egg Posted June 3, 2017 Share Posted June 3, 2017 I don't think there has been a thread on these cars before, and my interest was piqued years ago in the early 90's when Car magazine reviewed one of their models - as a teenager myself - they were interesting because they made 'sans permis' cars for 14 year olds. Also, the cars were made in Aniche - which is the town where my French grandmother was born deep in the 'rust belt' of Northern France (where many of my ancestors were involved in coal/railways etc). They started with a single seater in the 1970s Things improved somewhat with the junior with 205 headlights Which could be had topless.. By the 90's they had 'moved on' to the Spacia, which I believe was the model that Car reviewed. We are talking a 505cc dizzle here! (Single wiper action) The pièce de résistance has to be their MG replica though. Only 24 where made, and I'd love one! Nice short video about it here: Howmanyleft doesn't declare that any of these Erads reached our shores. So does anyone know any more about them? Wiki tells me they were taken over by Savel 1997, and production ceased in 2002. garethj, Jim Bergerac, Aston Martin and 10 others 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xkjagnz Posted June 3, 2017 Share Posted June 3, 2017 I would have the MG type , the rest not so much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garethj Posted June 3, 2017 Share Posted June 3, 2017 I'm working on the design of a TC replica, that one is a lot better than some of the TD and TF replicas! It's a bit undersize at only 2.7m long instead of 3.5m but a good effort with its 125cc engine More info here Considering they were £8000 new, this one is up for sale at €15,000 nowhttp://www.baillycars-occasions.com/ egg 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted June 3, 2017 Author Share Posted June 3, 2017 Nice sleuthing. 15k does sound a tad strong, but then given rarity, I guess someone might pay it! Looks like they did a van too. Ooof! https://www.leboncoin.fr/voitures/1128492867.htm?ca=17_s Lacquer Peel, dollywobbler and cros 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spottedlaurel Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 Just had a look through the photos I've taken of microcars when on my French holidays, it appears I have none by Erad.That one in the second photo looks quite a neat design. I'm finding that they aren't so easy to see nowadays. Have the rules changed, or have they just become increasingly unpopular/unnecessary? On any I do see it's always fun to work out what the head and tail lights have come from. egg 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted June 4, 2017 Author Share Posted June 4, 2017 Looks like the legislation has changed a bit, Aixam set it out here,use Google translate... https://www.aixam.com/fr/nos-modeles-de-voitures-sans-permis/decouvrez/legislation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twosmoke300 Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 45 kmh max speed ! ???? egg 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoadworkUK Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 There's a hard core of elderly folk around here who run Aixams. I understand that, for nipping to the shops, they're economical, but surely they're hoplessly outclassed by literally any other car in every other respect? tooSavvy, strangeangel and HarmonicCheeseburger 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted June 4, 2017 Author Share Posted June 4, 2017 I think it tells us something that there is not a single French microcar owned by someone on this forum? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tooSavvy Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 There's a hard core of elderly folk around here who run Aixams. I understand that, for nipping to the shops, they're economical, but surely they're hoplessly out$hited by literally any other car in every other respect?Nahhh... TS RoadworkUK and Semi-C 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheefag Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 Rather handily, they can still be driven even if you're banned for drink-driving. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-35210572 Dave_Q and egg 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted June 4, 2017 Author Share Posted June 4, 2017 And that article contains an Erad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoadworkUK Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 505 Estate rear lights! HarmonicCheeseburger, egg and chaseracer 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wuvvum Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 I think it tells us something that there is not a single French microcar owned by someone on this forum?I've had two Ligier Ambras if that counts? The diesel versions really are hopelessly underpowered on the open road though. Earlier today when I was taking Beko's Laguna estate for a drive down the B1192 there was one coming the other way, driven by a giffer and with a long queue of frustrated traffic behind it, including an artic tanker which pulled off a slightly dodgy overtaking manoeuvre to get past. They're a liability over here - slightly less so in France because the roads are less congested and other drivers are more used to them. The petrol ones are better - my petrol Ambra would do 60 (eventually). strangeangel, garethj and egg 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garethj Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 Mrs_garethj is French and she says the old ones were fine because they looked really odd and you could tell it was probably a banned drunk driver at the wheel. The newer ones look similar to a normal hatchback so one moment you spot it ahead of you on the road, then you're almost in the back of it. As Father Ted would say, it's small, not far away. And it's only doing about 20mph instead of the normal French speed of flat out. wuvvum and egg 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skut Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 I've always liked Sans Permis microcars but i didnt realise how shamelessly some now crib their styling. Aside from micro Minis & 500s is this mega shite micro Evoque. garethj, cros and holbeck 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pillock Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 Aren't the diesels powered by a dumper truck engine?According to Wikipedia, since 2013 in the UK you can drive some of those awful Axiam on an AM licence, as they're considered the same as a quad bike!https://www.gov.uk/driving-licence-categoriesI notice with interest the phrase "design speed" - so if an Axiam was designed not to exceed 40km/h, but then it "somehow" found itself with a bike engine, or a turbo'ed kei car motor or something, does the AM licence bit still apply? You've not changed the design if it.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mally Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 There's a hard core of elderly folk around here who run Aixams. I understand that, for nipping to the shops, they're economical, but surely they're hoplessly outclassed by literally any other car in every other respect? When Reliant ceased production, many who were driving on a motorcycle licience changed to Axiam because they could still drive them without another test. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UltraWomble Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 I think it tells us something that there is not a single French microcar owned by someone on this forum?Oddly enough Ive been looking at these most of the evening on eBay - the idea of one for work use ( where I drive cross town several times a day and then have to dick about trying to find a parking space big enough for the car) makes sense to me.55mph top speed of the "heavy" quadricycle is enough for in town.Sadly 16000 Euro for the GT CrossLine Axiam with radio and spare wheel is stupid fooking expensive and I'd rather just buy a C1 strangeangel 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UltraWomble Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 Rather handily, they can still be driven even if you're banned for drink-driving. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-35210572You see THIS is why we should stay in the EU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UltraWomble Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 Dunno if this one has been in a bump or whether the panel fit / colour is just shite in general:http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2008-AIXAM-CROSSLINE-LOW-MILES-LONG-MOT-MICROCAR-RELIANT-IN-CANNOCK-STAFFS-/192205442457?hash=item2cc0564d99:g:gMQAAOSw42dZMZS6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UltraWomble Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 This one has "James May" tax addedhttp://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Microcar-DX-Bubble-Car-Classic-Sans-Permis-50cc-Moped-James-May-connection-/132214349959?hash=item1ec896e087:g:bQEAAOSwH09ZMpUm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UltraWomble Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1979-AROLA-10-50cc-MICROCAR-3-WHEELER-BUBBLE-CAR-/162536077212?hash=item25d7e7b79c:g:DQMAAOSwaeRZLs2w Half of a Reliant Ant garethj 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asimo Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 You need to visit the bubble car museum. That would put you off. Really, if you want tiny, French and wank, you need Twizzy. egg and Dave_Q 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holbeck Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 My guilty secret. I've got some Erad history. I driven most of the models pictured above. (not the single seater, or the MG TC thing). Most of them were available in the 80's with a Petter AC1 diesel made by my employers. 360cc of throbbing power! (the truck got an LPA2 with 720cc). Monsieur Renard who owned the company, was that rare thing a French Anglophile, (Think Serge Gainsbourg, always a Galloise on the go). The factory had a perimeter road and it became a badge of honour to set a lap time with the Erad. Especially when we realised that it would go as fast in reverse! cros, CGSB, egg and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UltraWomble Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 You need to visit the bubble car museum. That would put you off. Really, if you want tiny, French and wank, you need Twizzy.image.jpegIf the Twizzy had a pez engine ( something sensible like a 172cc Villiers) I'd be all over one like a rash from a night with a mucky whore. HarmonicCheeseburger 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
somewhatfoolish Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 Most of them were available in the 80's with a Petter AC1 diesel made by my employers. 360cc of throbbing power! (the truck got an LPA2 with 720cc).Q. How the fuck would you get anywhere with 5hp?A. Slowly and at the cost of profound deafness from the AC1's dulcet tones and white finger induced by the vibration. Excellent for cement mixers, dumpers and generators, fuck all use for anything else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skut Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 Crashing one seems a trifle dangerous Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cros Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 Rather handily, they can still be driven even if you're banned for drink-driving. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-35210572Theres a bloke near me who's car can still be driven even though he's banned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holbeck Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 Q. How the fuck would you get anywhere with 5hp?A. Slowly and at the cost of profound deafness from the AC1's dulcet tones and white finger induced by the vibration. Excellent for cement mixers, dumpers and generators, fuck all use for anything else.You'd be surprised. 5hp is the continuous power rating. The automotive rating is nearer 8. They were fitted with a lightened flywheel and cvt transmission. 80 km/h was possible. strangeangel and egg 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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