Any of youse want to read the future of diesel burning vehicles?

[castros_bro]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-38170794

[Guest Hooli]

Oh well, never mind. The buses will make up for the reduced pollution.

[NorfolkNWeigh]

Thanks for that, I'm about to spend shitloads on a new* diesel.

 

Problem is there are no used petrol cars- my Autotrader search parameters this morning was Post 2010, A6,E Class and 5 Series under £9,0000.

Guess how many petrols........

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1! An A6 2.0 TFSi manual, not exactly an engine famed for its durability, so some sort of diesel it'll be.

Oh, and it'll be a 2.0 too , hardly any 3.0 diesels anymore- fucking company car tax regulations.

[Bren]

They are deffo dying a slow death.

[lisbon_road]

Reading some of the stuff about nano particles is nasty.  It isn't going away.

 

Whenever I read about 'electric, hydrogen and hybrid', I'm suspicious.  Hybrid is only a different type of transmission; it doesn't make that much difference.

 

Guess we have VW to blame for all this - they brought attention on the issues.

 

Seems a shame to me that gas powered cars are not more popular.  Very low levels of particulates and very simple technology.  And trolleybuses - such simple technology compared with hydrogen, hybrids, all this stuff that is so complicated.

[castros_bro]

Blame the EU and others as they have set minimum standards for air quality for whichever authority has local responsibility has (or should have) been monitoring  air quality and putting measure in place to meet the standards.  10ish years ago I was calibrating long term pollution monitoring gas analysers which (with the wind in the right direction) would indicate the increase in air pollution caused by the rush hour on the M3  1.2km distant.  Oh look the incidents of childhood asthma have increased.  

[cort16]

Thanks for that, I'm about to spend shitloads on a new* diesel.

 

Problem is there are no used petrol cars- my Autotrader search parameters this morning was Post 2010, A6,E Class and 5 Series under £9,0000.

Guess how many petrols........

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1! An A6 2.0 TFSi manual, not exactly an engine famed for its durability, so some sort of diesel it'll be.

Oh, and it'll be a 2.0 too , hardly any 3.0 diesels anymore- fucking company car tax regulations.

 

 

What a about a lexus? GS450H if you're brave.

[oldcars]

How easy is it to put a 1800 kettle into my diesel 75?

[NorfolkNWeigh]

What a about a lexus? GS450H if you're brave.

Id love one but no boot- it's full of electricity.

[sierraman]

So is this including lorries as well?

 

I've a diesel I obviously just don't care about the environment.

[DodgeRover]

Well I have a smug I told you so feeling after I posted a warning about the Ultra LEZ in London and got 2 pages of slagging saying it would never happen on RR.

I believe I read tailpipe emmisions of NOx are worse from moderns than earlier diesels.

 

So is this including lorries as well?

 

I've a diesel I obviously just don't care about the environment.

London LEZ already includes everything commercial diesel above a small van needs to be Euro 4 or 5 minimum or pay a £100 a day or more charge.

[Bren]

When petrol engines become the norm again unleaded will shoot up in price.

 

A few of us have been enjoying cheap luxo barges the last few years - the death knell for the diesel may also kill off big petrol engines.

[castros_bro]

I believe I read tailpipe emmisions of NOx are worse from moderns than earlier diesels.

 

This is basically true as the regulations were designed to stop the black smoke/ big bits of carbon (you can see the pollution so it must exist) and didn't cover the resultant increase in NOX and smaller particles of carbon (you can't see it so it doesn't exist).    All of it was good start but not a complete solution and still there's no test for NOX emissions on a diesel MOT.     

[PhilA]

They should bring back old diesels. They made big sooty particles that are less easy to ingest and get caught in snot.

 

Also, Liverpool would have all its buildings return to the correct color they should be- black.

 

 

 

--Phil

[eddyramrod]

How easy is it to put a 1800 kettle into my diesel 75?

Don't bother, just make me an offer for my 2.0V6 example!

[Jim Bell]

Oh no, it causes cancer. Like cigarettes. Best get rid of it and keep cigattetes.

[mercrocker]

How about we get rid of politicians?   We're all going to die anyway.

[Pillock]

How are people going to move around the city if they can't drive? Public transport is too expensive, it's OK for the odd jaunt as a tourist but you couldn't rely on it to get to work every day without putting aside a wodge of cash.

 

I went into that London last week for work. Fiver to park at the station, went from Stanmore to Camden, then Fulham and back to get my car. Total cost including parking was £16.... For one day. But when they ban diesels I'll have no option which sounds a bit like extortion.

[catsinthewelder]

I believe that public transport is noticeably cheaper with a season ticket.

 

Hopefully citywide diesel bans will benefit those of us in the countryside who don't get any public transport.

[Craig the Princess]

How are people going to move around the city if they can't drive? Public transport is too expensive, it's OK for the odd jaunt as a tourist but you couldn't rely on it to get to work every day without putting aside a wodge of cash.

 

I went into that London last week for work. Fiver to park at the station, went from Stanmore to Camden, then Fulham and back to get my car. Total cost including parking was £16.... For one day. But when they ban diesels I'll have no option which sounds a bit like extortion.

Or use a petrol car? But parking in Camden will quickly get up towards the £16 mark anyway. Use the buses if you have the time? London is a hot mess travel wise.

[LostnotFound]

London wise it's simple, ride a motorbike in.

 

Unless you want to ride to Westminster, in which case you'll pay to park.

 

Oh and you then have the cost of insurance / replacing your bike when it's stolen.

 

But don't rush out and get an old beater to bring that cost down as they are looking to ban older bikes from the centre.....

[Dick Cheeseburger]

All pales into insignificance when you sit back and think of the damage nuclear weapons and mismanaged plant waste are likely to do to this green and pleasant land over the longer term. Banning dervs from some big cities is about as valuable as forcing a heroin addict to go cold turkey, then arranging for them to meet up with Pete Doherty for a jam session.

[bigstraight6]

Great, so the vehicles I drive to make a living and the one that gets me to and from my place of work could well be banned in the future, I can't picture a future where I'm driving a Sinclair C5 to work on a December morning like today's only to be coaxing an electric powered lorry up Penpillick Hill with a full load on.......

[dieselassist]

....more strategic 'fuelling policies' n regulation to suit the suppliers to the market; 8 years ago we were told here in Ireland that diesel's were 'cleaning burning' n released less noxious gasses than petrols; a massively re duced tax rate after 08 was announced; admittedly under pressure from SIMI to buoy up car sales; but  emission rates were on a scale, with modern diesels at the time 'scoring very low' on the emissions emitted - lots of science,  n not up for debate studies, being sited, by the then government; the Green party being the 'mudguard'; minor party,...

 

...low n behold all the science of the past has been wrong n dieselz is much more damaging to the pedestrian / pre-adult height challenged minor, than petrolz; what a surprise; its all down to the diesel emitted 'matter' lingering in the air, n while it does it can poison, but diesel emissions are heavier so fall to ground quicker; petrol emmissions lighter n float about the air for much longer, but less harmful? or have I got that wrong??...  BREAKZ IT DOWNZ FIR ME SCIENCEZ BOFFINZ, IZ LIKE A SPONGE FIR NEW FANGLED SCIENEZ....lol

[Noel Tidybeard]

How easy is it to put a 1800 kettle into my diesel 75?

 

lie it on its side it will go in the boot no problem

[Bobthebeard]

Dunno about banning diesel vehicles to reduce pollution really. One big smelly diesel bus would remove 80 ish of the cars that cause gridlock for miles around the local school twice a day. Every car invariably contains one adult and one child. Surely a few buses would cause less pollution and help with the general flow of traffic, ie less pollution.

[pompei]

I'm probably being thick here but how will we shift stuff to and from the centre of cities?  I'm thinking anything from Transit parcel drops to big lorry deliveries. And how will the common man be ferried around if not in buses?  I know that some cities have trams but that sort of infrastructure takes decades to plan and implement.

[forddeliveryboy]

My hunch is that it's the invisibilisation of the smoke which is proving the killer, the authorities have been almost silent on nano-particles so I guess they're more lethal than anyone dares think. The particles are so tiny they pass right into and through the lung linings, aggravating problems associated with NOx and the other nasties - not least the leukæmia-making benzene in petrol.

 

Back in the 1970s, the days of real smoke which left even the crows spluttering and diesels with enough unburnt fuel in the exhaust to run a 106XND on, how many kids had asthma inhalers? Now, they're ten-a-penny in the classrooms of England.

 

The diesel has been a victim of its own success, I'll hang onto a good 'whispering' OM60x - simple, tough and almost everlasting. 

 

In the longer run there's a problem with toxic particulates from tyres (about 100mg/vkm) which are already accounting for more than half of the overall emissions from the mix of cars on the road, the only easy answer is to make lightweight cars and ride around on rubber so hard it never wears.

[Pillock]

Can't we just wait ten years until they realise that the latest research, which contradicts research done ten years ago, is also not actually right?

 

They keep changing their minds about what is cleaner, and the car buying public is just meant to go and buy a new car every time they announce the latest findings.

[Bobthebeard]

My hunch is that it's the invisibilisation of the smoke which is proving the killer, the authorities have been almost silent on nano-particles so I guess they're more lethal than anyone dares think. The particles are so tiny they pass right into and through the lung linings, aggravating problems associated with NOx and the other nasties - not least the leukæmia-making benzene in petrol.

 

Back in the 1970s, the days of real smoke which left even the crows spluttering and diesels with enough unburnt fuel in the exhaust to run a 106XND on, how many kids had asthma inhalers? Now, they're ten-a-penny in the classrooms of England.

 

The diesel has been a victim of its own success, I'll hang onto a good 'whispering' OM60x - simple, tough and almost everlasting. 

 

In the longer run there's a problem with toxic particulates from tyres (about 100mg/vkm) which are already accounting for more than half of the overall emissions from the mix of cars on the road, the only easy answer is to make lightweight cars and ride around on rubber so hard it never wears.

Or bring back school buses. Millions of cars with one child belting out particles of rubber and fumes....