New Car Tax Rulez - Wotz happenin?

[saucedoctor]

 

 

Is the first one I have EVER managed to do without tearing as I am an impatient bastard. Sad that it is also the last one I will ever do.

 

 

 

LOL! I put the new one on the Jaaaag yesterday and said to Jasmine "That's the first time I haven't ripped one of those fuckers, and it's the last one I'm ever gonna do"

[Lord Sterling]

LOL! I put the new one on the Jaaaag yesterday and said to Jasmine "That's the first time I haven't ripped one of those fuckers, and it's the last one I'm ever gonna do"

Yeah, I also told my bird that I'd bought a tax disc today. I don't think she really understood it and nor did she give a toss. I didn't rip my tax disc either.

[retrogeezer]

why not just use scissors like I do?

[HillmanImp]

why not just use scissors like I do?

 

Yeah, suggest this now. Why did you not say this to me years ago?

 

What are you doing for the rest of the evening? Writing to Gary Glitter to tell him not to get his computer repaired at PC world or telling John Alford not to sell cocaine to some guy dressed as a rich Arab?

[cort16]

It also sticks the knife into the little back yard traders as I bet you'll not be able to tax it unless you're the registered keeper. Trade plates arent easy to get so no test drives unless it's done illegally or the trader registers all the cars in their name .

I heard someone in one of the trade magazines saying it's good as it puts an end to dodgy back yard traders . Aye it's really good you're going to take money out people hands, stop people building up businesses etc . Wankers

[Junkman]

It also sticks the knife into the little back yard traders as I bet you'll not be able to tax it unless you're the registered keeper. Trade plates arent easy to get so no test drives unless it's done illegally or the trader registers all the cars in their name .

I heard someone in one of the trade magazines saying it's good as it puts an end to dodgy back yard traders . Aye it's really good you're going to take money out people hands, stop people building up businesses etc . Wankers

 

Congratulations.

 

You are one of the few who figured out what it really is about.

Exactly like the Scrappage Scheme, it's pure, unadulterated social engineering.

[Jim Bell]

Anyone have any idea how we stand on the intermediate period between the time that the V5 is recieved by the DVLA and it being delivered to the new owner to enable taxation?

 

i.e, if its lost on the way to the new owner, will it generate an automagic OMG no sorn and no tax fine?

[wuvvum]

So what happens with cars that have a current valid tax disc that runs out after 1/10?  Will the disc have to be sent back for a refund, or will it be allowed to stay on the car under some kind of "grandfather rights" scheme?

[HillmanImp]

You tax it on the day you buy it over the phone Baz_Shitveg.

 

 

EDIT. Actually thinking about this, will this hopefully quicken the process as if you tax it at your name and address will the V5 be sent out automatically? Or is this wishful thinking as it makes total sense? They who are responsible for taxing the car, tax the car receive V5?

[HillmanImp]

So what happens with cars that have a current valid tax disc that runs out after 1/10?  Will the disc have to be sent back for a refund, or will it be allowed to stay on the car under some kind of "grandfather rights" scheme?

 

Tax disc stays on the car but should be removed. The missus sent me an email about this today. 

[Craig the Princess]

From reading page it seems you don't need to display the tax from 1st October (not 100% clear however)

 

So I guess you just apply for the tax without returning the disc as the disc is pointless after 1st October.

 

But it isn't at all clear how the transition is to work.

 

 

 

 

EDIT: Re-read it and it says to destroy the disc???

Edited September 2, 2014 by Craig the Princess

[The Moog]

. Trade plates arent easy to get so no test drives unless the trader registers all the cars in their name, harder still with no V5.

 

 

I heard someone in one of the trade magazines saying it's good as it puts an end to Cavcraft .

 

Aye it's really good you're going to take money out people hands and stop the international trade in Corsas

EFA

[e287yba]

Here is the basic idea:

 

Buyer goes to buy a new (to them) secondhand car, buyer then taxes the car ASAP (online or over the phone or at the PO if it is open) and drives off with car retaxed (in theory at least - if it's already taxed then ANPR won't pick it up as untaxed on the way home ).

 

Seller then sends V5C back with new keeper details - and gets refund on unused tax from when they owned it, when DVLA receive the old V5C. (This is intended to encourage people to update keeper details when they sell .)

 

'Tax' will be available in 12 month and 6 month 'sizes', the 12 month discs can (as of 1st November, as above) also be paid for by direct debit with a 5% surcharge (6 months will cost 10% more than the pro-rata rate, as they do now). As an example, if a car costs £100 to 'tax' for 12 months then 6 months' 'tax' would be £55 (total £110 p.a.) and paying by monthly direct debit the car would cost £105 p.a. to 'tax'.

 

As others have posted, 'tax' should be available on a daily basis (not monthly) - but as it's a fund-raising exercise for a fundamentally broke UKplc2014 this won't ever happen .

 

Another point of order, the vehicle's insurance won't be checked when 'retaxing' (it hasn't been checked since 16 December last year) due to the regular Continuous Insurance Enforcement database checks of MID vs 'taxed' vehicle records (now we are "policing the roads by database" ).

[trigger]

It's just a big money making scam by the government as normal. You buy a car say on the 13th, you have to tax it losing 13 days rent now meaning the DVLA are saving that money, the same as when you sell the car too, so that's millions of pounds saved.

 

Then there's the direct debit, it's not free, it's something like 4% extra so again they are making more money on that too, and then there's the savings from not having to print out paper tax discs and posting them out.

 

The DVLA are making a huge amount of money from this and as motorists we won't see a bean of this savings towards our bills.

[Jim Bell]

So you don't need to be the registered keeper to tax a car?

Because the day you buy a car, in the Dooblas eyes, you're not.

So anyone can tax anything, providing it's insured under SOMEONE and has an mot?

Sounds ideal to me.

[HillmanImp]

You can tax it without insurance now. Obviously you are not meant to but you can.

[Jim Bell]

So anyone can tax anything.

Or am I missing something important?

[Pillock]

I'd imagine you'll need the V5 reference number as you currently do to tax it online - this is on the green slip is it not?

 

Can't think it's a great way to cause chaos, going round taxing peoples cars without telling them. Hardly anarchy, that.

[Jim Bell]

No, it's much better.

Certainly for people that change cars a lot.

Sound much better than the current system to me.

[Mr_Bo11ox]

Shitpipe is right, anyone can tax a car now. (Incidentally just sing 'anyone can tax a car' to the eastenders theme tune, see how long it takes to clear it out your head). If you tax online or by phone though I wonder how the tax is associated to the new keeper and not the old one. I dont see how it can be to be honest.

 

If you tax using the 'old' V5 document number that presumably indicates to the DVLA that the existing keeper is taxing it, not you. If you wait for the new V5 that means rumbling around for up to 6 weeks with no tax. I dont know. In summary I think its going to be impossible to police unless someone is blatantl;y taking the piss, i.e. still havent taxed it 2 months after a change of keeper was logged at DVLA.

[Mr_Bo11ox]

I wonder what happens if you just ignore the DVLA and keep the tax that was on a car, into the new keepers ownership. If theres no disc and 12 months tax has been paid, and you buy the car 2 months in and just do nowt about the tax, i wonder what happens? Do you think there is a point at which the existing tax is 'switched off' on the DVLA system? If you have agreed with the seller to do this, and paid him accordingly, the DVLA aren't getting ripped off so I wonder what exactly the crime is that you are committing?

[forddeliveryboy]

They'll switch it off when notified of a change of ownership, presumably - even though they've got most of a month's money in the coffers. As BS says, it could favour anyone who's changing cars regularly, say once a month. Is there going to be a two week 'reasonable' timespace in which you can pay the govt twice over? Or given the speed of electronic communication/remuneration are they going to expect payment within a day and prosecute retrospectively if they can show you had the vehicle on a public road but hadn't sent them the paypals?

[philsford]

But when the previous keeper sends the logbook off to inform DVLA of a change of keeper they will automatically refund them for however many months are left reguardless of what you have arranged with the seller.

[Richard]

I think there will be a lot of cars getting confiscated and crushed because either the owner or DVLA have cocked things up.

[Junkman]

What I find truly amazing is, how what seemingly has the biggest impact on Britain since WWII, is shrouded in mystery.

There is no proper information, no matter how hard you try to investigate.

Nothing. Nada. Zero. Zilch. Rien. Nichts.

 

If someone in Coronation Street farts, absolutely nothing else is in the news for six weeks, no Afghanistan, no Gaza Strip,

no Syria, no Ukraine, no Putin, no NHS corporate takeover, no TTIP, no Rochdale kiddy fondlers, no MH-17, nothing.

 

Verdict:

 

I don't give a toss about what happens on 1st October. Not a damn thing. I can't be arsed to do as much as a two finger salute.

Unless someone farts in Coronation Street. Now that's a different story.

[Minimad5]

Have to agree with what has already been said, in regards to policing the whole thing.
How often are people stopped for apparently no insurance ?
It has happened to me a number of times, and it's always been "oops sorry, looks like a system glitch" , this will cause as Richard says, a large number of cars to be impounded / crushed.

WAY TO GO DVLA

[Pillock]

Remember the tax is associated with the car, not the owner. The DVLA just care the car is taxed and don't give a frig who does it - presumably if it remains untaxed for some time they'll fire off a letter to the current owner.

 

When you sell a car, the change of owner will trigger a halt on the tax. If it's been paid up front, you get pro rata refund for whole months. If its DD, they just stop collecting. So in this situation

 

I wonder what happens if you just ignore the DVLA and keep the tax that was on a car, into the new keepers ownership. If theres no disc and 12 months tax has been paid, and you buy the car 2 months in and just do nowt about the tax, i wonder what happens?

The original owner will (eventually) receive 10 months tax back (probably 9 unless it was timed perfectly), so new owner will be driving without tax. Eventually.

 

I think the big question is, how long does it take? Naturally the DVLA want you to retax within minutes of buying, but nobody is going to do that on the 28th of the month. So it comes down to "how long can you get away with".... Because change of owner is still a piece of paper posted, that takes 5 days or more just to land on a desk.

 

Maybe the DVLA being so quiet is because they have no idea themselves.

 

How about if I sell a car on the 2nd, but to be a bastard I date the V5 as the 30th. Will I get more cash back on the tax or will they take it from received date? Because everyone knows how reliable* the post around Swansea is.

[forddeliveryboy]

I think many cars will be sold in the second half of the month, from now on. And whichever advisor/consultant suggested that every car sale will generate an extra month's tax revenue (which is possibly even less legal than taxation of already taxed goods, as all fuel is) for the govt may be surprised at the figures.

[Junkman]

I think many cars will be sold in the second half of the month, from now on.

 

Nah. Everyone is broke in the second half of the month.

[forddeliveryboy]

I'm broke in the first half, too.