invacar LightBulbFun's Invacar & general ramble thread, index on page 1, survivors lists on Pages 24/134 & AdgeCutler's Invacar Mk12 Restoration from Page 186 onwards, still harping on...

[warren t claim]

  On 25/09/2024 at 22:12, Erebus said:

No!  Like I said, I agree with what you're saying but he's not going to listen.  He's an adult and you're just making him more determined.  Your conscience and everyone else's should be clear

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I don't want to see @LightBulbFun get killed or seriously injured. Is that such a bad thing?

[Erebus]

  On 25/09/2024 at 22:14, warren t claim said:

I don't want to see @LightBulbFun get killed or seriously injured. Is that such a bad thing?

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No, not at all, but it's been said a million times and at the end of the day it's up to him and I really think it's just making him more determined.  Plus I think he's well and truly sick of hearing it 

[warren t claim]

  On 25/09/2024 at 22:24, Erebus said:

No, not at all, but it's been said a million times and at the end of the day it's up to him and I really think it's just making him more determined.  Plus I think he's well and truly sick of hearing it 

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I agree that he's entitled to do whatever he wants but many on here are posting advice because the actually care, myself included.

[High Jetter]

  On 25/09/2024 at 20:05, warren t claim said:

@High Jetter I thought my monologue was pretty valid TBH.

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It was, but several pages of irrelevance (Camel reference, #obscure) diluted the essence. Well composed, as usual 

[warren t claim]

  On 25/09/2024 at 22:34, High Jetter said:

It was, but several pages of irrelevance (Camel reference, #obscure) diluted the essence. Well composed, as usual 

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This is normal for AS.

[LightBulbFun]

  On 25/09/2024 at 22:28, warren t claim said:

I agree that he's entitled to do whatever he wants but many on here are posting advice because the actually care, myself included.

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respectfully I am going to disagree on this one

I dont doubt that there are people who post against my ideas because they actually do care about my well being and genuinely think "I like this chap but I dont think thats a good idea",

however I think its pretty clear from peoples attitudes and the way people take the piss out of me, and Invacars, that people are doing this because they dont like me or my goals or the things I am involved in. and I am not saying those who antagonise me/dont like me or my cause, dont care at about my well being, but I dont think concern for my welling being really is a major driving point in how they act 

for the simple fact I fail to see how ridiculing and taking the piss out of someone, quite relentlessly so, is "because they actually care" 

like in school its bullies and people doing things to appeal to others in their peer group at the expense of the weird kid, case in point this whole Invacar vs Invacare thing, I think its pretty well established how much that bothers me, so of course all the people who dont like me and are against me in my endeavours have now started spelling invacar that way, is that not directly a form of antagonism? "lets do something we know the other party does not like!" and along similar lines all the posts/questions that are designed to try and provoke a response from me (I very much appreciate all those who answer/call out these posts on my behalf)

 

in-fact your a prime example @warren t claim I know that you do care about me to some degree, you where generally very kind and helpful when I was looking into the feasibility of the whole Taxi WAV thing, but I also know that you frequently take the piss out of me and my antics or go off topic in this thread because its funny to you and the people in your peer group 

 

in the end I am still just the Target of the school playground

 

I think nothing showcases the school playground nature of things of then when literally as part of a forum game, I posted my invacar (you know, because its my car!) and a member *left the forum* for a time because of it

https://autoshite.com/topic/7904-autoshite-top-trumps-nominate-your-car/page/11/

its literally like how when "the weird kid" shows up to take part in a game being played and everyone packs up and leaves

and TBH thats what saddens upsets and depresses me the most really, that this sort of thing happens on *Autoshite* the one place I thought I could hang out around and finally not have to deal with this sort of thing, finally a group who understands my weird obsessions, but no, I get ridiculed/berated  all the same...

as you said yourself...

  On 19/09/2024 at 01:37, warren t claim said:

You'd hope that as everyone in the world of work is an adult workplace bullying wouldn't be a thing.

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[DVee8]

Have a look at, @MAF260 's post in the News24 thread on how a modern BMW withstood a head on. I have the same car on the drive.

[Snake Charmer]

  On 25/09/2024 at 21:12, lesapandre said:

Of course the imposition of Motorway speed limits were all AC Cars fault...all roads lead back to Invacar in the end - a kinda automotive two-degrees of separation.

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No speed limit and some Nimby complains.

[wuvvum]

  On 25/09/2024 at 21:14, warren t claim said:

It's fair to assume that your dad drove an E28 BMW 525e.

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Four stroke engine innit.  Piston is only getting hammered every second revolution.

[lesapandre]

  On 26/09/2024 at 01:54, LightBulbFun said:

respectfully I am going to disagree on this one

I dont doubt that there are people who post against my ideas because they actually do care about my well being and genuinely think "I like this chap but I dont think thats a good idea",

however I think its pretty clear from peoples attitudes and the way people take the piss out of me, and Invacars, that people are doing this because they dont like me or my goals or the things I am involved in. and I am not saying those who antagonise me/dont like me or my cause, dont care at about my well being, but I dont think concern for my welling being really is a major driving point in how they act 

for the simple fact I fail to see how ridiculing and taking the piss out of someone, quite relentlessly so, is "because they actually care" 

like in school its bullies and people doing things to appeal to others in their peer group at the expense of the weird kid, case in point this whole Invacar vs Invacare thing, I think its pretty well established how much that bothers me, so of course all the people who dont like me and are against me in my endeavours have now started spelling invacar that way, is that not directly a form of antagonism? "lets do something we know the other party does not like!" and along similar lines all the posts/questions that are designed to try and provoke a response from me (I very much appreciate all those who answer/call out these posts on my behalf)

 

in-fact your a prime example @warren t claim I know that you do care about me to some degree, you where generally very kind and helpful when I was looking into the feasibility of the whole Taxi WAV thing, but I also know that you frequently take the piss out of me and my antics or go off topic in this thread because its funny to you and the people in your peer group 

 

in the end I am still just the Target of the school playground

 

I think nothing showcases the school playground nature of things of then when literally as part of a forum game, I posted my invacar (you know, because its my car!) and a member *left the forum* for a time because of it

https://autoshite.com/topic/7904-autoshite-top-trumps-nominate-your-car/page/11/

its literally like how when "the weird kid" shows up to take part in a game being played and everyone packs up and leaves

and TBH thats what saddens upsets and depresses me the most really, that this sort of thing happens on *Autoshite* the one place I thought I could hang out around and finally not have to deal with this sort of thing, finally a group who understands my weird obsessions, but no, I get ridiculed/berated  all the same...

as you said yourself...

 

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 @LightBulbFun I use the 'ignore users' facility for the posters I don't wish to follow - it can be set to various types of post and I can still opt to look at individual posts etc - or switch off whenever.

Just means I don't follow some commentators and their posts. Very useful.

 

[BorniteIdentity]

Sorry, but there’s a risk of straying into some very dangerous territory here. 

Someone who presents a well informed, well meaning opinion that contradicts your own can not just be disregarded as a bully. What a ridiculous notion. 

Everything I see here comes with avuncular affection and wisdom. It’s not bullying, it just doesn’t fit your rather naive and narrow narrative. 

Fine, there’s a few of us here you don’t like. Cool. Kden. But when even people like Talbot pipe up and blow your argument to smithereens, you still disregard it. What is he? A bully? Hate Crimer? 

Ultimately, of course, it’s your life. But if someone was filling my eldest son’s head with nonsense, I’d be offering feedback to them. 

This is a terrible idea. 

[lesapandre]

I just looked - I have decided not to follow 28 posters currently - I shall have to consider an early release scheme 😂

[BorniteIdentity]

Why block people? It’s the internet? Genuinely: what’s the worst a contrary opinion could do to you? Are you worried about physical pain or whether you might be radicalised?

There’s always a danger you might learn something? Change your mind? 

Bonkers I know…

[chadders]

  On 26/09/2024 at 07:44, BorniteIdentity said:

Sorry, but there’s a risk of straying into some very dangerous territory here. 

Someone who presents a well informed, well meaning opinion that contradicts your own can not just be disregarded as a bully. What a ridiculous notion. 

Everything I see here comes with avuncular affection and wisdom. It’s not bullying, it just doesn’t fit your rather naive and narrow narrative. 

Fine, there’s a few of us here you don’t like. Cool. Kden. But when even people like Talbot pipe up and blow your argument to smithereens, you still disregard it. What is he? A bully? Hate Crimer? 

Ultimately, of course, it’s your life. But if someone was filling my eldest son’s head with nonsense, I’d be offering feedback to them. 

This is a terrible idea. 

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That's what adults and especially parents do.

It might not be, and often isn't popular, but it might have prevented the Alvis Stalwart saga reaching its unfortunate conclusion if people hadn't been shouted down for being negative.

[chadders]

  On 26/09/2024 at 07:55, BorniteIdentity said:

Why block people? It’s the internet? Genuinely: what’s the worst a contrary opinion could do to you? Are you worried about physical pain or whether you might be radicalised?

There’s always a danger you might learn something? Change your mind? 

Bonkers I know…

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I'll be honest I block a couple on here as their posts are invariably at least 3 or 4 lengthy paragraphs long and I always lose the will to live before I get to the point, if in fact there is one.

I'm sure people on here block me but as an ex boss of mine once said "you're confusing me with someone who gives a shit".

[lesapandre]

They are not blocked - their contribution still comes up on the timeline and the facility allows me to look at individual posts whenever.

There is a lot of content on this site - and the material that some posters put up is not of interest to me. 

So overall it's a useful editing process which is built into the website.

It is also more widely a protection against malefactors - they populate all corners of t'web.

[OhNoWhatHaveIDone]

  On 24/09/2024 at 10:29, plasticvandan said:

Having been around these things for 25 years,and the original scrapping directives from 1997-2003,no, these vehicles were collected in to be scrapped,being property of the dhss,the repairer or scrap merchant being required to return the chassis plate as proof of the vehicle being scrapped,as they were not to be sold to the public.cars given to museums during this period having to sign a document stating the car was not to be used on the road.as time wore on and the dhss realised that many scrap merchants weren't fulfilling their obligations,they were collected directly by the dhss from users so they could be destroyed. Some people did have their cars taken off them having "acquired" them after the 2003 date. It was only a pleasure on behalf of the older incumbent of the invalid carriage register that effectively got a pardon for remaining cars to be re registered for the road.

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One bows to ones expertise, however, said contractors would not have offered their services for free!  so the property changes hands for money, SOLD.  and so on....irrespective, once something is sold, usually unless it is land of buildings the purchaser is free to do with it what they wish.....selling within it they wish........

[OhNoWhatHaveIDone]

  On 24/09/2024 at 15:44, warren t claim said:

Fucking

Unsafe

Deathtrap?

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Why are you actually here?  All you seem to do is goad @lightbulbfun who is a good guy, and slate invacars..... Some people like them, if you dont, deal with it!

[Sheefag]

  On 26/09/2024 at 08:35, OhNoWhatHaveIDone said:

so the property changes hands for money, SOLD.  and so on....irrespective, once something is sold, usually unless it is land of buildings the purchaser is free to do with it what they wish.....selling within it they wish........

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This is a popular myth, but it remains a myth all the same.

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When goods are stolen, the person who originally owned them is still the legal owner.

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https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/scotland/consumer/somethings-gone-wrong-with-a-purchase/stolen-goods-s1/

[Sheefag]

There is a reasonable argument to be had that this is covered by Section 22 of the Theft Act, with attendant penalties.

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(1)A person handles stolen goods if (otherwise than in the course of the stealing) knowing or believing them to be stolen goods he dishonestly receives the goods, or dishonestly undertakes or assists in their retention, removal, disposal or realisation by or for the benefit of another person, or if he arranges to do so ...

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https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1968/60

[chadders]

  On 26/09/2024 at 08:44, Sheefag said:

This is a popular myth, but it remains a myth all the same.

https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/scotland/consumer/somethings-gone-wrong-with-a-purchase/stolen-goods-s1/

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Very much so as when you read of someone spending £10,000s on a Lotus Cortina mk2 or whatever only to find out it's owned by the insurance company that paid out for a theft claim 40 years earlier.

[somewhatfoolish]

  On 26/09/2024 at 08:47, Sheefag said:

There is a reasonable argument that this is covered by Section 22 of the Theft Act with attendant penalties.

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1968/60/section/22

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You could clean up at the average 'spoons at breakfast time; most of the sticks and crutches on display will be misappropriated NHS property.

  On 26/09/2024 at 07:55, chadders said:

That's what adults and especially parents do.

It might not be, and often isn't popular, but it might have prevented the Alvis Stalwart saga reaching its unfortunate conclusion if people hadn't been shouted down for being negative.

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Very doubtful and the comparison between severe mental illness and the OP's mild obsession with pale blue things on 3 wheels isn't helpful; the odds of some nerds from the internet staging a successful mental health intervention rates alongside the UN successfully bringing peace to the middle east.

[Sheefag]

Interestingly, Spanish Law, in probability more Napoleonically based, works in the way that @OhNoWhatHaveIDone believes, however this remains at odds with English Law.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-48118342

 

[lesapandre]

  On 26/09/2024 at 01:54, LightBulbFun said:

respectfully I am going to disagree on this one

I dont doubt that there are people who post against my ideas because they actually do care about my well being and genuinely think "I like this chap but I dont think thats a good idea",

however I think its pretty clear from peoples attitudes and the way people take the piss out of me, and Invacars, that people are doing this because they dont like me or my goals or the things I am involved in. and I am not saying those who antagonise me/dont like me or my cause, dont care at about my well being, but I dont think concern for my welling being really is a major driving point in how they act 

for the simple fact I fail to see how ridiculing and taking the piss out of someone, quite relentlessly so, is "because they actually care" 

like in school its bullies and people doing things to appeal to others in their peer group at the expense of the weird kid, case in point this whole Invacar vs Invacare thing, I think its pretty well established how much that bothers me, so of course all the people who dont like me and are against me in my endeavours have now started spelling invacar that way, is that not directly a form of antagonism? "lets do something we know the other party does not like!" and along similar lines all the posts/questions that are designed to try and provoke a response from me (I very much appreciate all those who answer/call out these posts on my behalf)

 

in-fact your a prime example @warren t claim I know that you do care about me to some degree, you where generally very kind and helpful when I was looking into the feasibility of the whole Taxi WAV thing, but I also know that you frequently take the piss out of me and my antics or go off topic in this thread because its funny to you and the people in your peer group 

 

in the end I am still just the Target of the school playground

 

I think nothing showcases the school playground nature of things of then when literally as part of a forum game, I posted my invacar (you know, because its my car!) and a member *left the forum* for a time because of it

https://autoshite.com/topic/7904-autoshite-top-trumps-nominate-your-car/page/11/

its literally like how when "the weird kid" shows up to take part in a game being played and everyone packs up and leaves

and TBH thats what saddens upsets and depresses me the most really, that this sort of thing happens on *Autoshite* the one place I thought I could hang out around and finally not have to deal with this sort of thing, finally a group who understands my weird obsessions, but no, I get ridiculed/berated  all the same...

as you said yourself...

 

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Do keep on posting @LightBulbFun and don't be discouraged. You provide such excellent content and for me run one of the best threads here.

I always look out for new posts - it all brightens my day  - and I have learnt so much from you. 

And your assistance on DVLA matters is outstanding. You've sorted me out several times with knotty problems.

Keep up the good work.

[OhNoWhatHaveIDone]

  On 25/09/2024 at 21:24, warren t claim said:

Well MY dad's getting a Datsun with ELECTRIC WINDOWS so beat that!

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My Austin Maxi had five years back in 1973! LOL 

[OhNoWhatHaveIDone]

  On 25/09/2024 at 22:06, warren t claim said:

Are you willing to put your money were your mouth is and publicly quote a cash figure on here of how much that you'll throw into the  @LightBulbFun Go Fund Me if/when he ends up paralysed after a non fault accident with an Uber Prius?

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You're out of order with this post 

[DodgeRover]

  On 26/09/2024 at 08:35, OhNoWhatHaveIDone said:

One bows to ones expertise, however, said contractors would not have offered their services for free!  so the property changes hands for money, SOLD.  and so on....irrespective, once something is sold, usually unless it is land of buildings the purchaser is free to do with it what they wish.....selling within it they wish........

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You aren't familiar with the break/ dispose only concept? The scrapping was essentially the same as has been done with secure mail carriers and bullion vans since they became a thing, the yard is paid to dispose of them and they can never go back on the road, or in the case of bullion vans they go into a secure facility and are divested of their custom parts for distruction then the remains go to a yard for breaking.

The contract was for them to be destroyed.

[DodgeRover]

  On 26/09/2024 at 08:56, somewhatfoolish said:

You could clean up at the average 'spoons at breakfast time; most of the sticks and crutches on display will be misappropriated NHS property.

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Which is odd because we attempted to return NHS items that had been given to a relative who passed and was told they didn't want them and to dispose of them.

[OhNoWhatHaveIDone]

  On 26/09/2024 at 08:44, Sheefag said:

This is a popular myth, but it remains a myth all the same.

https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/scotland/consumer/somethings-gone-wrong-with-a-purchase/stolen-goods-s1/

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No myth, fact, never have been stolen, fact, now run back and tell Warren

[OhNoWhatHaveIDone]

  On 26/09/2024 at 08:47, Sheefag said:

There is a reasonable argument to be had that this is covered by Section 22 of the Theft Act, with attendant penalties.

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1968/60

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All well and good, but no one is handling stolen goods.....