invacar LightBulbFun's Invacar & general ramble thread, index on page 1, survivors lists on Pages 24/134 & AdgeCutler's Invacar Mk12 Restoration from Page 186 onwards, still harping on...

[Talbot]

1 hour ago, brummiejon said:

but it’s legal

Seriously.

Get off the fucking road you utter twat.

[BorniteIdentity]

1 hour ago, brummiejon said:

I’ll mention that to the shop I bought it from and the manufacturer. Thanks for the Trolling 

Plenty of shops (including Decathlon) sell electric scooters which can neither be used on the road or the footpath and are 'intended only for use on private land'.  

That is absolutely no defence and, I dare say, you already know that.

[Sham]

1 hour ago, BorniteIdentity said:

Plenty of shops (including Decathlon) sell electric scooters which can neither be used on the road or the footpath and are 'intended only for use on private land'.  

That is absolutely no defence and, I dare say, you already know that.

But, if a shop sells it to me it must be entirely legal. 😂

Ignorance is no excuse - even when you're this ignorant.

[RoverFolkUs]

You might want to ask the shop why it didn't come with a V5c...

Because it's not meant for road use.. 😵‍💫

[alcyonecorporation]

What has the DVLA offered instead of its original plate? A age-related VRM or a Q? There will be a way around this, but they recently began nursing a semi for original VIN plates,  so I hope he's got one of those. It has always been desirable on the V765 scheme, an original VIN plate, but at some point recently, their prominence changed to the point of 'no original VIN plate=fuck off sunshine' and no-one, not even the FBHVC, seem to know why. Clubs I've spoken to got no warning, it was just arbitrarily imposed from late June/July time, around the time the indy Cabinet Review arrived. 

I don't actually know how you'd authenticate one of those if the paperwork was sketchy. They won't be an owners' club of sorts, and I doubt many technical drawings/parts books exist for them; they're in the cul-de-sac of neither-fish-nor-fowl motoring heritage few people care about.

Also, OP *urgently* needs to read up, because his defences carry no weight. The book would be thrown at him were something to happen and he knows full well, owing to the delete-fest. This thread was a rude awakening for him. 

If there's no way of registering it (which I doubt, even with the DVLA's shitchugging incompetence) put the money into a cheap second-hand car, a bus pass, a pre-booked taxi service or just pay friends and family to drive them around. A motorised mantlepiece ornament is not the only way of getting around, even if it's their preference. 

PS: I sent an electric bike back to the manufacturer because it was illegally quick. I bought it from a shop and realised I couldn't use it on the road. 

[alcyonecorporation]

3 minutes ago, RoverFolkUs said:

You might want to ask the shop why it didn't come with a V5c...

Because it's not meant for road use.. 😵‍💫

How did it have a plate, then? It must have had a VRM at some point, which became dormant.

[RoverFolkUs]

6 minutes ago, alcyonecorporation said:

How did it have a plate, then? It must have had a VRM at some point, which became dormant.

No I'm on about the definitely legal or illegal electric bike bought from the shop that can do 30mph and kill a child. 

[alcyonecorporation]

3 hours ago, RoverFolkUs said:

No I'm on about the definitely legal or illegal electric bike bought from the shop that can do 30mph and kill a child. 

Yeah, sorry. About five minutes after you/I posted I realised. 

And yeah, his bike's illegal. Made the same mistake myself. It will have an unrestricted/ illegally powerful hub motor in it like mine did. It's a stupid loophole that needs to be closed; if retailers can sell them they will, but, then again, if you have the money, you can walk into a showroom and buy car off the floor without insurance or a licence. Then again, a pushbike is not a car, and the former is far more attainable within far more budgets. 

Was a bit gutted seeing my Chinesium e-bike go as it went LIKE FUCK and had a hand throttle, which is violently un-allowed for road use; it was technically a low powered e-motorbike with pedals, like an EV pedal Puch in effect. You could pedal to flat out in top with assist, then hit the throttle and get another 15mph on top of your speed, as the throttle gave you everything the motor had. In [location redacted], I saw 43mph before realising how fucking stupid I was being and that the bearings, wheels and brakes probably weren't up to it, and that going into a lake at that speed would have been a waste of time for all concerned. 

It was also all-white and a bit like what the Raleigh Street Wolf/Wildcat/Vektar would have looked like had they been made today. 

I now have a Rock Machine which is definitely compliant. 

[Dave_Q]

It's an area where the UK is lacking for sure, not everything that is currently sold would be compliant on C&U but if I have a sur-ron (other council estate status symbols available) and want to road register it, without type approval and proof of age (which I don't have) there is no route to go legit even if you want to.

[BorniteIdentity]

I'm not sure I'd have taken back a bicycle that would go faster than 15mph.  I have a car that goes faster than 70mph (which is as fast as I go, mostly because it's terrifying going any brisker than about 60 in it.)  Fair play to you for being more grown up than me.

In full agreement too - there will be a way of getting that 'thing' registered.  It's just someone's priorities are misplaced and they've got bogged down in it having the original VRM. Fancy driving around in an uninsured, unregistered vehicle - all to avoid having a different plate. 

 

[barefoot]

A chap could just register it on a Q, but velcro the originals over the top and leave them there. The chances of getting a pull from the rozzers are minimal. 

[egg]

I'll try and make a positive suggestion that may get shot down in flames. I can take it. This thread keeps having flare ups which are almost nothing to do with the OP. 

I think it would be be better if it was left to LBF to set out his hobbies and those that are interested can follow and comment. Other posters could talk about their vehicles on their own threads like the rest of us do. 

The worlds leading Invalid carriage expert than can then express himself in peace in this space that's clearly important to him (whereas if I lost my Mondeo thread it wouldn't be the end of the world to me) and the arguments that these vehicles generate can go on elsewhere.

Downside, more threads about carriages? Maybe.

[LightBulbFun]

27 minutes ago, egg said:

I'll try and make a positive suggestion that may get shot down in flames. I can take it. This thread keeps having flare ups which are almost nothing to do with the OP. 

I think it would be be better if it was left to LBF to set out his hobbies and those that are interested can follow and comment. Other posters could talk about their vehicles on their own threads like the rest of us do. 

The worlds leading Invalid carriage expert than can then express himself in peace in this space that's clearly important to him (whereas if I lost my Mondeo thread it wouldn't be the end of the world to me) and the arguments that these vehicles generate can go on elsewhere.

Downside, more threads about carriages? Maybe.

actually I think this is the only flare up that for once, has nothing to do with me LOL so I am happy to just call it a one off incident and leave it at that  

all other flare ups that I can recall are always in some way related to me, or what I am doing LOL so I dont think other people making threads for their own IC's would solve the issue here of the flare ups

 

I am happy to keep all the IC chitter chatter to my thread it keeps all anti-invacar-er's happy, and also means I can better keep track of all the IC content since its all neatly* in one place  

but if someone wants to create their own thread by all means! happy either way! 

 

I mean in some regards this thread is a bit like, you know how big cities have a China town or a Little Italy? a small section of the city thats hyper-focused on a certain culture etc?

so this is Autoshite City's Little-Invacar LOL  

[alcyonecorporation]

1 hour ago, BorniteIdentity said:

I'm not sure I'd have taken back a bicycle that would go faster than 15mph.  I have a car that goes faster than 70mph (which is as fast as I go, mostly because it's terrifying going any brisker than about 60 in it.)  Fair play to you for being more grown up than me.

In full agreement too - there will be a way of getting that 'thing' registered.  It's just someone's priorities are misplaced and they've got bogged down in it having the original VRM. Fancy driving around in an uninsured, unregistered vehicle - all to avoid having a different plate. 

 

I'm finding more and more that things people say are 'impossible' aren't impossible at all, it's just that they consider the solution beneath them. I am also guilty of this. 

[barefoot]

4 minutes ago, LightBulbFun said:

 

so this is Autoshite City's Little-Invacar LOL  

I think you mean invacare

[egg]

10 minutes ago, LightBulbFun said:

so this is Autoshite City's Little-Invacar LOL  

Fair enough. Definitely 'south of the river' though. 

[JJ0063]

Keep secretly hoping a mod changes this thread title to invacare 😂

[egg]

when we all get old on here, we may well end up geeking over our invacare scooters quirks and features...oh you got the launch spec with the larger basket....

[Jerzy Woking]

4 hours ago, Dave_Q said:

It's an area where the UK is lacking for sure, not everything that is currently sold would be compliant on C&U but if I have a sur-ron (other council estate status symbols available) and want to road register it, without type approval and proof of age (which I don't have) there is no route to go legit even if you want to.

Sur-rons are piss easy to register with the DVLA, it's just that many owners don't because

1. They don't want to pay insurance,

2. They don't have a licence,

3. They don't want to comply with any law that restricts their freedom to do what the fuck they want.

Plenty of info on Sur-ron website, plus a number of YouTube videos detailing the procedure.

[OldBlokeInACaravan]

The bullying on this forum needs to stop....now....

I've been on the end of it, now it's @brummiejonand

It's not acceptable.  When anything goes wrong @LightBulbFungoes quiet 

and the admin/moderators are too worried about people being offended by the he/she/them/they/toaster brigade rather than abuse!

Too many 'anoraks'  who know it all....f*ck all!  Let us help each other and our ancient bulbs and carriages!

[Sham]

This idiot is riding and driving uninsured and unregistered vehicles on the public highway.

Fuck him, and all those who do likewise. I hope he gets royally rogered for his efforts.

[OldBlokeInACaravan]

38 minutes ago, Sham said:

This idiot is riding and driving uninsured and unregistered vehicles on the public highway.

Fuck him, and all those who do likewise. I hope he gets royally rogered for his efforts.

Let's set the record straight.....

The person your referring to is/was riding an 'invalid carriage'.  3 wheeled, battery powered.  This is NOT classed as a vehicle.  The nearest modern equivalent is a class 3 mobility scooter.  This can be 3 or 4 wheeled, as a rider of such you do NOT require:

A licence, Insurance, MOT, to display a number plate, 

Yes, it has to be registered, but he is trying everything with DVLA to do so

Yes, it has to have road tax, but it's zero anyway, he can't get road tax without a registration number, which is currently out of his hands.

The main thing is, he should have kept his gob shut and not have been 'tried by forum'.  Now stop the bullying! 

 

[alcyonecorporation]

The 'trial by forum' was to stop him getting into trouble. If he's so right and in the clear, why did he delete his posts? He knows damn well it's wrong: that's why. 

If he can't get road tax - regardless of whether he thinks the DVLA are being unfair or not - then he shouldn't be out on it. 
He admitted to taking it out on a public forum; what the fuck did he expect? 

What has he/ DVLA done so far? Has he gone/Can he go the V765 route? Has another plate or a Q been offered? Has the DVLA offered any explanation as to how far along the registration process is? Has anyone spoken to the DVLA on his behalf? Can the FBHVC or LBF help him put an appeal together, if needed? 

Sorry, but his e-bike's also illegal; regardless of whether or not he bought it in a shop, and whether he wants to hear that or not, it's no defence. The police will hammer him if he's caught. Best avoided. 

Advisement of these things (you know, so he doesn't get fined/have it confiscated) is not bullying. Would you rather he not be told? 

[Jerzy Woking]

Bullying or telling someone, who has posted what he has done, what he has and is doing is not legal?

 

And what have the "anoraks" posted that is incorrect in brummiejon's case? Please point these things out so they are corrected and aren't posted again.

Thank you.

[OldBlokeInACaravan]

8 minutes ago, alcyonecorporation said:

If he can't get road tax - regardless of whether he thinks the DVLA are being unfair or not - then he shouldn't be out on it. 
He admitted to taking it out on a public forum; what the fuck did he expect? 

What has he/ DVLA done so far? Has he gone the V765 route? Has another plate or a Q been offered? Has the DVLA offered any explanation as to how far along the registration process is? Has anyone spoken to the DVLA on his behalf? Can the FBHVC or LBF help him put an appeal together, if needed? 

His e-bike's also illegal; regardless of whether or not he bought it in a shop, it's no defence. The police will hammer him if he's caught. Best avoided. 

Advisement of these things (you know, so he doesn't get fined/have it confiscated) is not bullying. Would you rather he not be told? 

Why don't you read the previous trial notes and find out, as you're one of the jurors!  and yes, some of these comments on here are an absolute discrace, the guy is disabled, we all make mistakes and none of us are perfect, so some on here need to wind their neck in!

[OldBlokeInACaravan]

Just now, Jerzy Woking said:

Bullying or telling someone, who has posted what he has done, what he has and is doing is not legal?

 

And what have the "anoraks" posted that is incorrect in brummiejon's case? Please point these things out so they are corrected and aren't posted again.

Thank you.

I don't feed trolls

[alcyonecorporation]

6 minutes ago, OldBlokeInACaravan said:

Why don't you read the previous trial notes and find out, as you're one of the jurors!  and yes, some of these comments on here are an absolute discrace, the guy is disabled, we all make mistakes and none of us are perfect, so some on here need to wind their neck in!

OK, let's play your game, then. 

YOU'RE ACCUSING ME OF BULLYING! YOU'RE JUDGE JURY AND EXECUTIONER! HOW DARE YOU! 

You know what? Crack on, the pair of you. Don't come on here crying when the police make an example of him. 

People have asked why/to what extent the DVLA has refused/not refused a plate, and you call us 'jurors'.  I'll spell this out for you, seeing as you took offence to it: I WAS TRYING TO HELP. 
He has been told (correctly) that an unrestricted e-bike is illegal; he called that poster a troll. 

The pair of you are dangerously misinformed. 
I wish him the best of luck getting it registered. With an attitude like that, and the DVLA the way it is, he'll need it. 

[wuvvum]

2 minutes ago, OldBlokeInACaravan said:

the guy is disabled

Since when has that been an excuse for breaking the law?

[wuvvum]

10 hours ago, petermcpete said:

Which number is higher, BrummieJon's IQ or the Invacar's HP?

Depends if it's a Steyr-Puch or a Villiers engine.

[OldBlokeInACaravan]

3 minutes ago, alcyonecorporation said:

OK, let's play your game, then. 

YOU'RE ACCUSING ME OF BULLYING! YOU'RE JUDGE JURY AND EXECUTIONER! HOW DARE YOU! 

Where exactly did I accuse you of bullying, you came in asking me multiple questions about the saga without doing your research... HOW DARE YOU!