Handsome bastard, GAME OVER!

[eddyramrod]

1 hour ago, DirtyDaily said:

3 hours ago, eddyramrod said:

Well... I've had it back a week now and been using it around town.  So far so good.  I've got a meet coming up at the Lakeland Motor Museum, that'll show up anything that's lurking.

Did they do anything about the compressor being noisy?

Yes, and it has improved matters a bit.  Apparently some of the rubbers mounting it to the body could have been better, so they've added some more.  They couldn't see how the compressor could be mounted wrong way about.  Anyway... it's better, I'm not planning to jinx it.

[eddyramrod]

Today (after a couple of days of sitting) Handsome went to the Lakeland Motor Museum, which is a good half-hour each way.  And spent nearly all of the trip showing me the EML and all the same messages on the dash.  So that's another £300 down the pan.

FFS.

This fucking thing is actively and specifically trying to destroy my mental health, precisely the opposite of its reason to exist.

[N Dentressangle]

What a piece of junk.

Has to be time for Ebay 99p start no reserve?

[eddyramrod]

5 hours ago, N Dentressangle said:

What a piece of junk.

Has to be time for Ebay 99p start no reserve?

In the early spring maybe, when it still has 9 months MoT.  Christmas?  Not a snowball's.

[eddyramrod]

Handsome has had a day in the garage today.  They're telling me they've tested all the air lines they could get to in the suspension, and found no leaks.  Yet still the suspension goes down, and takes time to pump up.

I mean... WTF else can it be?  Bloody thing really doesn't want to be fixed!

https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_1200379-Iveco-Ford-Cargo-1988.html

Anyone remember this episode of Minder?  Anyone want to do a live-action reconstruction?

[hairnet]

 

 

shhh

[BorniteIdentity]

1 hour ago, eddyramrod said:

Handsome has had a day in the garage today.  They're telling me they've tested all the air lines they could get to in the suspension, and found no leaks.  Yet still the suspension goes down, and takes time to pump up.

I mean... WTF else can it be?  Bloody thing really doesn't want to be fixed!

https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_1200379-Iveco-Ford-Cargo-1988.html

Anyone remember this episode of Minder?  Anyone want to do a live-action reconstruction?

Honestly, I would scrap it. You could carry on playing parts-darts until you’ve had a complete meltdown and the car is in piles of parts like a complete knockdown kit. It’ll still fuck you about.

Genuinely, for your own wellbeing, shitcan the ungrateful pile of tin. 

Unless you’re genuinely willing to throw thousands at it at a Jag specialist, please - for your sake - cut your losses. 

This comes from the very best of places. Life’s short. There are thousands of interesting and affordable cars out there. Ones that repay investment with years of loyal service. This isn’t one. 

[danthecapriman]

Shit!

Id tend to agree with the sentiment of just getting shot and taking what you can get.

Trouble is, you’re pretty well invested now so it’s not that easy. For scrap you’ll get a couple of hundred quid back which is fuck all. Even selling on eBay at no reserve isn’t likely to net much more with the fault still present.

Id definitely argue there isn’t much if anything that’s both interesting or affordable around nowadays either. You need a couple of grand to bag something that’s likely to be interesting now. Of course that depends what your opinion of interesting is.

I really don’t know what the solution is here without taking a hell of a loss.

[BorniteIdentity]

Sunk cost fallacy. “Just one more bet” begs the indebted gambler. He sees that long-shot being the way to clear his slate. Everyone else sees reality of the situation. 

Yes - another car of interest will be a couple of grand. It sounds like Eddie will struggle to drum that up. But to offer another perspective, that Jag isn’t actually a car right now. If you can’t use it as daily transport, and you can’t take it out for fun, and you can’t do all the things that cars do - then it’s not a car. 

I’ve been here. Recently. I had to ride 160 miles on the A14 on a moped to see my sick mother. The cars I had at the time were ornaments at the time. As helpful as the photo of my cat on the windowsill as transport.

You’ll feel the burden just slide away the second it’s gone. Then you can rebuild. 

[N Dentressangle]

Agreed. Ebay 99p no reserve or WBAC. Just get rid.

[eddyramrod]

1 hour ago, danthecapriman said:

I really don’t know what the solution is here without taking a hell of a loss.

I can't see that there is one.  I think I need a day or two of wound-licking and option-juggling.  Whatever the outcome, it's a financial negative, and a fucking big one.

[danthecapriman]

11 minutes ago, eddyramrod said:

I can't see that there is one.  I think I need a day or two of wound-licking and option-juggling.  Whatever the outcome, it's a financial negative, and a fucking big one.

I’m not an expert at all with systems like this, but surely if there’s no leaks on the pipes etc the fault has to still be with the pump or a valve? It must be absolutely infuriating!!

Isnt there an option to completely do away with the stupid air system in favour of something more standard? 
I’ve got air shocks/adjustable height on the Volvo rear end, which arent holding pressure anymore and my solution for that is to rip out all the air shocks, pipes & springs and fit standard shocks & springs in their place. Isn’t that an option on these Jag’s? 
That is, of course, ignoring the fact you’d have to buy and get fitted the new bits. Maybe a bit could be recouped selling the old parts?

[eddyramrod]

Just now, danthecapriman said:

Isnt there an option to completely do away with the stupid air system in favour of something more standard? 

My expertise doesn't extend that far.  It's a good idea; I've known people who did it on Land Rovers, for example.  But I don't even know if there was a non-air option in this shell at all.  If there wasn't, then it would have to be engineered from scratch, and even with, say, an XJ40 to strip, that's way more than I could do.  I'd be looking at doubling my investment, at least.  Probably just for the labour!

I like the thought, but it's never going to happen.

What most likely will happen (yet to be decided) is I'll just give up on the ungrateful fucker and get rid for whatever I can grab.

[danthecapriman]

5 minutes ago, eddyramrod said:

My expertise doesn't extend that far.  It's a good idea; I've known people who did it on Land Rovers, for example.  But I don't even know if there was a non-air option in this shell at all.  If there wasn't, then it would have to be engineered from scratch, and even with, say, an XJ40 to strip, that's way more than I could do.  I'd be looking at doubling my investment, at least.  Probably just for the labour!

I like the thought, but it's never going to happen.

What most likely will happen (yet to be decided) is I'll just give up on the ungrateful fucker and get rid for whatever I can grab.

On the plus side, it’s got decent MOT on it and can, in theory, be driven away.

What a massive bummer this has become though. 
Give it some thought, considering you’re basically back at square one means you’re probably going to be starting over entirely if you decide to repair. Cutting your losses for the sake of sanity and drawing a line under the damn thing might well be your best bet? 
It still should net you some money back even selling as it is so your not completely screwed.

[Wibble]

It’s harsh on a dealer but isn’t this the time to let it get to ride height and px the thing?  As you’ve eluded to before? They’re only going to give you peanuts and throw it through an auction but at least it’s gone. Doesn’t even have to be for a car you want, you can change that straight after. What a shitter though, I love these Jags🙁

[EspenO]

How intrusive is the restricted performance thing? Is it crippling the car, or is it just going to Polo 1,2 levels of power and still essentially driveable?

I suppose what I’m really asking if you can adopt a «Fuck it, the thing is broken but I can still get some use out of it» mindset?  Ignore the warning lights and carry on as far as it will go.

[eddyramrod]

Just now, EspenO said:

How intrusive is the restricted performance thing? Is it crippling the car, or is it just going to Polo 1,2 levels of power and still essentially driveable?

I suppose what I’m really asking if you can adopt a «Fuck it, the thing is broken but I can still get some use out of it» mindset?  Ignore the warning lights and carry on as far as it will go.

That's what I've been doing, as much as possible.  For a good 18 months now, sort of.  I went through a long phase last year of just not driving it, and then I thought, well this doesn't make any sense, and pressed it back into use.  Restricted Performance effectively just means it won't rev much beyond 2500, so even at that it's a pretty decent thing on these narrow, crowded farm tracks that have A-numbers attached.  Mostly all it has to do is pootle around town, which tbf is no life for a Jag anyway; it goes to the Lakeland Motor Museum once a month, which is 17 miles each way.  And that's it.  I actually could live without owning a car.  I never thought it would be a Jag that makes me decide that.

[Dobloseven]

It's not doing your mental health any good,is it?What would be the best way to get rid,though?Pity you didn't park it outside ours on Saturday evening!

[Wibble]

3 minutes ago, Dobloseven said:

It's not doing your mental health any good,is it?What would be the best way to get rid,though?Pity you didn't park it outside ours on Saturday evening!

Laughing not laughing 😬

[eddyramrod]

2 minutes ago, Dobloseven said:

What would be the best way to get rid,though?

And there is the........... well not so much the $64000 question, more like the £6.40 question.  I'll let you know if I find an answer.  More to the point, I just read your post.  Are you OK?

 

[Dobloseven]

Just now, eddyramrod said:

And there is the........... well not so much the $64000 question, more like the £6.40 question.  I'll let you know if I find an answer.  More to the point, I just read your post.  Are you OK?

 

Quite achy and stiff,but yes, basically all right,thanks.Keep trying to get youngest son interested in the Jaguar,but he's now convinced that £500 is enough to spend on a car.Can't imagine where he gets that idea from!

[Crackers]

Reading this thread is honestly agonising, Eddy you just need to get rid of this car and cut your losses. It doesn't want to be fixed and you're throwing good money after bad trying to sort it out. 

Get it off to a breaker and get something small and simple off here - there is (was?) a 1.9PD Polo on the For Sale section for sub-£1k which would do everything you need perfectly with almost zero running costs. 

From one owner of a knacked Jag to another - get out! 

[BorniteIdentity]

10 hours ago, eddyramrod said:

That's what I've been doing, as much as possible.  For a good 18 months now, sort of.  I went through a long phase last year of just not driving it, and then I thought, well this doesn't make any sense, and pressed it back into use.  Restricted Performance effectively just means it won't rev much beyond 2500, so even at that it's a pretty decent thing on these narrow, crowded farm tracks that have A-numbers attached.  Mostly all it has to do is pootle around town, which tbf is no life for a Jag anyway; it goes to the Lakeland Motor Museum once a month, which is 17 miles each way.  And that's it.  I actually could live without owning a car.  I never thought it would be a Jag that makes me decide that.

I honestly think January is the perfect time to just throw it in the bin and rebuild.  A new start.  Do you really want another year of limping an old, ungrateful Jag around? Throwing money into it that could be spent on other hobbies or projects? It would be a shame to waste another year of precious life on it, being in exactly the same place this time next year - albeit with more money sunk into it and little to no return?

Good luck with whatever you decide to do, but I would really encourage you to make a positive change. 

[captain_70s]

The issue with the Jag is it wasn't a particularly simple car when new and comanded premium car repair/service costs. This is still the case, but the car is worthless and old.

EBay is full of old XJs struggling to fetch £2k even in decent nick.

[Dobloseven]

Seems our eddy has a brand new Peugeot at his disposal,but likes to have an interesting car to make him feel good.But this is like having an "Emotional Support Dog" that shits in the house and bites your arse when you bend down to clear it up!

[BorniteIdentity]

2 minutes ago, Dobloseven said:

Seems our eddy has a brand new Peugeot at his disposal,but likes to have an interesting car to make him feel good.

I understand this.  Eduardo has been around old cars his whole life.  It can feel like things are slipping away when one day you've got an old American land yacht outside and the next minute it's a Disability Peugeot.  

Also - if you prefer older cars, you prefer older cars.  I had a Nissan Leaf company car in my last job which was brilliant.  I'd still find myself grabbing the keys to my Rav or Mini to go on appointments because they made me smile.

However, an old Jag is like your attractive Ex Wife.  It takes your money, but you don't get to ride it any more. 

[SiC]

I'm going to say the opposite to everyone else... 

I say do as you're doing, keep it and just drive it. My view would have been different if it was letting you down by not going places, but at least this is moving under its own power. Yeah you might not trust it for a drive down to Cornwall but given it's appetite for fuel, I presume this isn't a journey you'd make in this car. 

If you're selling it, you're going to take a bath whether it's completely dead or in it's current partially broken state. So you're not going to loose anything more if you're using it and it does kack out.

However one I thing I will say is don't put any more money into it!

Just trundle around in it and ignore the warning. It might start sorting itself out if used a bit more. If it does kack out in a big way and not able to go anywhere, then that's when I think is a good time to bin it. 

[Dobloseven]

9 minutes ago, BorniteIdentity said:

I understand this.  Eduardo has been around old cars his whole life.  It can feel like things are slipping away when one day you've got an old American land yacht outside and the next minute it's a Disability Peugeot.  

Also - if you prefer older cars, you prefer older cars.  I had a Nissan Leaf company car in my last job which was brilliant.  I'd still find myself grabbing the keys to my Rav or Mini to go on appointments because they made me smile.

However, an old Jag is like your attractive Ex Wife.  It takes your money, but you don't get to ride it any more. 

I always think old cars are great, especially if you've got a newer one to use as well.Or got a lot of old ones,so hopefully at least one is operational at any time.Doesn't always work that way though! Perhaps HMC,who I believe eddy swapped the Jag for the Cadillac with has got it right.

[dome]

11 minutes ago, SiC said:

I'm going to say the opposite to everyone else... 

I say do as you're doing, keep it and just drive it. My view would have been different if it was letting you down by not going places, but at least this is moving under its own power. Yeah you might not trust it for a drive down to Cornwall but given it's appetite for fuel, I presume this isn't a journey you'd make in this car. 

If you're selling it, you're going to take a bath whether it's completely dead or in it's current partially broken state. So you're not going to loose anything more if you're using it and it does kack out.

However one I thing I will say is don't put any more money into it!

Just trundle around in it and ignore the warning. It might start sorting itself out if used a bit more. If it does kack out in a big way and not able to go anywhere, then that's when I think is a good time to bin it. 

I get what your saying but with the negative impact this has had on his wallet and mental health then I don't think he'll be able to relax and enjoy it.

I'm with the folk who say a well written advert and some decent pictures and get it on ebay with a 99p start price. 

It's either that or find another garage who are willing to take it on, although Eddie has said that there's not much around him. And that of course means more money....

[eddyramrod]

17 minutes ago, SiC said:

I'm going to say the opposite to everyone else... 

I say do as you're doing, keep it and just drive it. My view would have been different if it was letting you down by not going places, but at least this is moving under its own power. Yeah you might not trust it for a drive down to Cornwall but given it's appetite for fuel, I presume this isn't a journey you'd make in this car. 

If you're selling it, you're going to take a bath whether it's completely dead or in it's current partially broken state. So you're not going to loose anything more if you're using it and it does kack out.

However one I thing I will say is don't put any more money into it!

Just trundle around in it and ignore the warning. It might start sorting itself out if used a bit more. If it does kack out in a big way and not able to go anywhere, then that's when I think is a good time to bin it. 

That is pretty much what I'm doing.

You're bang-on about the longer trips too, anywhere beyond the Motor Museum and the Motability bin gets the job.  It isn't so much about the fuel, I mean I did take Huggy down to Portsmouth twice!

Those who have spotted the effect on my mental health, you are also bang-on.  I live in a town full of banger racers, some of whom I can call friends.  There's every chance it'll end up on the oval.  Got to have a worst-case fallback, right?