Inline Isuzu 1.7 TD needed

[nigel bickle]

I think we need a complete, running, (turnkey type op) Isuzu 1.7 TD engine, box etc.

 

First question- what do they come in?

 

Second question.- anyone got one, for sale?

 

We'd buy a complete car, if it was cheap/ local enough....

 

Clue me up guys, my knowledge on diesels in negligible.

[Rusty_Rocket]

You're looking for an Astra-F or Cavalier Mk3.  The Corsa had the same engine but it was naturally aspirated.  Best bet would be to find an Astra, but anything worthwhile with that engine now is starting to go up in value.

You may find the odd rotten example but they've usually been to the moon and back.

 

I'm afraid I don't have anything suitable, I sold my last Astra Isuzu a couple of months back (and immediately regretted it!)

[twosmoke300]

98 astra ? 

[gm]

I'm told my 2004 honda civic had a 1.7 Isuzu TD engine - could be worthy of investigation ?

[Rusty_Rocket]

The Civic does indeed have the same engine (or at least, block) but it's similar to the later common rail 16v one as fitted in the Astra-G.  I assumed Nigel wants an earlier, mechanical FIP one (might be wrong though!)

I don't know of any specific inline applications for this engine though... I have seen them in Suzuki 4wds but nothing rwd.

[nigel bickle]

Thanks

 

A whole world of learning here.

 

I'm looking for a simple inline transplant whilst the original early 60's diesel running gear is overhauled and persuaded into life.

[Rusty_Rocket]

These engines are regularly fitted to boats, so anything is possible but I can't think of an off-the-shelf conversion/ adaptor for an inline gearbox.  Would be good in an 1960s diesel though, more power and economy with lighter weight.

[nigel bickle]

I hate dead cars, they tend to sit.

 

I imported an early 60s Isuzu Bellel ( was well documented here) from California - that has been a total bastard from the off. In essence, it's been sitting nearly two years. It's solid, it can cope - but that's not why I got it.

 

The recent arrival of the Florian has spurred us to get all the other early Zuzu's sorted, so my kids delved into the engine bay. It needs stuff - and NONE of its available, anywhere, so we are going to need to make, or cross compare. A long, slow job.

So, to get it ' on the road' we reckon an alternate Zuzu diesel that slots straight in ( yeah, right!) is probably the he short term answer- possibly the long term answer.

 

So, a terminally rust Chavalier, or Astra that we can haul the running gear out of, would be ideal.

 

Keep your eyes open , pleez?

[Rusty_Rocket]

Sounds like a great project to me, I'll keep a look out.

You can even get a rocker cover that says 'Isuzu' rather than 'turbo', which would look much more at home

[nigel bickle]

That's what I'm hoping.

[Mr_Bo11ox]

What about an engine out of a Bedford midi van,thats an old 2.0 NA Isuzu diesel I think, inline as well and I don't think its owt to do with any European GM engine. I know Bedford Midis are not 2 a penny but I've seen a few for breaking on the bay now and then.

[M'coli]

These engines are regularly fitted to boats, so anything is possible but I can't think of an off-the-shelf conversion/ adaptor for an inline gearbox.  Would be good in an 1960s diesel though, more power and economy with lighter weight.

If you can find an Astra Redtop-to-Ford 'box bellhousing, then perhaps the Omega gearbox will fit.

[nigel bickle]

Boll, thanks for thinking laterally.

 

There are two munters on thief bay, ( one in Wuzs territory that I might ask him to look at if the vendor sounds sensible)

 

None local - t'was ever thus

[skattrd]

What about the Isuzu 1.5TD found in Corsa B? 

I'm just thinking it might be a tad smaller and another possible avenue for you Nigel.

[strangeangel]

Boll, thanks for thinking laterally.

 

There are two munters on thief bay, ( one in Wuzs territory that I might ask him to look at if the vendor sounds sensible)

 

None local - t'was ever thus

 

If you happen across one in my neck of the woods then just give me a shout.

[DVee8]

Is this any good? Big miles

I don't know how far this is away from you or what you want to pay.

https://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C928488

[Rusty_Rocket]

158k is nothing for one of these!  Only problem in my mind is, it looks too good to bust up...  (Nigel's opinion may vary, though!)

[nigel bickle]

Agreed.

 

Kids are currently chasing the rusty blue Bedford Midi in Northolt, off road since 09.

 

I like the thought of an agricultural 2 litre, (if the sump , ancillaries etc sit right)

[LessThanEqual]

1.7 Mk7 Civic is your best bet, loads still about. Made by Isuzu Poland and has Honda only CR system I believe.

[M'coli]

If you can find an Astra Redtop-to-Ford 'box bellhousing, then perhaps the Omega gearbox will fit.

What I meant to say, was, "If you can't find an Astra Redtop-to-Ford 'box bellhousing, then perhaps the Omega gearbox will fit".

[Noel Tidybeard]

 

Isuzu E engine

 

• The 4EC1 is a 1.5 L (1,488 cc) SOHC 8V engine of the swirl chamber design, with bore and stroke of 76.0 x 82.0 mm. Power in the atmospheric version is 50 PS (37 kW) at 4,800 rpm and 90 Nm at 3,000 rpm. The turbocharged version (IHI) develops 67 PS (49 kW) at 4,600 rpm and 132 Nm at 2,600 rpm as fitted to the Opel Corsa A (with 0.68 bar or 9.9 psi of boost),^[21] and 72 PS (53 kW) at 4,600 rpm and 143 Nm at 2,600 rpm when fitted to the larger Opel Kadett E.^[22] This engine was first seen in the Isuzu Gemini FF.

 

• The 4EE1 is a 1.7 L (1,686 cc) SOHC 8V swirl chamber engine, with bore and stroke of 79.0 and 86.0 mm (3.11 and 3.39 in) respectively. The turbocharged and intercooled version first seen in the 1990 Isuzu Gemini develops 88 PS (65 kW) at 4,500 rpm and 167 Nm at 2,500 rpm.^[23] This engine formed the basis for the common rail, direct injection 4EE2 engine now produced by Opel, who calls it the Ecotec DTi/CDTi. Power in the latest Opel Corsa has been increased to 130 PS (96 kW). Better known as the "Circle L engine", it is made in Poland by Isuzu Motors Polska and is available in certain Opel and Honda vehicles.

Isuzu F engine

 

• The 4FB1 is a 1.8 L SOHC 8-valve engine with 51 hp and 72 ft·lb of torque used in the 1981–1986 Chevrolet Chevette and the 1979–1987 Isuzu Gemini/I-Mark as well as the Australian Holden Gemini iteration of that car. It was also available with electronic fuel injection (Bosch) and with a turbocharger.

Bore x stroke: 84 mm x 82 mm Displacement: 1,817 cc (110.9 cu in)

61 PS (45 kW) at 5,000 rpm, 11.2 kg·m (110 N·m; 81 lb·ft) at 2,000 rpm (JIS)^[24] 66 PS (49 kW) at 5,000 rpm, 11.2 kg·m (110 N·m; 81 lb·ft) at 2,000 rpm (JIS) - Electronic injection^[24] 73 PS (54 kW) at 5,000 rpm, 16.0 kg·m (157 N·m; 116 lb·ft) at 2,500 rpm (JIS) - Turbocharged^[24]

 

• The 4FC1 is a 2.0 L SOHC 8-valve engine used in the Isuzu Aska, and in Hindustan Ambassador in turbo and non-turbo (2DE1 NA) form.

Bore x stroke: 84 mm x 90 mm Displacement: 1,995 cc (121.7 cu in)

 

 

go on scrifice an ambi!

[fraybentos]

I've a mate who's got a really good complete cavalier which he would probably get rid of

[CreepingJesus]

The N/A diesel in the Midi was a 2.2, the turbo was the 2 litre. Think the atmo engine was of an older family, but the blown one was of the family that the first Troopers we got, and the Frontera/Brava had.

[mk2_craig]

I was going to suggest the Vauxhall Brava, although those things seem to be GR8 4 XPORT so good luck tracking down a runner at a realistic price.

[nigel bickle]

You'd think the vendor of a Bedford Midi that's been ' off road' since 2009, and admits has rust, would be interested in selling it, wouldn't you?

 

Advertised at £299, "offers considered", it seems it's now £350 - and no, He doesn't have time to take ANY photos....or answer any questions. Couldn't make it up..

 

Time to find another

[Lacquer Peel]

When you say inline, do you mean mounted longitudinally?

The Isuzu 1.7 TD was always mounted transversely but I've seen it popped into older RWD cars using Carlton gearboxes (I guess)

[nigel bickle]

Rear wheel drive, yup, and whilst ' most' were transverse, some weren't. Hence the question....

 

Thanks all. Several now chasing leads.

[Pillock]

This is open to offers...

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VAUXHALL-ASTRA-F-MK3-1-7-TD-COMLETE-ENGINE-5-SPEED-MANUAL-GEARBOX-X17DTL/262932370658?epid=1426300303&hash=item3d37fd94e2:g:RFYAAOSwhQhY6J~m

[Rusty_Rocket]

That's the GM engine. 

[derskine]

I was going to fit one to my Cortina. Carlton/Manta gearbox works apparently. Presumably with a transverse one?

 

http://forum.retro-rides.org/thread/114674/vauxhall-astra-isuzu-which-gearbox