2006 Toyota Land Cruiser - GONE!

[St.Jude]

Here’s a taster of this nonsense.

Are we unique in checking the cost of tax and the MOT history of a vehicle before purchasing? 

[Dobloseven]

Wasn't the thought a while back that people were buying these to export, possibly to Africa or somewhere? Or do they only want certain models? Or are they better off than us now and can afford newer stuff?

[St.Jude]

1 hour ago, Dobloseven said:

Wasn't the thought a while back that people were buying these to export, possibly to Africa or somewhere? Or do they only want certain models? Or are they better off than us now and can afford newer stuff?

I had one guy call me last week saying he was looking to export it to Africa. I’ve had another say it was going to Pakistan for a conversion. Apparently there is a trade over there where they take the 120 and change it all to look like a new 150/200 series.

So there is a market but I think possibly it’s for the lesser spec’Ed cars.

[St.Jude]

Should also say that the guy I screenshotted above has shown a bit more interest at which point I said he can call me tomorrow for a proper talk about it, but I’m not accepting lower than the price as someone is already keen on it. He said he’ll call me tomorrow.

We will see.

[Matty]

2 hours ago, St.Jude said:

Here’s a taster of this nonsense.

Are we unique in checking the cost of tax and the MOT history of a vehicle before purchasing? 

I might be alone in this but over a certain age do your research then it's caveat emptor. Anything could happen. Where these halfwits are coming from I've no idea.

[mat_the_cat]

On 07/03/2025 at 14:04, Steve79 said:

Just make sure one of them doesn't tip a stealthy bottle of oil into the header tank while you're not looking.

#romanianactivities

Mate of mie was selling a car, two blokes viewing, one goes through the service history with him while the other checks under the bonnet. Takes it for a test drive and it's smoking like crazy so they offer him a derisory amount for it. Fortunatey he stands his ground, only to find they've popped off an intake hose and sloshed some oil in there!

[St.Jude]

So of course, Mr.relies-on-the-seller-for-MOT-info is a no show. Or at least no communicado. Had another one message who seems to have owned a Land Cruiser before asking for the reg as he couldn’t find the MOT history.

Stuck it on C&C, because why not.

Have also thought about contacting the dealer I bought it from to see if he’d be interested in buying it and just punting it off to auction.

[dome]

I feel your pain. I advertised my Grand Cherokee yesterday and whilst not too bad yet there's definitely a few wallopers circling.

 

[St.Jude]

I’ve read the GS sales thread and the Passat one, and genuinely feel from now on if I can’t buy a car new enough to punt on Motorway in the future then I’m going to get a car cheap enough that scrapping it wouldn’t be a massive financial loss either.

Just to avoid these fucking mouth breathers.

And Grand Cherokee? Got a link @dome?

[dome]

I've not updated my thread for a while but in usual me fashion after spending about 18 months and far too much money on it getting it right* I've stuck it up for sale 

https://www.gumtree.com/p/cars-vans-motorbikes/jeep-grand-cherokee-overland-ho-47-lpg-mot-december-loads-spent/1494507828

Pics flatter it but it would probably polish up quite well. It's far from perfect but it drives well. 

[N Dentressangle]

I had some real timewasters when I sold the Metro. Total arseholes, whom it was a pleasure to block on Facebook.

Buying / selling a s/h car should be very easy. Don't tell loads of fucking lies, or pretend you're Alan Bloody Sugar, and turn up when you say you will. 

Everything has to be a Trump-style zero sum game these days, with one side getting shafted and the other side a steal. Can't both agree a price they're OK with? It's so much nicer that way.

[St.Jude]

It’s lovely @dome And quite agree @N Dentressangle, I used to blame Mike Brewer for it but it’s far more widespread isn’t it?

I wonder if Mr.relies-on-the-seller-for-MOT-info is a member here because after I wrote that he sent a message, and an offer. Apparently today was a no show because he couldn’t get a lift or some shit. Has made an offer which is about the rock bottom I’d take.

Have messaged him back asking when is he intending to pick it up, after which he’s going to have to give a deposit. Not getting in to this shit where I accept the offer and the advert gets canned because a no hoper has changed their mind.

[lesapandre]

The thing that did strike me (having looked at a post 2001 car to buy for the first time in ages) - is how illiquid the old car market has gradually become.

I'm assuming this LC is CO2 band L - £710 per annum. With insurance of say £1000 -  any punter is looking at £1700 before anything happens - add in say a £50 rail fare + £50 fuel to get home and the basic on-costs could be a theoretical £1800 + the purchase price.

I say this because in the 'good old days' you bought a car with tax on it until it ran out and it was one flat rate. If there was plenty of tax it made a car sometimes a bargain.

There was none of this continues insurance either - if you had a hand written one day 'cover note' from a broker you could get the vehicle home to fettle and as long as it was off road that was fine. None of this SORN either.

It's all got so costly upfront.

Looking at the new VED rates from April 2024 it is clear to me that Government wants to tax these post 2001 cohort off the road because of their CO2 output.

But I still think you should find a sale with your Landcruiser because these are so useful. Surprised no horsey or farming folk have made an approach.

Try some of the classic tractor, old commercial vehicle and horsey and farming sites. May find a better audience there. The kind of people who need it properly. 

New VED rates are here:

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/6603f64b13397a0011e419be/v149-rates-of-vehicle-tax-for-cars-motorcycles-light-goods-vehicles-and-private-light-goods-vehicles.pdf

Good luck with this. 🍀👍

[lesapandre]

1 hour ago, St.Jude said:

It’s lovely @dome And quite agree @N Dentressangle, I used to blame Mike Brewer for it but it’s far more widespread isn’t it?

I wonder if Mr.relies-on-the-seller-for-MOT-info is a member here because after I wrote that he sent a message, and an offer. Apparently today was a no show because he couldn’t get a lift or some shit. Has made an offer which is about the rock bottom I’d take.

Have messaged him back asking when is he intending to pick it up, after which he’s going to have to give a deposit. Not getting in to this shit where I accept the offer and the advert gets canned because a no hoper has changed their mind.

Can't be a member on here - has not offered you something unusual in P/X 🤣

[artdjones]

3 hours ago, lesapandre said:

But I still think you should find a sale with your Landcruiser because these are so useful. Surprised no horsey or farming folk have made an approach.

Try some of the classic tractor, old commercial vehicle and horsey and farming sites. May find a better audience there. The kind of people who need it properly. 

This is true. You're selling a jeep that can tow 3.5 tons, so great for moving vehicles, large trailers with silage bales, and horseboxes. 

[lesapandre]

Yes - I think the first two things a genuine buyer should ask are does the 4-wheel drive work without problems and what are the condition of tyres IMHO. Rust is always 'a question' but is very subjective.

£4600 is a very fair price for a tidy LC that's had expenditure and with MoT. Not a lot of viable ones about below that.

[St.Jude]

11 hours ago, artdjones said:

This is true. You're selling a jeep that can tow 3.5 tons, so great for moving vehicles, large trailers with silage bales, and horseboxes. 

It can only do 2.8t, which surprised me. I don't think they could do 3.5t until the 150/200 series. Not sure about the 100 series, but the 120 can only do 2.8t.

10 hours ago, lesapandre said:

Yes - I think the first two things a genuine buyer should ask are does the 4-wheel drive work without problems and what are the condition of tyres IMHO. Rust is always 'a question' but is very subjective.

£4600 is a very fair price for a tidy LC that's had expenditure and with MoT. Not a lot of viable ones about below that.

Well, Mr.relies-on-the-seller-for-MOT-info called me 15 minutes ago talking about it. In fairness to him he does have the 100% feedback on eBay with over 320+ things, and he sounded fairly genuine. He's more concerned about the engine and the gearbox and the rust. That is subjective really and all I've ever said it's typical of the age of car and the welding that was needed has been done although if I didn't point it out to you you would probably not see it, and in my mind that's the sign of a good job. His point of view is that he's gone to see one that was described as fantastic but he could put his hand throught he chassis. I'm fairly confident he won't get that. And the engine is good etc.

So he's coming tomorrow. Told him I won't take the advert down until I've money in my account, he's happy with that.

[Dobloseven]

Surprised at the low towing limit.I know horse botherers like big numbers.My son scoffs at my Rexton that does 3000kg,whereas their Toaureg can pull 3500kg.

[robt100]

Sounds like you may finally get to the end of this selling saga!

I must say, I feel your pain. Having sold my Capri in 2023 (including a winning bid no-contact on ebay), then getting the T5 transporter sold, it was nothing but trouble and timewasting for the majority, or silly questions that were answered in the Ad, or could be done in 30seconds yourself (like the MOT history). Both of these were advertised on the internet.

Easiest sale I had was the corolla, apart from on here I parked it up outside the corner shop with a sign in the window. Sold in 2 days after parking it! The guy needed a stop-gap whilst his car was in for major MOT welding repairs, looked at it for 5 mins, drove it round the block, gave me the asking price in cash. Whole thing must have taken no more than 20mins. Seems not being able to hide behind using text to communicate whittles out the idiots, who knew! As a side note, when trying to look up the corolla MOT history, it seems to suggest the number plate doesn't exist? Dare I ask if that means scrapped 😬

Hopefully Mr.relies-on-the-seller-for-MOT-info will come good tomorrow 👍

[Agila]

6 minutes ago, robt100 said:

Dare I ask if that means scrapped 😬

Might have had a private plate put on.

[robt100]

21 minutes ago, Agila said:

Might have had a private plate put on.

I guess....not sure who would do that on a 1998 toyota corolla 3dr though😅

[artdjones]

12 minutes ago, robt100 said:

I guess....not sure who would do that on a 1998 toyota corolla 3dr though😅

It's probably gone to Africa in a container. Hopefully in one piece. The pre VVTi engine would be sought after, although any old Toyota in reasonable shape would have a market.  

[St.Jude]

38 minutes ago, robt100 said:

I guess....not sure who would do that on a 1998 toyota corolla 3dr though😅

I nearly did when I thought my private was at the end of retention...

[Agila]

Possibly gone to Ireland as they seem to love retro Toyota's so hopefully it's gone to a good home either way.

[warninglight]

23 hours ago, lesapandre said:

Looking at the new VED rates from April 2024 it is clear to me that Government wants to tax these post 2001 cohort off the road because of their CO2 output

In fairness it looks like the 2001-2017 rates haven't really changed, but for a 2024 on car of the same emissions, the VED price is astronomical.

I hope this is finally the sale you've been waiting for!

[St.Jude]

1 hour ago, warninglight said:

In fairness it looks like the 2001-2017 rates haven't really changed, but for a 2024 on car of the same emissions, the VED price is astronomical.

I hope this is finally the sale you've been waiting for!

When the wife was car shopping she really wanted a Mercedes GLB. The 2 she looked at were both a few years old and both 1.3 petrols. And both of them cost the same in tax as this Land Cruiser. 

At least with the Land Cruiser I know it’s a 3 litre diesel and heavy as fuck. That Merc has a rubber band petrol thing that was the same size as my old Corolla - which £270!

[Dobloseven]

23 minutes ago, St.Jude said:

When the wife was car shopping she really wanted a Mercedes GLB. The 2 she looked at were both a few years old and both 1.3 petrols. And both of them cost the same in tax as this Land Cruiser. 

At least with the Land Cruiser I know it’s a 3 litre diesel and heavy as fuck. That Merc has a rubber band petrol thing that was the same size as my old Corolla - which £270!

How much does it weigh ?Parkers come up with 1980kg,which sounds a bit light to me.My Rexton, completely empty on a weighbridge is 2100kg.Do get a nice feeling with the £190 tax though!

[St.Jude]

13 hours ago, Dobloseven said:

How much does it weigh ?Parkers come up with 1980kg,which sounds a bit light to me.My Rexton, completely empty on a weighbridge is 2100kg.Do get a nice feeling with the £190 tax though!

I've no idea to be honest. It was between the GLB and the Kia Sportage. The Kia had £190 a year tax and had more in the way of toys. It was a head over heart decision for her. She loved her old Merc (I hated it), she liked the GLB she had for a hire car while her Merc was broken (I didn't). But it makes sense practically for her as the Merc was a bit more money for less and would be more to tax etc. The Kia is perfectly fine, feels rather upmarket (I think it's better in terms of materials and controls than the Merc), but when you boot it on an overtake it goes but it's not like the Merc.

Anywoo. This chap is about an hour away at the moment. I've had another call from someone local looking for a "shunter". Have told the shunter bloke that someone is on their way to it but if they don't go for it I'll call him back. 

I'm confident it'll go today either way.

[Dobloseven]

Meant the weight of the Land cruiser!Some  caravan dealers use 4x4s for moving the vans round in the yards.Or there's places where they site vans that the owners leave stored all year round.Our local dealer used a Daihatsu Four Trak with a tow ball on the front as well.

[St.Jude]

50 minutes ago, Dobloseven said:

Meant the weight of the Land cruiser!Some  caravan dealers use 4x4s for moving the vans round in the yards.Or there's places where they site vans that the owners leave stored all year round.Our local dealer used a Daihatsu Four Trak with a tow ball on the front as well.

I think it's about 2.4t in weight.

Well Mr.relies-on-the-seller-for-MOT-info turned up and got funny I wouldn't let him drive it without showing me his insurance. Then started to act the bollocks saying it would need welding as the sills look rotten etc. What does he fucking expect from a 20 year old Toyota at that price point that he (apparently) knows about?

Have rang the shunter bloke and we'll see with him.