E.Bay assistance please

[hotford00]

Hello fella's as I have only bought off "t bay" before I tried to put on advert the other night to sell something. I have not or don't want a paypal account, however whilst trying to compose the posting I was asked to put an e.mail address for payment to my non existant paypal account, how do I get around this ? any help greatly appreciated....Ta

[155V6]

Don't know how you'll get around it,as it's now compulsory for sellers to take Paypal.I guess you could put the item as collection only,that way the buyer would have to come & pick it up & give you the cash.You'd probably still have to have the Paypal account,even if you never used it

[Timewaster]

I tried to get around this by getting a pay as you go debit card - but that failed as they will not accept anything other than a bank account.What a pain in the arse! To fully con-proof yourself you would have to open another account just for pay pal.Thats why I havent bothered!Ebay could teach Tesco a thing or two about power crazed megalomania!

[AXrescuer]

Hello fella's as I have only bought off "t bay" before I tried to put on advert the other night to sell something. I have not or don't want a paypal account, however whilst trying to compose the posting I was asked to put an e.mail address for payment to my non existant paypal account, how do I get around this ? any help greatly appreciated....Ta

You can't get around it. You have to accept Paypal and play by eBay's rules or go list somewhere else. If you do manage to register and then mention in your listing that you don't take Paypal, it will be ended early and you will have your account suspended,

[155V6]

Looking on the bright side,they now have their own debit card,you can just have your funds transferred onto that.That way,you wouldn't have to give them any bank details.

[pogweasel]

On a side note.... has anyone worked out how to upload 'supporting documents' to a paypal / ebay dispute?Some septic is trying to do me out of £6.58, and I'm not having that. But I need to upload the scan/pic of the proof of posting from the post office.

[Father Ted]

On a side note.... has anyone worked out how to upload 'supporting documents' to a paypal / ebay dispute?Some septic is trying to do me out of £6.58, and I'm not having that. But I need to upload the scan/pic of the proof of posting from the post office.

Good luck Pog - I ent throouh this whole thing with a Mathmos space projector, sold for £46, asked seller if they wanted recorded, they said no, sent with proof of postinmg, they set up dispute saying not arrived, I uploaded scan of proof of posting & letter from GPO saying they were sure the (rather large) box had been delivered and still paypal bum raped me the money on the grounds there was no proof of delivery - apparently paypal seller protection only works if its sent recorded or special delivery.Lots of emails went back and forth bt stil they shafted me big style.

[pogweasel]

arsecrisps

[andrew e]

I allways list as recorded, no other options - after all your not paying!

[Mr Lobster]

Mrs L has an ebay shop, anything over about £25.00 now always goes recorded. If an item goes missing, unless you have a tracking number PayPal decide in the buyers favour.You can claim compensation from the Post Office for non delivered items though - they have a department specifically for dealing with ebay claims.In short, to sell on ebay you must have a PayPal account. Theres no getting around this.Still, eBay is very good for selling things though. Yes you get idiots but you get them everywhere but for the cost of it it does get whatever you are selling in front of a massive audience.

[TheScrapman]

I always always get proof of delivery.On saying that, I have had a problem using their system where you print the labels off and pay paypal for the postage, then just drop the parcels off at your nearest post office.Brilliant idea, except the Paypal proof of postage reference number is not the same as Royal Mails. When the package didn't turn up, I sent the buyer the reference number, only to learn that the package cannot be traced with that. After many phone calls and emails, it was confirmed that you cannot cross-reference the Paypal number with the Royal mail number at either companies. Clever huh?So, I'd paid for 'next day sign for' delivery. It didn't turn up and it couldn't be traced. As it happened, it did turn up about a week later and the buyer was very understanding, but I wonder how many other people this has happened to?Moral, take the bloody package down the post office, and put actual stamps on it!

[andrew e]

Moral, take the bloody package down the post office, and put actual stamps on it!

Go to a nice small one if you can, and you might get served by a nice lady like Mrs E who actually has pride in her job and wants you to post something

[pompei]

A friend of mine is a full time ebay trader, and experience has taught him to send absolutely everthing recorded with tracking of the item. It's all skewed against sellers so you just have to do as much as you can to protect yourself.

[pogweasel]

Since they changed the feedback system, I think there has been a marked shift in buyer behaviour... Used to be plenty of 'unpaid items', which was no great disaster. Now it seems that a much higher proportion are paid for then magically go 'missing' in the post, presumably because buyers know they can act dishonorably and get away with it, quite disgusting really. Unfortunately if I was to send everything by traceable means it would significantly increase the postage costs to the point where the 95% of buyers who aren't trying to pull a fast one stay away too. No-win situation

[Guest]

I used to sell things on eBay occasionally back when you could still leave negs as a seller along the lines of "stupid bint". I would always send things by recorded, it's only an extra 60p or something on top of the normal postage price. Just levy that on the P+P charges. What helps is if you have a helpful post office who will give you a handful of recorded delivery stickers to take home, then you can do it all before you turn up.

[Guest greenvanman]

Since they changed the feedback system, I think there has been a marked shift in buyer behaviour... Used to be plenty of 'unpaid items', which was no great disaster. Now it seems that a much higher proportion are paid for then magically go 'missing' in the post, presumably because buyers know they can act dishonorably and get away with it, quite disgusting really.

And then there's the fees (listing, final value and now good ole Paypal), dispute resolution that only works if you're a buyer and the unacceptably high ratio of nobheads to normal people. Far too much hassle for me, I'm afraid. I've gone back to using more traditional methods of tat shifting, granted it's not going to work for everyone/everything but I finally sold my old 125 through a card in the free ads in Sainsbury's. I've managed to sell quite a bit of scooter tat through on-line free ads sites too. That said, eBid wasn't much cop, the scooter was on there for over a week and almost no-one looked at it.

[pogweasel]

I used to sell things on eBay occasionally back when you could still leave negs as a seller along the lines of "stupid bint".

yes, much more fun when you could either settle for an uneasy stalemate or say 'to hell' with the consequences and hammer someone for being a twit.

[Guest]

What I would do is leave the negative late on, hoping that they wouldn't notice. Seemed to work as I can't remember ever getting one back.

[Guest]

I think there's a bit of software you can get that tells you when you've got a day left to leave feedback, wish I'd done that on a headlining I bought which turned out to be torn and not "exc cond" as described, the guy recognises my user ID from some stuff I'd sold him previously and dissed me on a forum after I asked for some money back... what a dick. Of course you can now do that anyway seeing as the seller cant neg ya back, but if everybody felt the same way then the whole ebay system would collapse into lawlessness.

[Mr_Bo11ox]

Heres some heart-warming news for eBay H8rz, (i count myself as one of these)

 

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/01/22 ... _earnings/

[AXrescuer]

Good. That's what they get for treating their good sellers like pondlife! I hope the CEO now get's his marching orders. He clearly couldn't organise a shag in a brothel.

[Pillock]

I flogged summat on ebay. Buyer declined insurance, and as it was a 7Kg box it made it cheaper for me. Took him 3 weeks to paypal the money though, after I'd rang him up and asked what the delay was. Came though, posted it three days later but it coincided with christmas. He went online on boxing day and filed a dispute! Fired off a load of terse emails to him, suddenly all went quiet (I assume the day it arrived) and paypal just told me as no contact had been made by the disputee, they were dropping it.There's bugger all protection for sellers these days. It's like running a shop, but handcuffing yourself to the counter so you just have to hope people pay instead of walking off with all your stuff.

[AXrescuer]

I flogged summat on ebay. Buyer declined insurance, and as it was a 7Kg box it made it cheaper for me. Took him 3 weeks to paypal the money though, after I'd rang him up and asked what the delay was. Came though, posted it three days later but it coincided with christmas. He went online on boxing day and filed a dispute! Fired off a load of terse emails to him, suddenly all went quiet (I assume the day it arrived) and paypal just told me as no contact had been made by the disputee, they were dropping it.There's bugger all protection for sellers these days. It's like running a shop, but handcuffing yourself to the counter so you just have to hope people pay instead of walking off with all your stuff.

There is protection for sellers but you must always send via trackable means to prove delivery and receipt. I do that and touch wood, in 7 years have had an easy run so far. I always factor the extra cost of recorded mail into the price of my items.

[pogweasel]

I flogged summat on ebay. Buyer declined insurance, and as it was a 7Kg box it made it cheaper for me. Took him 3 weeks to paypal the money though, after I'd rang him up and asked what the delay was. Came though, posted it three days later but it coincided with christmas. He went online on boxing day and filed a dispute! Fired off a load of terse emails to him, suddenly all went quiet (I assume the day it arrived) and paypal just told me as no contact had been made by the disputee, they were dropping it.There's bugger all protection for sellers these days. It's like running a shop, but handcuffing yourself to the counter so you just have to hope people pay instead of walking off with all your stuff.

There is protection for sellers but you must always send via trackable means to prove delivery and receipt. I do that and touch wood, in 7 years have had an easy run so far. I always factor the extra cost of recorded mail into the price of my items.

That's the rub though.I tried doing fully tracked/insured posting, and got sweet FA sales. I retail my mags at £2.99 plus £1.49 p&p, which seems to be 'fair' for most buyers. Each mag cost £1.08 in postage, then factor in 10p per proper card backed envelope, then the rest of the p&p cover my (or Mrs_Pog's) time going to post and paypal / ebay fees. Other issue I have now is with arseholes not wanting to sell to me as they see I split collections and sell on, which apparantly is a bad thing... but then I always offer to arrange prompt collection by DHL and pay the asking, plus there is the initial time I put in scanning & authoring the listings. Last month we took £500 on the mags which was quite good going, but I did spend at least 2 days sorting it all out, normally I don't get out of bed for that kinda dough but needs must as the devil drives.

[Father Ted]

Other issue I have now is with arseholes not wanting to sell to me as they see I split collections and sell on, which apparantly is a bad thing...

Weird, never understood this mentality myself "im mot selling to you because you will split the collection / feed it to the dog / take it round the oval painted yellow" and so on.Surely if you are selling you want the money? Who gives a shit what the next person does with it so long as yu get the foldig stuff?!

[andrew e]

Ah it was pog bidding against me for those sets of Car in Surrey last week you swine

[r.welfare]

Haven't sold any mags for ages but should really try and offload some more given I've still got a few hundred of them. Tend to start them at 99p and go with £2 1st Class Recorded delivery, never had a problem with non-receipt that way.

[Father Ted]

One of the kids managed to rip this:160378881902So I canceled all the bids (with 2 days to go) and ended the auction. Today I get this email...

I am down as having won this item, and just paid for it, but thendiscovered that it was withdrawn. Is this true? Do I get my money back ordo I get the raincover?

So I checks the evil Paypal account and sure enough NO money paid in there, the balance is fook all.Emailed him back and told him all of this, to check the auction page and look at the winning bidder list, to check his paypal account and then to contact ebay if he has paid for something he hasnt received.Also very generously offered him the ripped rain cover for free if he will pay the postage. Oddly it wasnt the highest bidder. So is it ebay playing silly buggers or is it someone who cant grasp the concept of auctions.

[Cavcraft]

Someone really should take eBay to court for their insistance in people using Paypal. That has to be against some sort of fair trade rule or something surely?Anyhow maybe you could stick your e-mail address or phone number on the listing and invite people to mail you or something?They (ebay) used to stop people posting phone numbers or e-mail addresses but the world and his wife seem to do it these days. Personally I wouldn't put my number on as it's bound to attract dickheads who send text messages at 1.03am saying 'Rite M8 ow much 4 cash' etc.The other way round it is to asnwer any questions and include your e-mail address in the reply. The smart ones will then contact you via e-mail and you can sort a deal out between yourselves.

[retrogeezer]

I allways list as recorded, no other options - after all your not paying!

Sure, but then arsehole buyers mark you down on your DSR stars. I have never overcharged on postage but somehow only have 4.5 out of 5 for P&P charges.Also doesn't help that even if you list as collection only, the buyer can still leave dsr's for P&P & dispatch time!!! How many leave a 0 because it wasn't posted and they think it is irrelevant?