they really don't want the hassle.

I was really surprised looking at the values of Model TS a couple of years ago.  If you're not too fussed about the exact year or body style, and don't need it in your drive NOW, £10k seems to be entirely achievable.

They built so many fords and being so basic lots survive I expect - in one state or another anyway.

[Three Speed]

Yes the first car is a Riley. The beige 3 wheeler is a Bond.

[lesapandre]

37 minutes ago, richardmorris said:

They built so many fords and being so basic lots survive I expect - in one state or another anyway.

Some of these Veteran and later cars have better control systems than others for enjoyable driving - the Model T - introduced 1908 works like this - left pedal controls the gears: when pressed all the way down, it engages the first gear; when halfway down, it's in neutral; and when released all the way up, it shifts the transmission to its top gear. The center pedal is for reverse, and the right pedal is the brake...

No idea how that would cope with modern stop-start traffic.

[Zelandeth]

17 minutes ago, lesapandre said:

Some of these Veteran and later cars have better control systems than others for enjoyable driving - the Model T - introduced 1908 works like this - left pedal controls the gears: when pressed all the way down, it engages the first gear; when halfway down, it's in neutral; and when released all the way up, it shifts the transmission to its top gear. The center pedal is for reverse, and the right pedal is the brake...

No idea how that would cope with modern stop-start traffic.

Probably better than you'd think.  While there's a definite period of acclimatisation I don't remember finding driving one anywhere near as difficult as I expected.  Though I do remember the rate at which you found yourself being propelled towards ~40mph as soon as you went into top gear the first time to be *slightly* alarming.  It feels bloody quick on wooden wheels in a cockpit that you could easily just slide out of (in the case of the one I drove anyway).  The hand throttle didn't throw me too much as I'd spent a fair few hours behind the wheel of a couple of ancient tractors while I was a kid (Massey 35 I think).

Certainly a lot less frenetic an experience than a couple of more "conventional" cars from that sort of era I've driven with massively heavy clutches, crash boxes and equally ineffective brakes.

While it seems an odd setup today, there wasn't much on the Model T that happened by accident, and I still reckon that with the kit they had in the day and aiming at the price point they were it was a pretty damned good compromise.

Imagine the biggest headache in stop start traffic these days would probably be keeping it cool and fuel vaporisation issues.

If I lived in a slightly less odd city and had the garage space I'd definitely consider one as a Sunday afternoon car.  ...Which I'd then end up also coming up with excuses to take out far more often than that, because I'm me. 

Realistically though, I don't think I'd ever consider anything made before the late 40s (yes I'm sure there are exceptions) as something I'd want to jump in and use "daily" as it's just way too much damned work!  Both prep, the actual driving experience, and the post-journey checks and such.

[comfortablynumb]

Bloody newfangled machines clogging up our nice city streets... 😁

[barrett]

10 hours ago, andrew e said:

 

9 hours ago, somewhatfoolish said:

What does an entry-level Brighton  eligible shiter cost then? Anyone know?

$12m for that one (probably the best Veteran car in the world, admittedly)

[richardmorris]

https://fb.watch/vDARplG8iX/?

[toolbagted]

Remember that a model t is to new to take part. The cheapest eligible car at the weekend's auction was £35 000, many were well over 100k.

[lesapandre]

48 minutes ago, richardmorris said:

https://fb.watch/vDARplG8iX/?

Sotheby's may be posh but their Eton tutor would give the no marks for that mangled usage.

Starting a sentence with 'and' and then a comma  - and then after that it's just gibberish.

It's not lead - it's led anyway.

Given there are no women in the picture it's even funnier.

'Ladies' is an awful usage - Ladies Automobile Club - sounds like their attitudes are stuck in 1904 too.

😂