Event Bulgaria Fest - Task complete

[dollywobbler]

I'm only concerned because of actually recording what I do. Mind you, I'm more than tempted to drive back knowing this is technically wrong, and point out what a farce that is. I'm not defrauding anyone. Could be a useful thing to discuss really.

[johngarty]

I'm only concerned because of actually recording what I do. Mind you, I'm more than tempted to drive back knowing this is technically wrong, and point out what a farce that is. I'm not defrauding anyone. Could be a useful thing to discuss really.

 

I for one hope you do. A 75% blog is a journalistic fail 

[andy18s]

Mind you, I'm more than tempted to drive back knowing this is technically wrong, and point out what a farce that is. I'm not defrauding anyone. Could be a useful thing to discuss really.

Personally,I'd make use of the Mot exemption clause to cover getting it home

Maybe not a good idea to bring it to the attention of the proles....

Some political upstart could make a point of getting it all changed or disbanded altogether

[Inspector Morose]

Now, as some may have seen, I'm now the proud* owner of the Wartburg 1.3, ex HMC. Is it possible for those travelling to bring back some trim parts for me please? I'm on the look out for c pillar vents, wing mirrors in black wiper arms - any other small trim bits pieces as spares are always useful. Any monies spent will be refunded with a drink on top and I'm only asking for small bits and pieces - I don't think I'll chance asking for a windscreen to be bought back!

 

Thanks to you all and chod speed!

[dollywobbler]

I fear we'll be flat out trying to find cars to bring back, so may not have time for parts hunting. If you can locate stuff that we can simply collect, that could work (anywhere along the route home, so not necessarily Bulgaria) but given we've no firm plans (and indeed no firm route home), we may still be able to disappoint you.

[Inspector Morose]

Just a thought. I'll just have to pop on over myself at some point then!

[dollywobbler]

A sensible thought, but sadly, this trip has been planned with more enthusiasm than sense, and I foresee a huge panic to find something before we have to head back. If we pull it off, this trip will be absolutely amazing, but there's more than a slight chance of it all going wrong and we end up flying home.

[Frogchod]

We have many many EEC nationals here now and there must have been thousands of UK reg cars driven back to their country of origin. I bet 0.01% were spending their waking hours hand wringing and trawling the web about getting yanked and bum raped after crossing a border.

Why are us British so obsessed with every microscopic exact letter of the law?

Sort the Insurance/breakdown, book an MOT if it makes you feel better, and DRIVE THE FUCKER HOME FFS.

There's an awfull lot of expats here driving around on UK plates who think the law doesn't apply to them. I hope none of the feckers run into me, I bet their insurance company would wriggle out of that claim.

 

Saying that, I'd have no worries about driving some Shite back temporarily insured on the VIN.

Done it myself in reverse bringing the reliant back to France.

[hairnet]

^^

 

this

 

insured in country of plate mot in country of plate - no problem drive to england

 

get to england - insure on vin - as you have legal mot in country of origin no problem - road tax in country of origin doesnt matter here as it cannot be verified and means nothing anyway

 

RH insurance were and are very helpful with this - © m blx - merci monsieur

 

used to be the case you had 6 months to reg and uk mot - its now within 2 weeks as nova shortened that when the rules changed - if youre that worried about uk mot pre book one when you get here but thats just being over cautious

 

youve ragged it (gently) 2000 miles to get back here - youre gonna be careful arent you  (spesh in deutschland)

[catsinthewelder]

There is currently a discussion going on between the group since we found out that a law has changed in Bulgaria which means that you need an ID card to buy a car.  Does anybody know if a foreign passport would work?

 

This EU website tells me that we have a right as EU citizens to buy a car in any European country but I don't fancy trying to argue that to an angry Bulgarian official who speaks English as well as I speak Bulgarian.

 

Plan B and C are flying into Sofia and renting a car that can be driven into Romania and Greece to buy a car.  Not necessarily that much easier though as those countries also require a visit to an official notary and we don't have any contacts there.

[dollywobbler]

I may have a contact in Bucharest. Well, someone there has commented on one of my videos. Will see if anything develops. A Dacia of some sort is mighty tempting. The 'classic' ones are fast going up in price, but the later 12-based ones with the plastic grille are pure Autoshite, and cheap as chips.

[hairnet]

watch about hiring a car and crossing borders

 

they can and do get very sniffy

[dollywobbler]

That's been looked into. I've done it before and had no bother at all.

[catsinthewelder]

I work at a car hire place so know what the score is.  Whether I can work out what the score is when we collect a car in the wee small hours in a language I can't even read is debatable at best. though!

 

Обещавам да не го сринем или да го прекарам през границата.

[panhard65]

I work at a car hire place so know what the score is.  Whether I can work out what the score is when we collect a car in the wee small hours in a language I can't even read is debatable at best. though!

 

Обещавам да не го сринем или да го прекарам през границата.

I hired a car in southern France and when mentioning we were going to Spain and Andorra we were told there was an extra charge per country.  It does sound like a bit of grief buying out there.

[catsinthewelder]

I charge people £30 for a weeks greencard to go anywhere in europe  (which is what our insurance company usually charge us).

 

One hire place will do Greece and Romania for E50,  the other one wants E50 per country and E70 for any none EU country like Serbia.  I'm not even going to ask about Kosovo.

 

I need to have a ring round this week regarding insurance as Peter James will cover an imported and unregistered car for 30 days but not for road use.

[Ghosty]

(AltGr and the 4 key makes a € sign)

[TataBobu]

I may have a contact in Bucharest. Well, someone there has commented on one of my videos. Will see if anything develops. A Dacia of some sort is mighty tempting. The 'classic' ones are fast going up in price, but the later 12-based ones with the plastic grille are pure Autoshite, and cheap as chips.

 

Watch out for those, they are made of rust and spit. I know, I have one. It's three rains away from becoming Fred Flintstone's car.

 

About buying from Romania: you have to get a green card insurance (valid 30 days), make a contract of sale with the seller, get the stamp from his tax office (so no buying in Bucuresti cars from Iasi, someone has to go to Iasi and get a stamp on some papers). And you're done with the seller. After that I have no idea what you should do to export it. Probably you can drive it without restrictions.

[catsinthewelder]

Greece possibly looking tricky too

 

https://www.angloinfo.com/how-to/greece/transport/vehicle-ownership/buying-a-used-car

 

 

Documents requiredWhen buying a secondhand car, the following documents are required for the transfer of ownership and registration:

• Certified copy of proof of identity of both the buyer and seller
• KTEO document (MOT) from the seller
• Proof of circulation tax payment
• Documentation of receipt of payment by the seller (an invoice marked paid)
• Request for transfer and registration of the car ownership (document Aitisi)
• Vehicle registration document, certified by the local tax office proving that the annual vehicle tax has been paid
• Power of attorney, if registration is carried out by a third party
• Foreign citizens need to provide their Residence Permit (Aδεια παραμονης)
• Registration fee

[dollywobbler]

Romania or bust?

[catsinthewelder]

So where do we buy cars in Albania?

[The Moog]

So where do we buy cars in Albania?

Reckon you could pass for Norman Wisdom? He is supposed to be a legend out there so might get a discount.

[catsinthewelder]

I think I would struggle.

 

I'm wondering if the easiest way would be to find a car for sale near a border,  then offer the seller more than the asking price if they will drive it over the border.  Drive the car back with the documents still in the sellers name and reregister it when we get back.

 

So we could drive a Bulgarian car back through Greece, Albania, Croatia etc  Is this a really bad idea?

 

I know there are some countries that this wouldn't work in.  I started planning to find an old van and drive it down through Spain to Morocco then sell it and fly back but gave up when I realised that I would be hit with about £5000 of import duties if I tried to leave Morocco without the van.

[catsinthewelder]

V55 dropped through the door this morning

 

[The Moog]

Eager beaver

[dave21478]

I dont know the ins and outs of it, but surely needing an ID card to buy a car in bulgaria is only relevant if you want to register it there? If you are immediately taking it out of the country, who cares if it doesnt get re-registered with a new keeper in Bulgaria? The seller might have a problem "de-registering" it if thats a thing, but surely there is a way of them declaring it exported, or even scrapped? 

[Guest Hooli]

(AltGr and the 4 key makes a € sign)

 

So does Ctrl+Alt+4.

[Brodders]

I dont know the ins and outs of it, but surely needing an ID card to buy a car in bulgaria is only relevant if you want to register it there? If you are immediately taking it out of the country, who cares if it doesnt get re-registered with a new keeper in Bulgaria? The seller might have a problem "de-registering" it if thats a thing, but surely there is a way of them declaring it exported, or even scrapped?

I agree with you, and I am sure that there will be provisions in place for exporting a car from Bulgaria, as there are here. The problem is that we are having trouble finding any guidance on how it is done.

 

Although there is a bit about buying a car and keeping it in Bulgaria, there seems to be very little relating to what we want to do, even on the country's customs website. I suppose that is to be expected, as there are probably no more than a dozen people in the world who would even think exporting a car from Bulgaria and driving back across Europe would be a good idea (most of whom are on here). However, please be assured that all avenues of enquiry are being explored in order to ensure some top drawer shite makes it back to the UK.

[andy18s]

A big problem is there sometimes a lot of different regs in place for each different municipality

What works on Veliko Tarnova may differ slightly in Sofia

I'll ask a couple of locals and try get more of an idea

[Inspector Morose]

So does Ctrl+Alt+4.

And so does holding alt down and typing 0128