Ronald Mc_Bo11ox's LAGUNA ODYSSEY OMG FTP SOS ETC LOL

[RoadworkUK]

You mean back to the dreamlike state before you owned a Laguna?

[The Reverend Bluejeans]

U Pull It have a few of these turds, CHEAP BITZ YO.

[scaryoldcortina]

Today I done an aid parcel. Will leave at a MyHermes drop point tomorrow....

[Mr_Bo11ox]

SHITHEAP SOS

[Burnside]

Been accumulating parts for this, I am hoping to be back where i started for under £40, stay tuned!!!

 

I wish my brothers DCI only needed another £40 on it after he brought it ! I don't wanna jinx our by saying anything positive about its engine though, and the gearbox and most of the 'working' electrical items etc...

 

Hopefully it start repaying your patience Bol I am amazed how many I see round the Midlands on my travels being driven but it would be great to know how much of each car actually works.

[barefoot]

Chap across the road had one, px'd it for a Seat Exeo when the front spring snapped and shafted his tyre as he was overtaking me! It'd only done 30k.

[Mr_Bo11ox]

Had the Laguna in the garage last night:

 

 

I spent £9 on a part worn and £12 on a new coil spring:

 

 

Spent a couple of hours boshing these on which levelled up the old crate and to my amusement seems to have fixed the tyre pressure warnings on the dashboard too!!!

 

I popped my head underneath to look at the stiff gear linkage but the gearchange mechanism is hidden behind a huge heatshield that goes right down the transmission tunnel from front to back. to get that off you'd have to remove the exhaust, basically you'd have to dismantle half the flippin car to get to it. So I had a look under the bonnet and lubed up the mechanism at the gearbox end of the cables. That improved the gearchage enormously so thats a relief.

 

Scary has sent me the dephaser pulley from his dead engine:

 

 

I wanted to fit it last night but ran out of time. I did make a noggin for locking the cams though as that I will need that when i do change the pulley (this one is scary's but mine is very similar!!!!)

 

 

So next time I'm up the garage I should be able to change the pulley and the engine oil and hopefully the Laguna will be ready to roll again!!!

 

Spend so far:

Car: £120

Collection: £10

Key card overhaul: £30

part worn tyre: £9

spring: £12

s/h dephaser and solenoid: £10 (voluntary payment!!!)

oil change: £15

 

Total so far: £204

[SiC]

Going to lock the dephaser up (like in that Renault Forum post), so it can never break again? Or going to leave it as how Renault intended?

[cort16]

Stop trying to hold it back. Just let it phase man let it phase (I don't know what a dephaser does)

[Isaac Hunt]

Interesting set of spare rims for the Loghoona there MrBol in that Photo

[dugong]

Interesting set of spare rims for the Loghoona there MrBol in that Photo

It's like some kind of hellaflush RR scene project y0

[Mr_Bo11ox]

LAGUNA NEWZ

 

Went up the garage last night with the specific aim of fitting SOC's old dephaser pulley to my Laguna and hopefully quietening fthe engine down a bit.

 

 

Have to take the massive placca undertray off from beneath the engine - I see that most of the bolts holding it on had snapped so someone had self-tappered it back on. Nice. Anyway I got it off:

 

 

It seems really craply engineered under ths skin this thing. The bodyshell has two simple, straight chassis rails poking forward of the struts. A complex array of shitty bent steel pipes and aluminium extrusions (that look like oldskool window frame to me) are  hung off the rails, and then everything else is bolted and clipped to those. The whole structure looks like a right lash-up to my eyes although I remember Renner making a big fuss about their 5* Euro NCAP ratings back in the day so I guess it must be a bit less random than it looks.

 

Up top i removed the engine mount and timing belt covers

 

 

This is the main belt cover. Its got 5 x M10 bolts done up mega tight despite there being precisely zero load on it. Ridiculous man, makes a K-series look like something from 2050.

 

 

After a few hours farting about I managed to get to the key bits. I didn't have a tool for locking the pulleys  - I only had the whatsit for locking the other end of the cams and had a 7mm Allen key locking the crank, but I managed to get it all undone without mashing anything thankully. I think i will make a pulley locking thing if I have to get embroiled in this again though. Happily the belt looked fairly young and the tensioner was nice and smooth.

 

Took the dephaser off and fitted scarys old one. Also swapped out the VVT solenoid after rinsing it with a bit of brake cleaner. Put it all back together, along with a fresh sumpful of 10w30 and a new oil filter:

 

 

It started up straight away and sounded FLIPPIN SWEET. I was well chuffed, but as it warmed up the noise came back!!!!! Not quite as bad as before, but its still there. With the bonnet closed it almost sounds bearable but with the bonnet open its clear that something's not right.

 

 

How annoying. I was sure that was going to sort the problem.

 

Now I have been reading up on these dephasers and they seem a bit prone to this sort of nonsense. Seemingly at low speed they are supposed to lock themselves up (i.e. lock the relative positions of the outer pulley and the hub) by an internal spring-loaded locking pin. When the solenoid opens, oil pressure is fed into the pulley, overcoming the locking pin and allowing the outer to move relative to the inner. When they get tired the locking pin seems to fail to lock properly meaning that the cam timing is all over the shop at idle.

 

http://delphi.com/manufacturers/auto/powertrain/gas/valvetrain/vcp/

 

Some good pictures here (Ukrainian site!!!)

 

http://www.renault-club.kiev.ua/forum/index.php?s=&showtopic=7022&view=findpost&p=51498

 

good you tube clip of the depahser innards here:

 

 

I think I will open up the old dephaser and see if I can see why the locking mechanism is playing up. I know you can weld the inner and outer together, which will shut the engine up but it seems like a bit of a bodge cos all the engine's ECU maps will be done on the basis of that working.  It would be less bodgy to lock it in the 'activated' position, but then I wonder if the idle emissions would be a problem come MOT time.

 

In other news I took it for a blezz up the lane aftr this and I have to admit its very nice to drive - super comfortable, smooth and quiet and pretty much everything is now working on it (famous last words). The gearchange is much improved and I must say I proper fancy getting it on the road and trying it out properly. Thats going to have to wait though cos I need to use the Volvo to go and fetch this Ibiza Mk1 in a couple of weeks' time.

 

[twosmoke300]

It would ping up cam sensor plausibility codes too if you welded it up wouldn't it ?

[scaryoldcortina]

^^ Yeah, the SERV light comes on when it notices (usually at idle, after a bit of a run). Doesn't flag a permanant code or put the EML on though.

[The Reverend Bluejeans]

^^ Yeah, the SERV light comes on when it notices (usually at idle, after a bit of a run). Doesn't flag a permanant code or put the EML on though.

 

Scrap Every Renault Vehicle.

 

It's giving you a hint.

[Pete-M]

I bought one of these things about eight years ago. From a Kiwi bloke who was emigrating. 25k on the clock and a service history to rival War & Peace - the bilingual Welsh version. Gave under £1500 for it and it wasn't five years old.

 

Drove it home from London and the old shiter spidey sense was going mental. Nothing actually went wrong, but the sense of impending doom meant it was shoved straight through the auction

[mouseflakes]

Sounds terrible - almost like someone randomly hammering a lump of steel in the back of a large workshop - apparently unrelated to the engine speed. Weird.

[Coprolalia]

Amazing video. I always assumed that Renault noise was another DCI imploding.

I can only imagine what it was like before.

 

 

Oddly reminiscent engine note to one of my old work motors:

 

[Mr_Bo11ox]

I do wonder if a damn good thrashing and another oil change might help reduce the noise. Might be a bit optimistic perhaps.

[beko1987]

I hope you get a nice weekend to drive it this weekend... Cos I'd do that now, whilst its working. Before it breaks again and you hate it...

[jonny69]

Almost sounds a bit like that defaZer hasn't filled up with oil and is clattering around. Any way to check the oilway that feeds it is actually passing oil through, or to pop it open in-situ to see if it's full of oil?

[cms206]

I properly love this thread. One of my old gaffers still has his 51-plate 1.8 pezzer which has literally never put a foot wrong and he completely ignores all forms of preventantive maintainance.

It replaced a left hand drive Daihatsu Applause which he bought new in Germany which was apparantly brilliant until it shat all of it's fluids at an indicated flat out on the Autobahn when he was heading back to his base in Germany.

[Mr_Bo11ox]

Romulus_McPlumz' Laguna Odyssey continues as today I paid a deposit on this:

 

 

 

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2004-RENAULT-LAGUNA-GT-16V-T-AUTO-GREEN-/172102726701

 

it's a 2.0 16v petrol turbo with an automatic box!!!!!!!

 

genuine 60k from new seemingly (unless it had a clocks change before its first MOT, not impossible admittedly), its all up and running but failed the MOT recently on some bushes and balljoints. Looks alright to me though. Paid £185, should be picking it up next weekend from Basingstoke

 

Think I am gonna put red Laguna on the road for a while, maybe stick a fresh ticket on it then if its behaving itself I might sort the men from the boys with a LAGUNAROFL, after which blue can take over for a bit.

[bub2006]

Well played. Gone and bought another with added electronics! You certainly have balls and respect where due. Look pretty nice in estate form.

[billyboy406v6]

NOOOOOoooooooooooo !

[greengartside]

Well bought, sir_BALLZ. Agreed, they look pretty sleek in estate form.

 

Oh, that mileage is....

 

[RustyNuts]

1300kg seems awfy light for such a big car,

Not really the 2.5l safrane is only just over that with electric seats and automatic box

[Tickman]

it's a 2.0 16v petrol turbo with an automatic box!!!!!!!

First Auto that I would have said was a manual by looking at the interior picture, cost cutting by not having a different centre consul?

Looks tidy hope it behaves!

[SiC]

Nice! Is the GT badge real or fake?

 

Iirc the GT trim was on the facelift and gave it 205bhp instead of 170odd

[Jim Bell]

Misery loves company!