'93 Mondy thread - (very) partial PAS fluid change

62,368 · May 17, 2022

Nice idea @LightBulbFun, that would give a much better idea of the total 'population' remaining - even just the total before 1st August would be something.

20,313 · May 17, 2022

It takes the hamster spinning the wheel at DooVLA fucking months to process a V62 at the moment.... How long do you think it's going to take them to search through the archives and see how many K-reg Mondeos are left 😉😂

20,548 · May 17, 2022

4 hours ago, RoverFolkUs said:

It takes the hamster spinning the wheel at DooVLA fucking months to process a V62 at the moment.... How long do you think it's going to take them to search through the archives and see how many K-reg Mondeos are left 😉😂

if they know its a result of me, they tend to get shit done pretty fucking quickly "Oh shit its HIM!" is how I imagine it goes down

for example back in April 2021 I helped someone get the logbook for their AC Model 70, and they turned that V62 around in 9 days LOL (V62 was posted off on the 20th and the V5c was issued on the 29th)

all of the Mondeo stuff will be current data on the main computer system so really should not take too long to bring up, its not like trying to apply for the Logbook for an Invacar Mk12 that was last on the road in 1979

(its only Data Pre 1983 that you have to worry about them having to dig around in the archives for, everything 1983 onwards is still on the main computer system)

62,368 · May 17, 2022

I've sent the request, so we shall see what we shall see.

13,533 · May 17, 2022

Of those on your list that I've seen, it's a shame that K923 TGV now appears to be out of use, but K568 NMG is still showing up as having tax and test.

Looks like it should click over 100k before its next MoT.

2,975 · May 17, 2022

I remember when my Family set off for a holiday to France in the early hours of 1/8/1993 we were overtaken on the motorway buy 3 L reg Mondeos.

Either they were being delivered or had been picked up from a midnight showroom opening, which was a common event when the year letter changed.

3,298 · May 17, 2022

Right…so here’s where things get slightly muddy regarding K-plate Mondeos.

As you may or may not know, there were a few hundred examples built for what Ford called STB - Start Training Build.

As far as I can work out, the earliest UK-registered examples were built in Genk, Belgium roughly between 19th October 1992 and 7th December 1992.

For reasons unknown a large portion of these Mondeos that were built were registered in the UK as a SIERRA!

Whether this was because they weren’t allowed to sell them as a Mondeo, or they were trying to avoid any leaks to the press it’s not clear.

The list below is compiled from Etis and that shows the builds were classed on there as a Mondeo but the reg numbers ran through Vehicle Smart app, they came back as Model:Sierra.

There may be errors and some may well be Sierras but I’m confident that these are among the very first Mondeos ever built. You will also notice that a lot of them had their tax surrendered in 1995\96 which hints to quite a few of them remaining at Ford HQ and a select few actually entering the UK second hand market.

Sorry for the primary school-style list, someone may want to knock it into an excel or something.

Anyway, enjoy…

REG MODEL FIRST REG TAX DUE LAST V5 ISSUED

K411 FPU SIERRA 4.12.1992 26.2.1996 10.12.1992

K412 FPU SIERRA 4.12.1992 31.7.2007 5.4.2004

K413 FPU SIERRA 4.12.1992 12.6.1995 10.12.1992

K415 FPU SIERRA 4.12.1992 13.6.1994 10.12.1992

K417 FPU SIERRA 4.12.1992 6.12.1994 10.12.1992

K418 FPU SIERRA 4.12.1992 12.6.1995 10.12.1992

K419 FPU SIERRA 4.12.1992 27.6.1995 10.12.1992

K440 FPU MONDEO 15.12.1992 31.8.2009 22.7.1994

K442 FPU SIERRA 15.12.1992 12.6.1995 21.12.1992

K443 FPU SIERRA 15.12.1992 30.11.1995 21.12.1992

K779 FVX SIERRA 15.12.1992 13.6.1994 28.4.1995

K780 FVX SIERRA 15.12.1992 C.2012

K781 FVX SIERRA 15.12.1992 12.6.1995 21.12.1992

K782 FVX SIERRA 15.12.1992 13.6.1994 24.10.1994

K783 FVX MONDEO 15.12.1992 16.10.1995 24.4.1996

K784 FVX SIERRA 15.12.1992 12.6.1995 21.12.1992

K807 FVX SIERRA 7.1.1993 31.12.1994 14.1.1993

K808 FVX SIERRA 7.1.1993 10.1.1995 14.1.1993

K809 FVX MONDEO 7.1.1993 C.2006

K810 FVX SIERRA 7.1.1993 10.1.1995 14.1.1993

K811 FVX SIERRA 7.1.1993 10.1.1995 14.1.1993

K812 FVX SIERRA 7.1.1993 10.1.1995 14.1.1993

K813 FVX SIERRA 7.1.1993 10.1.1995 14.1.1993

K814 FVX SIERRA 7.1.1993 10.1.1995 14.1.1993

K815 FVX SIERRA 7.1.1993 10.1.1995 14.1.1993

K834 FVX U/KNOWN 21.1.1993 28.7.2005 4.12.2004

K836 FVX MONDEO 13.1.1993 C.2009

K885 FVX MONDEO 21.1.1993 31.10.2003 4.11.2002

K902 FVX MONDEO 21.1.1993 31.5.2003 14.6.2002

K945 FVX SIERRA 27.1.1993 7.7.1995 23.2.1996

K946 FVX SIERRA 27.1.1993 7.7.1995 2.2.1993

K947 FVX SIERRA 27.1.1993 7.7.1995 2.2.1993

K948 FVX SIERRA 27.1.1993 1.2.1996 5.7.1996

K949 FVX SIERRA 27.1.1993 11.3.1996 2.2.1993

K950 FVX SIERRA 27.1.1993 10.1.1995 2.2.1993

K951 FVX SIERRA 27.1.1993 29.1.1996 2.2.1993

K952 FVX SIERRA 27.1.1993 ?

K953 FVX SIERRA 27.1.1993 10.1.1995 2.2.1993

K903 EHJ MONDEO 21.1.1993 9.3.2006 5.1.2006

20,548 · May 17, 2022

On 17/05/2022 at 22:56, greengartside said:

Whether this was because they weren’t allowed to sell them as a Mondeo, or they were trying to avoid any leaks to the press it’s not clear.

a probable additional reason for the Mondeo's registered as Sierra's is because the DVLA did not have the computer setup for the Mondeo Model type yet

see a vehicle's data in the DVLA computer is stored in coded form and then decoded back out via a lookup table, anytime someone asks for it (ie you use the DVLA lookup tool or they print off a V5c etc)

this was done to save space back in October 1974 when the DVLA computer was first setup and has remained the same ever since

so for example a Ford Mondeo LX is stored, as: M1 631 02

Make Code: M1 (Ford)

Model code: 631 (Mondeo LX)

body type code: 02 (4 door saloon)

and so forth, colour, wheel plan, taxation class and fuel type are other items all stored in coded form (which is why you NEVER see those items miss-spelt)

notice how much space that saves over having to store all that in fully worded form

now the DVLA computer does have provisions to enter a custom fully worded make, for where its something obscure and no pre-determined make code exists

but there is no method to enter a custom *model* name after you have selected a pre-existing make code (like M1 for ford) or are entering a custom make, this is also why more obscure vehicles, and vintage imports/re-registrations often will have the entire make and model, all in the vehicle make field

like so

so I imagine Ford just registered them as Sierra's as that was the closest thing available on the DVLA computer at the time (and I have noticed some where just simply registered without any Model code, those that show up as Ford Unknown in the MOT checker are such examples)

vehicles being stored in coded format like this, is also why you will slight discrepancies between say what the 1st party checker says and the MOT checker says, or whats on your V5c, because its up to the the tool to decode the code however it likes according to its own lookup table provided by whoever (for example the MOT checker always decodes Model code 000 as "UNKNOWN" hence why you will always get "INVACAR UNKNOWN" on the MOT checker, but it does not say Unknown on the V5c)

im pretty sure as you say they are all Mondeo's as they also all share very similar engine numbers (unless the Sierra also used the same engine as the first Mondeo's? I dont know enough about my fords so someone else will have to answer that!)

some of those with no taxation details are interesting like K780FVX which despite not having any MOT history (so off the road since before 2006) and having NO keeper changes (so still registered to ford?) was marked scrapped in 2012, indicating it managed to survive somewhere (with ford?) for quite a while before being sadly scrapped (Last V5c for it was issued 21-12-1992)

and K952FVX has no markers against it but is DVLA hidden, as if someone tried to apply for its logbook with the VIN number from a different car (which will cause the DVLA to hide the record from the 1st party tool, but it will remain visible to 3rd party checkers) its either that or it was sent over to NI at some point but managed to retain its english mark (computerised NI vehicles that fell out of use before the 2014 merge, dont show up on the DVLA 1st party site but will do on 3rd party sites)

3,298 · May 17, 2022

That’s impressive work, LBF! That does make a lot more sense with discrepancies that I find in cars.

The engines were all new Zetec units in the Mondeo. Nothing carried over from the Sierra.

K780 FVX sounds like it was a car that may have been donated to a college for training purposes? I know when I was at college we had a Fiesta XR2i (G110 XVX if you want to look that up) that was directly from Ford. It was used as a training mule for the Zetec engine that was fitted in the Mondeo amongst others. That was registered 18.9.1989, untaxed since 1992 and scrapped by the college in 2003/04, still being registered to Ford at the time.

2,975 · May 18, 2022

It used to be common for press cars & such to be registered as Unknown as the model name.

62,368 · May 21, 2022

On 17/05/2022 at 22:56, greengartside said:

The list below is compiled from Etis and that shows the builds were classed on there as a Mondeo but the reg numbers ran through Vehicle Smart app, they came back as Model:Sierra.

Thanks for this work, of course my FOI won't pick up anything the DVLA thinks is a Sierra, not that there will be many of these anyway.

FoI has been acknowledged, so we will wait and see.

9,442 · May 21, 2022

9 hours ago, egg said:

Thanks for this work, of course my FOI won't pick up anything the DVLA thinks is a Sierra, not that there will be many of these anyway.

FoI has been acknowledged, so we will wait and see.

Could you do another FOI asking for details of 1597cc and 1796cc "Sierras" as they would have to be Mondeos, wouldn't they?

62,368 · May 26, 2022

Another one for the list. Supposedly over 300,000 miles!! For sale on Facebook.

3,391 · May 26, 2022

On 5/21/2022 at 11:30 PM, adw1977 said:

Could you do another FOI asking for details of 1597cc and 1796cc "Sierras" as they would have to be Mondeos, wouldn't they?

Did the Sierra not come with a 1.6 or 1.8 engine?

9,442 · May 26, 2022

29 minutes ago, Eyersey1234 said:

Did the Sierra not come with a 1.6 or 1.8 engine?

Yes, but different engines with different capacities.

(Oct 1992 brochure)

39,340 · May 27, 2022

The 1.6 and the 1.8 were both CVH units, the last ones being both the CFI which was basically an SPI fitted to conform with emissions. A Zetec in the Sierra would have transformed it, the old CVH was notable for being extremely coarse if you gave it some stick.

62,368 · May 27, 2022

I've got the FoI request response. First thing - they've missed the base models! (I've queried this) Probably because my V5 literally only says Mondeo without any trim level specified. Numbers are low!

= 159 SORN, 30 taxed.

62,368 · May 27, 2022

The latest sweep I did - I had 18 taxed models on my list (but that's a moving number of course) so I have a fair proportion of the road legal ones.

20,548 · May 27, 2022

13 minutes ago, egg said:

I've got the FoI request response. First thing - they've missed the base models! (I've queried this) Probably because my V5 literally only says Mondeo without any trim level specified. Numbers are low!

= 159 SORN, 30 taxed.

Awesome! glad to see that worked

if they get a bit stuck,

the model code for a Ford Mondeo no trim is 630, so you might be able to tell them that so, I belive the official term for this code is DTP Model code (and DTP Make code) I have not been able to find out what DTP stands for mind! (other then maybe Department of Transport something?)

K155OPX comes back as M1 (Ford) 630 (Mondeo)

I do feel for you here in that with my Invacar obsession I can sleep well at night knowing, that I find an Invacar in need of saving, that I know there are several willing and waiting good homes for it

even if it has been on fire and abandoned in an overgrown field for 35 years!

but I feel sad seeing these K prefix Mondeo's in need of saving that have no home to go to!

3,391 · May 27, 2022

21 minutes ago, LightBulbFun said:

Awesome! glad to see that worked

if they get a bit stuck,

the model code for a Ford Mondeo no trim is 630, so you might be able to tell them that so, I belive the official term for this code is DTP Model code (and DTP Make code) I have not been able to find out what DTP stands for mind! (other then maybe Department of Transport something?)

K155OPX comes back as M1 (Ford) 630 (Mondeo)

I do feel for you here in that with my Invacar obsession I can sleep well at night knowing, that I find an Invacar in need of saving, that I know there are several willing and waiting good homes for it

even if it has been on fire and abandoned in an overgrown field for 35 years!

but I feel sad seeing these K prefix Mondeo's in need of saving that have no home to go to!

I wish I was in a position to have taken one of them on, a K plate Mondy I mean though I wouldn't say no to an Invacar though my Mrs would probably say what the fuck is that? 🤣

20,313 · May 27, 2022

4 hours ago, Eyersey1234 said:

I wish I was in a position to have taken one of them on, a K plate Mondy I mean though I wouldn't say no to an Invacar though my Mrs would probably say what the fuck is that? 🤣

Give one to stepdaughter for her first car?

LBF seems content enough with an invacar for his first car! 😂

3,391 · May 27, 2022

34 minutes ago, RoverFolkUs said:

Give one to stepdaughter for her first car?

LBF seems content enough with an invacar for his first car! 😂

Very tempting 🤣🤣🤣🤣 she would say fuck off you silly twat I'm not driving that fucker 🤣🤣

20,313 · May 27, 2022

16 minutes ago, Eyersey1234 said:

Very tempting 🤣🤣🤣🤣 she would say fuck off you silly twat I'm not driving that fucker 🤣🤣

Hmm, is it driving or riding though, only 3 wheels 😄

3,391 · May 27, 2022

1 hour ago, RoverFolkUs said:

Hmm, is it driving or riding though, only 3 wheels 😄

@LightBulbFunprobably best to answer this 🤣🤣

62,368 · May 28, 2022

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/698103904579608/

Link to the ad for K39 XEA. States 328,000 miles - surely highest mileage one left - petrol as well!

2,570 · May 28, 2022

16 minutes ago, egg said:

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/698103904579608/

Link to the ad for K39 XEA. States 328,000 miles - surely highest mileage one left - petrol as well!

Probably ex company rep/salesman/taxi, if I had the room, I would buy it, they still look good now, like the SD1

9,519 · May 28, 2022

16 minutes ago, egg said:

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/698103904579608/

Link to the ad for K39 XEA. States 328,000 miles - surely highest mileage one left - petrol as well!

Near @St.Jude, or at least it says it's in Stourbridge.

19,422 · May 28, 2022

41 minutes ago, AnnoyingPentium said:

Near @St.Jude, or at least it says it's in Stourbridge.

I even know the car park.

I’m that sad!

20,313 · May 28, 2022

2 hours ago, egg said:

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/698103904579608/

Link to the ad for K39 XEA. States 328,000 miles - surely highest mileage one left - petrol as well!

Very weird mileage history on that, wonder what went on there (apart from the supposed new clocks)

Went from 314k, to 1k, 3k, 4k, 6k, 10k, 328k, unreadable, 15k, unreadable again 🤔

Also - HFM!? I know they're rare but its just a bog standard MK1 Mondeo with 328k or whatever miles that has somehow managed to survive. Be surprised if it actually sells for more than a grand, even that's got to be pushing it!

Be impressed if its not an oil burner at that mileage!

62,368 · May 29, 2022

10 hours ago, RoverFolkUs said:

Also - HFM!?

agreed silly price. After prices went up quite a lot in the last 12 months, they seem to have stabilised.

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