AS Communal MK4&5 Mondeo Thread

[Cord Fourteener]

Update:

I've ordered a Windows laptop after trying and failing with Wine and PlayonLinux. Maybe it's possible, I can't make it work. Given Wifey is always saying that MS PowerPoint is what she uses at work and moans about formatting issues on Libreoffice I thought that buying an old Windows machine for £72 posted off ebay isn't the worst idea. 

The elm327 modified connector is here, so I downloaded OBD Autodoctor to see if I can talk to my Passat in the mean time. 

Anyway, just need the new old laptop to arrive then I can see if I can talk to the Ford with ForScan and slap the dpf around a bit.

[Cookiesouwest]

Hi. Advice please. Mk4 mondeo 59 plate. 2.0 tdci auto.
Was driving tonight and all warning lights came on and rev / speedo dropped to zero. Car kept running ok. 3 secs later, lights went out, rev/speedo started working.

Anyone ever had this?

[Mr Pastry]

I know nothing about Mondeos, but that sort of thing is possibly a bad/intermittent earth - either battery terminal, or engine to body.

[Barry Cade]

  On 18/08/2021 at 23:12, Fraz said:

Treated mine to a wash and a new magic tree… tropical 👍

 

timing belt kit and rear brakes ready to be fitted when I can be arsed 

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That is THE exact car and spec I wanted before I bought the Focus.. I think these, especially in white,  are a very handsome car.

[warren t claim]

  On 23/08/2021 at 19:21, Cookiesouwest said:

Hi. Advice please. Mk4 mondeo 59 plate. 2.0 tdci auto.
Was driving tonight and all warning lights came on and rev / speedo dropped to zero. Car kept running ok. 3 secs later, lights went out, rev/speedo started working.

Anyone ever had this?

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Isn't an intermittent cluster failure common with the Mk1 Focus?

Do you have the basic instruments or that Converse pack?

[Cookiesouwest]

  On 23/08/2021 at 22:35, warren t claim said:

Isn't an intermittent cluster failure common with the Mk1 Focus?

Do you have the basic instruments or that Converse pack?

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Its a zetec, so the basic cluster.

Yes Mk1 focus did have that issue.

[junkyarddog]

Battery could be on the way out?

[sierraman]

  On 23/08/2021 at 19:21, Cookiesouwest said:

Hi. Advice please. Mk4 mondeo 59 plate. 2.0 tdci auto.
Was driving tonight and all warning lights came on and rev / speedo dropped to zero. Car kept running ok. 3 secs later, lights went out, rev/speedo started working.

Anyone ever had this?

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Cluster can and does fail on them, it’s a £200 refurb job or find a used one and code it to the car. 

Could also be the VSS. 

Before you start with all that check if it has a tow bar, the canbus to trailer wiring interface causes all sorts of random shit like that. 

Honestly if it was a one off random occurrence then I’d leave be to be honest. 

[sierraman]

It’s not like the pins on the cluster of the Mk2 Focuses, where you can re-solder the dozen or so pins on the back it involves taking it apart which is a bit of a faff. What a great idea lead free solder was! Giving the dash a smack sometimes will identify loose terminals or a bad solder joint.

You really need Forscan to accurately diagnose it, I would imagine it will possibly point you, unhelpfully, in the direction of the BCM module that sits in behind the glovebox, on occasion there has been known to be corrosion in the terminals. 

[Cord Fourteener]

Hi, advice here please!

My elm327 as per @wuvvumrecommendation arrived, as has a Windows laptop.

Of course now ForScan won't recognise the adapter when I plug it in and switch on ignition and press the connect button. 

Am I missing something?

[wuvvum]

Have you tried flipping the switch on the ELM cable?  IIRC for the initial connection to the car it needs to be in the correct position.

[Cord Fourteener]

  On 27/08/2021 at 13:58, wuvvum said:

Have you tried flipping the switch on the ELM cable?  IIRC for the initial connection to the car it needs to be in the correct position.

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I've tried it in both positions and I've tried different connection option in forscan 

[Cord Fourteener]

I did just find this, apparently I have to install drivers?

http://www.totalcardiagnostics.com/support/Knowledgebase/Article/View/1/0/how-to-install-elm327-usb-cable-on-windows-and-obd2-software

I thought Windows did all that stuff automatically?

[wuvvum]

Depends what version of Windows you have.  I don't recall having to install drivers when I downloaded Forscan, but then again that laptop had been used for diagnostics (with an assortment of cables) for several years before that so maybe it already had the drivers it needed.

[Cord Fourteener]

  On 27/08/2021 at 14:24, wuvvum said:

Depends what version of Windows you have.  I don't recall having to install drivers when I downloaded Forscan, but then again that laptop had been used for diagnostics (with an assortment of cables) for several years before that so maybe it already had the drivers it needed.

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OK. I'll download them according to that page then try...

I'm on a steep learning curve! But it's worth it not least as wifey loves the Mondeo. 

[sierraman]

Yeah you need to fuck about shifting the usb around a bit then try it on either can/bus switch. Is it saying ‘no wi-if?’

[Cord Fourteener]

  On 27/08/2021 at 15:01, sierraman said:

Yeah you need to fuck about shifting the usb around a bit then try it on either can/bus switch. Is it saying ‘no wi-if?’

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It says 'adapter not connected'

[Cord Fourteener]

Next question: which connection type do I need?

Which way up does the switch need to be?

Here is the error I get, the same when it's all connected as when nothing is connected. 

Oops for some reason it's upside down. 

[Barry Cade]

  On 27/08/2021 at 19:29, Cord Fourteener said:

Next question: which connection type do I need?

Which way up does the switch need to be?

Here is the error I get, the same when it's all connected as when nothing is connected. 

Oops for some reason it's upside down. 

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You'll have to use COM port if it's wired and connected with USB. Did you get a disc with it?

You need the ELM 327 driver in your laptop, then it should auto recognise the adapter. The switch position doesn't matter. It will tell you to switch it if need be. 

I'm far from an IT expert, but used Forscan for years. You'll need to go on and get a (free) licence once your hooked up.

[Cord Fourteener]

OK I'm in. I had to close forscan then open it and it worked in Com as @Barry Cadesaid, but only for a particular switch position. 

I've not come across needing a licence yet, but I will as and when that arises.

I'll have to warm the engine up tomorrow for dpf functions as I'm home alone with the baby and I've had a few beers... but I only found a regen button, are there any other dpf tools?

[Barry Cade]

  On 27/08/2021 at 19:50, Cord Fourteener said:

OK I'm in. I had to close forscan then open it and it worked in Com as @Barry Cadesaid, but only for a particular switch position. 

I've not come across needing a licence yet, but I will as and when that arises.

I'll have to warm the engine up tomorrow for dpf functions as I'm home alone with the baby and I've had a few beers... but I only found a regen button, are there any other dpf tools?

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Best just spend some time and have a play. I don't think you can modify anything without a licence so no worry there.. unlike FOCcUS.. 😌

Familiarise yourself with all the acronyms,  there are a lot! EcM ,BCM,PCM, etc..

[Barry Cade]

This guy takes Mondeo to the max..

 

[wuvvum]

  On 27/08/2021 at 19:50, Cord Fourteener said:

I only found a regen button, are there any other dpf tools?

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There is an option in one of the menus called Reset DPF Learned Values (or similar), that's the one you want.

[sierraman]

  On 27/08/2021 at 20:23, Barry Cade said:

This guy takes Mondeo to the max..

 

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There’s got to be about £30 worth of duct tape holding that together.

[Barry Cade]

  On 27/08/2021 at 21:01, sierraman said:

There’s got to be about £30 worth of duct tape holding that together.

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And that's pound shop duct tape..

[Cord Fourteener]

So the news here is good, I had a play and reset the dpf values. 

I'm curious to find out how to tell how clogged or not the dpf is. 

Anyway I managed to delete all codes, I'm sure they'll reappear though. There's some sensor in a wheel failing, it occasionally causes the traction light to come on. 

There's the diluted oil, so I'll have to change the oil again but I think, well I hope that the dpf will start behaving now. 

[junkyarddog]

  On 28/08/2021 at 18:06, Cord Fourteener said:

There's some sensor in a wheel failing, it occasionally causes the traction light to come on.

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May not be a sensor,the rear left wiring loom to the ABS sensor can wear through,

May be worth looking at that,easy enough fix.

[Cord Fourteener]

  On 28/08/2021 at 18:13, junkyarddog said:

May not be a sensor,the rear left wiring loom to the ABS sensor can wear through,

May be worth looking at that,easy enough fix.

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Yes I'll have a look. But for now at least i went for a drive. No smoke, no lights, no coal burning smells!

 

[wuvvum]

  On 28/08/2021 at 18:06, Cord Fourteener said:

I think, well I hope that the dpf will start behaving now. 

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There's an easy way to tell.  Go for a (reasonably long) drive, then plug Forscan in and bring up "distance since last regen attempt" - if that equals the distance you've just driven then you know it's sorted.  I think it gives the reading in km but it's easy enough to convert.

You should see the fuel consumption improve as well now it's fixed.  I was struggling to get 40mpg out of it when it was regenning all the time (although the computer thought I was doing more than that), it went up to near 50 on a run once I reset the DPF.

[Cord Fourteener]

  On 28/08/2021 at 22:49, wuvvum said:

There's an easy way to tell.  Go for a (reasonably long) drive, then plug Forscan in and bring up "distance since last regen attempt" - if that equals the distance you've just driven then you know it's sorted.  I think it gives the reading in km but it's easy enough to convert.

You should see the fuel consumption improve as well now it's fixed.  I was struggling to get 40mpg out of it when it was regenning all the time (although the computer thought I was doing more than that), it went up to near 50 on a run once I reset the DPF.

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Yes it was doing less that 40 mpg. 

OK ill have a look at the distance covered but it's acting very different since reset, no smoke being the obvious change.