Volvo 5 cylinder torque converter autos confined to history

[Chas4545]

Just realised that Volvo no longer make 5 cylinder dizzle  torque converter cars. There are a few AWD being made but thats it. 4 cylinder 8 speed double clutch gearbox stuff now.

Jeez. Thats me stuffed for cheap used high milers in the future. Cant see them lasting long enough to become cheap enough.

[gordonbennet]

What never ceases to amaze me is the buyers of used versions of things like that, people actively wanting to buy out of warranty the most complicated wallet emptying versions of such cars.

 

Lets think now, DPF check, ridiculously complicated gearbox check, electric parking brake check, WCPGW with any of that or all the other pointless electronic shit stuffed in.

 

Been saying it for years, you've got to buy rustproof and maintain lovingly those remaining good cars made up till about 2004/5, or made up to about year 2000 for some makes who embraced all this shit earlier, cos this gadget laden crap aint gunna be around at 10 years old let alone 20+.

 

Our mixed make lorry fleet max age 5 years, are with each new generation proving increasingly troublesome too, they're stuffed to the gills with pointless crap too.

[garethj]

Perhaps it will just lower the price of newer cars if they're beyond economic repair at 7 years old. Instead of us deadbeats driving cars that are 20 years old, they'll be 8 years old but 200 quid.

 

The Renault Laguna is setting the standard for the future!

[dugong]

In that vein, I doubt my C4 is going to see its 10th birthday at this rate.

[Chas4545]

Its the only car with all that  complication that I do buy rediculously cheap, and happily add loads of trouble free miles . My experience - just sayin.

 

Now its gone.

[Lacquer Peel]

Aren't Volvo downsizing to a 3-4 cylinder engine range? I thought the 5 pot was history already.

[rml2345]

Do they still make 5 pot pez autos?

[R9UKE]

I was just reminding myself today of the wonders of a 5 pot Volvo auto setup.

 

 

It is sad. My big fetish is a normal looking car with a big V6 under the bonnet and these have pretty much been history since around 2007. It is sad, just means we gotta keep the spirit of shite alive to preserve.

[RichL]

Volvo's latest idea is Petrol/Electric/Plug-In/Hybrid. Or something like that. XC90 T8 anyone?

[scaryoldcortina]

Self drive powered by Microsoftâ„¢

[garethj]

That'll be fine, as long as you're not approaching a challenging series of bends when Adobe needs to update and hangs the entire fucking system

[Inspector Morose]

And you won't be able to turn it off for fucking hours when you get home from work as it'll be updating.

[rantingYoof]

The XC-90s engines are ALL 2.0 four pots. Petrols with varying degrees of power, including the plug-in hybrid, and I think a single diesel (D5) with around 215hp.

 

It's a risky punt considering competitors are producing six cylinder engines which are only slightly less frugal but sound a lot better, and have a bit more "natural" grunt to them.

 

SnrYoof was recently looking for a new car and I happened upon a NEW shape BMW 528. This has a 3.0 straight six with a complimacated turbo/twin-charge set-up (I UNNO), but the up-shot was well over 200hp, £180 a year to tax, and a combined mpg of 40.

 

 

Granted, I think modern Bimmers are souless rep-driven blurrrrrges, but what an engine!

[Split_Pin]

My dad had an 06 plate S60 with a 5 pot diesel and a proper auto and his example didnt even last 9 years before the gearbox started to die. 61k, fsh and my dad was very careful with it. He chopped it in for a newer manual model but it has 10x more of other things that I havent the heart to tell him will give greater trouble even sooner.

[rantingYoof]

Not sure how Volvo survived the 2000s really...naturally-aspirated engines had the thirst of the turbo engines with twice the power but diabolical performance, especially in the V70, the Geartronic autobox was made of chocolate, the five cylinder diesels were generally impossible to consistently eek 40mpg from, the S60 in particular has a shocking turning circle, no rear leg-room and a small boot, and the XC-90 was just an unreliable behemoth which, for some reason, was also incredibly popular.

 

I think people really bought into the safety thing. Apparently it took until a couple of years ago for the first person to be killed in an accident in an XC-90 in Sweden (it was launched in 2002), and a old-ish XC-90 recently managed to pass a brand new American safety test with better results than most of the native SUVs.

 

I'm a Volvo fanboy. I love my S60 as the issues it does have don't bother me at all - I'm not a minicabber, I rarely have passengers or luggage - but you really need to pick out the right models. Manual 'box, find a LPT petrol model (2.0T, which is 150hp plus a boost to 180hp or the 2.4T, which is around 170hp with a boost to 200hp) and you're good for 30mpg, and make sure it's specced up, and you're onto a winner.

 

Not sure I can got along with the idea of a 2.0 4 pot XC-90, even if I think they look aweeeeesome. I hope a juicy engine is put into the new S90/V90.

[Junkman]

1978 Rolls Royce Silver Shadows do have torque converters.

They even have torque that can be converted.

[warren t claim]

The VW DSG auto box is well liked in the taxi trade as in its 7 speed guise it lasts very well. Although as this is Autoshite you probably don't want to hear that.

[gordonbennet]

The VW DSG auto box is well liked in the taxi trade as in its 7 speed guise it lasts very well. Although as this is Autoshite you probably don't want to hear that.

 

Thats interesting, what they doing with them servicing wise to help them last?

 

Can only agree with Ranting Yoof's post, my lad only got rid of his S60 with the 5 pot 180odd hp manual Diesel this year, simply too small for his now 2 nippers, i reckon it had a crafty remap in its history cos i've never felt the acceleration that thing had from an under 200hp car of that sort of size.

If it had been the estate he would have kept it.

He's replaced it with a 57 plate Bummer 325 petrol estate,  time will tell, so far its had all the coils replaced and he's had all the fluids replaced and the car gone through by his boyhood friend indy garage, so if it shits itself i'll soon be on here letting the jury know.

[NorfolkNWeigh]

The XC-90s engines are ALL 2.0 four pots. Petrols with varying degrees of power, including the plug-in hybrid, and I think a single diesel (D5) with around 215hp.

 

It's a risky punt considering competitors are producing six cylinder engines which are only slightly less frugal but sound a lot better, and have a bit more "natural" grunt to them.

 

SnrYoof was recently looking for a new car and I happened upon a NEW shape BMW 528. This has a 3.0 straight six with a complimacated turbo/twin-charge set-up (I UNNO), but the up-shot was well over 200hp, £180 a year to tax, and a combined mpg of 40.

 

 

Granted, I think modern Bimmers are souless rep-driven blurrrrrges, but what an engine!

This being AS, new shape could mean e34, but I think the curren 3/4/528i is a 4 pot turbo with the wick turned up to 240 bhp.

[rantingYoof]

So it is. I FEEL ASHAMED AT GIVING PRAISE TO A MODERN BIMMER!

 

 

 

How doth I cleanse my soul now? I could dump shite on the appalling turd-with-a-BMW badge that is the 518d?

 

Halp.

[bigstraight6]

My dad had an 06 plate S60 with a 5 pot diesel and a proper auto and his example didnt even last 9 years before the gearbox started to die. 61k, fsh and my dad was very careful with it. He chopped it in for a newer manual model but it has 10x more of other things that I havent the heart to tell him will give greater trouble even sooner.[/quote

 

That's not uncommon, but Volvo don't recommend changing the transmission oil on these ever which is just ridiculous, I've changed it on mine twice in the 2 years I've owned my S60 and it's now on 112,000 miles and works lovely....

[The Reverend Bluejeans]

Nowt wrong with a 518d. 150 bhp (?) and they go pretty well. Lovely interior.

 

The S60 is a strange beast - I have one as well (shhhhhh....). Despite being the size of an E46/E90 3 Series or C Clarse, they feel 5 Series size to drive. 

 

Bugger all legroom out back - I mean seriously poor.

Steering lock of the SE2 - tight T junctions on country lanes are best taken when there are no other cars about.

Manual gearshift is appallingly bad. Princess/Maxi bad.

Steering is feel-less, yet the car handles very, very well.

The steering wheel rim has a similar diameter to a Horse's cock.

Instrument cluster lighting is a joke

'Sport' suspension is too firm. Go for the SE.

 

..........but...........

 

It goes well

Averages 37 mpg (deesol)

Is very, very well built. Not soft feel plastics and shit like that, but real depth of quality in the engineering. Typical old school Ovlov then.

World's best seats

Great stereo

 

Despite the flaws, it's a very likeable car. But it takes 2-3 long trips to uncover the hidden depths. If I was in the market for a new car in 2006, I would have taken it back to the dealer's after 10 minutes and ordered a 320d.

 

I did a U Pull It trip today. Up at 5am, got there at 6.30, five hours solid fragging and rapeage, fell half exhausted into the S60 and it pretty much drive itself 80 miles home again.

[gordonbennet]

Change the gearbox oil Reverend, made a big difference to the change on the lads S60 when he put some good synthetic in.

[Rusty Pelican]

Im utterly determined to keep my M10 engined  - no power steering - keep fit windows and sunroof , cloth seated , poverty spec E30 going for as long as physically possible - the very thought of a new car with 15 ECUs - electric everything , DMFs , EGR , ACC , LTA , MFI , NGS , EAIR and other assorted bollocks fills me with THE FEAR .

[Station]

I'm sure manufacturers would like to make cars that aren't lumbered with all these gubbins, they're made to do it.

If you've seen that video of the BMW X5 hitting a barrier at 50mph and then falling 25 foot off an overhead motorway onto its roof and driver walks away, I'm 100% glad cars are safer for the sake of it.

[rantingYoof]

Bugger all legroom out back - I mean seriously poor. I bought mine after having a Lexus LS400, so the contrast is doubly apparant. I doubt I could have anyone over 5ft sitting behind me (I'm 6ft 2).

Steering lock of the SE2 - tight T junctions on country lanes are best taken when there are no other cars about. It's gob-smackingly bad. It's actually worse than the LS400, and SnrYoof's Vauxhall Signum.

Manual gearshift is appallingly bad. Princess/Maxi bad. I noticed it's a bit...well...clunky? Not sure how to describe it. I'm a noob in terms of being able to distinguish between a good and a bad gear-box. The 9-3 Aero had a slick, short-throw change, so I suppose it's a lot "worse" than that, but I'm not sure why it's considered worse.

Steering is feel-less, yet the car handles very, very well. Again, total noob here in terms of being an actual throw-it-around-a-B-road-driver, but it goes where you point it nicely.

The steering wheel rim has a similar diameter to a Horse's cock. I've not studied the latter to compare it to the former, but what I will say is that the Lexus was manoeuvred using the kind of device you find in a P&O ferry, so I have noticed a change!

Instrument cluster lighting is a joke. I was going to make yet another Lexus comparison here but I fear that I already sound like a pathetic mourning idiot who ran away from several issues he could have probably easily fixed on the lovely old barge...

'Sport' suspension is too firm. Go for the SE. I'm just waiting for the car to begin eating suspension bits like the reviewers say they do. MOT advisory was "corroded off-side spring"...

 

Also, I have an irrational hatred for modern Bimmers. I've driven none of them, not even sat in any, but I will hate them anyway, even if people who know what they're talking about insist that they're good, and many people buy them and echo this.

 

A 114d overtakes me on the way to work nearly every day. The person driving looks PLEASED WITH LIFE.

[The Reverend Bluejeans]

Change the gearbox oil Reverend, made a big difference to the change on the lads S60 when he put some good synthetic in.

 

 

The syncros are fine - it's just the ill defined gate. You have to think about changing gear - I'm used to BMW's where the gear lever seems to know it's own way.

[The Reverend Bluejeans]

Also, I have an irrational hatred for modern Bimmers. I've driven none of them, not even sat in any, but I will hate them anyway, even if people who know what they're talking about insist that they're good, and many people buy them and echo this.

 

A 114d overtakes me on the way to work nearly every day. The person driving looks PLEASED WITH LIFE.

 

I'm almost the same. I see a modern F30 3 Series and think 'Barratt house, middle management meh' indifference.

 

But I do like the current 5. It's a very pretty car. It's the one think they've made since 2003 that really works as a design.

[Split_Pin]

 

My dad had an 06 plate S60 with a 5 pot diesel and a proper auto and his example didnt even last 9 years before the gearbox started to die. 61k, fsh and my dad was very careful with it. He chopped it in for a newer manual model but it has 10x more of other things that I havent the heart to tell him will give greater trouble even sooner.[/quote

 

That's not uncommon, but Volvo don't recommend changing the transmission oil on these ever which is just ridiculous, I've changed it on mine twice in the 2 years I've owned my S60 and it's now on 112,000 miles and works lovely....

 

They tried that but it was sadly a bit late, ahould have been done about 4 or 5 years earlier I reckon.

[Asimo]

I'm sure manufacturers would like to make cars that aren't lumbered with all these gubbins, they're made to do it.

If you've seen that video of the BMW X5 hitting a barrier at 50mph and then falling 25 foot off an overhead motorway onto its roof and driver walks away, I'm 100% glad cars are safer for the sake of it.

Passive safety like that IS a good thing but it doesn't require that a car does without proper engines connected to proper transmissions (driving 70 series tyres on steel wheels on long travel suspension)