Cavalier 4x4

[Pillock]

Freelanders also have a unique feature where the propshaft is easily removed for economy...

[Guest Hooli]

Ahh a TG test...

 

Odd that as I've owned a Scooby & it makes a lot of difference in anything except warm dry conditions.

[dollywobbler]

Ahh a TG test...

 

Odd that as I've owned a Scooby & it makes a lot of difference in anything except warm dry conditions.

 

Scoobies have actual power though! In a 2-litre Mondeo, I think they were proving that yes, you might get away slightly quicker on a wet day, but you won't go around a bend any quicker (tested on the turning circle at MIRA I think).

[Guest Hooli]

Scoobies have actual power though! In a 2-litre Mondeo, I think they were proving that yes, you might get away slightly quicker on a wet day, but you won't go around a bend any quicker (tested on the turning circle at MIRA I think).

 

My Scooby was a 2.5 n/a Legacy, did about 120 so the same performance as a mundano.

 

It was much more sure footed in the wet & was able to get out of a wet junction in a way a fwd never can.

[fiatdaft]

Nope. FWD only for the most part, even if the propshaft is actually fitted.

 

I remember Top Gear doing a test of these everyday 4x4s, proving that they didn't really offer any tangible benefit over the 2WD version most of the time. As a fad, it didn't last very long, though no-one told Subaru...

Are you sure?

 

 

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[dollywobbler]

Are you sure?

 

 

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Which bit?

 

Did a bit of digging about the Freelander, and it seems it isn't quite as clear cut as I thought. Various figures from 60% front to 90% front are discussed, depending on where you look.

[New POD]

According to Wikipedia

 

made available was a four-wheel drive system, fitted to a 2.0iL model (8 valve SRi spec) and on a version of the GSi 2000

 

It was L trim, which meant 14 inch steel wheels and and SEH 130 BHP 8V

 

A bloke (now a good friend) I worked with had a low mileage one he got VERY cheap when almost new.

 

His boss was a Japanese Bloke over in the UK on an exchange visit as the factory he worked for in Japan were supplying tooling and manufacturing knowledge and product designs under licence.  His kids were enrolled in a local private school curtesy of said Jap company and he was told that being in Keighley he'd need a 4x4 because Yorkshire Snows.  18 months later he is told he needs to get back to the Japanese factory, sell the car for whatever he can get, take his kids out of school, and pack up, with one weeks notice.

 

It had about 15K on the clock. My mate had told him when he got it that it was his dream car but that he could never afford something like that.

So he is invited into his office, and told he can buy it.  My mate says I haven't got any money, and it might take me a couple of weeks to sell my car, and even then I can't afford it.  

He got it for about £2k when the retail value would have been £8 to £10K. 

He kept it 15 years.

If it hadn't got the 4x4 badges it would have been a proper Q car.

[fiatdaft]

That's what I was wondering about, the 4x4 split , or not.

 

 

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[New POD]

There was a conversion where you could have a switch on the dash to disengage the centre diff and have FWD only, switching the 4x4 on when you needed it.

Take out fuse 19 or replace it with a switch ?

[fiatdaft]

It was L trim, which meant 14 inch steel wheels and and SEH 130 BHP car.

 

Not all sri's had the seh btw.

 

 

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[Guest Hooli]

Wasn't there a Calibra 4x4 too?

 

I know there was a mk3 Granada 4x4.

[UltraWomble]

[Dick Cheeseburger]

Nope. FWD only for the most part, even if the propshaft is actually fitted. 

 

I remember Top Gear doing a test of these everyday 4x4s, proving that they didn't really offer any tangible benefit over the 2WD version most of the time. As a fad, it didn't last very long, though no-one told Subaru...

My old classic Impreza was ridiculously sure-footed, wet or dry. I wouldn't been as confident with 225bhp solely through the front wheels.

[fiatdaft]

Aye, I paid £200 for this in 2005.

 

 

 

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[UltraWomble]

If money was no object ( and if I could find him, because IIRC he buggered off to Lithuania or somewhere) I'd get Louis to build me one of his 4x4's based on a Dyane

[richbraith]

All pre facelift mk3 SRis have the 130bhp SEH, they were replaced by the catalysed 115bhp NE when the car was facelifted.
The base 4x4 had the SEH I think, despite being an L spec.  Had it been 2WD it would have been the NE.  

[fiatdaft]

I'm not sure your right, plenty non cat 2.0i mk3 cavs, and then they went red top, then ecotec.

 

 

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[richbraith]

L, GL, CD and Diplomat spec had the NE in 2.0 form, SRi had the SEH up to September 1992.  From the facelift there was an 8v SRi that had the NE and a 16v with the redtop that effectively replaced the GSi, which was dropped on the facelift.  

[Guest Hooli]

I thought it was green top by the age of a Mk3?

 

But then I was never a vauxhall licker.

[Felly Magic]

Ford did do a 2.9i GLS 4x4 Sierra, then a very lukewarm twin cam 2.0 XR4x4, they also did the Ghia estate in 4x4 flavour IIRC, and the horrible mk5 RS2k Escort had a 4x4 option for a while

[Guest Hooli]

Just realised, it's nearly the end of the second page & no mention of the original Panda 4x4.

[Volksy]

Just realised, it's nearly the end of the second page & no mention of the original Panda 4x4.

 

See page 1 

[dollywobbler]

My old classic Impreza was ridiculously sure-footed, wet or dry. I wouldn't been as confident with 225bhp solely through the front wheels.

 

4x4 gives you better traction, it doesn't give you better grip. That's entirely down to suspension and tyres. It's also why an awful lot of BMW X5s crash when it's snowy...

[NorfolkNWeigh]

I stand corrected. They were always quite rare though?

Quite rare yes, but easy to spot because they have wheels specific to the 4x4 , possibly metric, but no other rims fit.

[Guest Hooli]

4x4 gives you better traction, it doesn't give you better grip. That's entirely down to suspension and tyres. It's also why an awful lot of BMW X5s crash when it's snowy...

 

A properly setup system gives you a better balance of grip though. Hence 4x4s don't understeer or go sideways as much as 2wd cars. Still doesn't make you able to stop though which I think is what you were getting at.

[Sir Snipes]

A properly setup system gives you a better balance of grip though. Hence 4x4s don't understeer or go sideways as much as 2wd cars. Still doesn't make you able to stop though which I think is what you were getting at.

Well you do get 4-wheel engine braking, which the 4WD BTCC Audi A4s used to great effect. I think the BTCC Cavaliers used the 4x4 shells too but stil FWD - probably for the independent rear suspension.

[Guest Hooli]

Well you do get 4-wheel engine braking, which the 4WD BTCC Audi A4s used to great effect. I think the BTCC Cavaliers used the 4x4 shells too but stil FWD - probably for the independent rear suspension.

 

True, but with modern ABS I doubt that's of any help trying to stop a road car.

[New POD]

Not all sri's had the seh btw.

 

 

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The ones with G reg plates were SEH's. Later 4x4's had SE and only 115 bhp and colour coded bumpers.

[hpi_matrix]

4X4 BX on ebay at the mo: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Citroen-BX-19-GTI-4x4-1-9L-very-rare-/182674313345?hash=item2a883cd081:g:a-kAAOSwxbtZblAq

 

 

What system do the old Justy's use?

 

These ones:

 

[hpi_matrix]

There was also an AX 4x4 in case you didnt know: