TFL fine advice *updated 08.11.13*

[RichardMoss]

This is why I always scan the completed V5 after the buyer has filled it in and email/fax a copy to the DVLA as soon as he drives off. The current system is open to abuse as the buyer is responsible for sending the V5 off to Swansea - so I take the initiative, give him a photocoy and send the V5 off for him

[mercedade]

The current system is open to abuse as the buyer is responsible for sending the V5 off to Swansea

 

Nah - it's still the seller's responsibility to do the posting. The only bit the new owner is entitled to is the tiny green 'new keeper' slip, something which terrified the life out of the Polish couple I sold a Toyota to.

 

"You mean you keep the...how you say...'log book', and we only get this little piece of paper?"

 

"Bingo"

[dollywobbler]

Nah - it's still the seller's responsibility to do the posting. The only bit the new owner is entitled to is the tiny green 'new keeper' slip, something which terrified the life out of the Polish couple I sold a Toyota to.

 

"You mean you keep the...how you say...'log book', and we only get this little piece of paper?"

 

"Bingo"

 

Correct. The SELLER sends it off. The buyer only gets the green strip. Any problems I've had with V5s is because I trusted the buyer to send it off. I've learnt my lesson.

[autofive]

difficult to export without the v5c

[Mr_Bo11ox]

If the buyer wants to export it, you can give him the V5 and simply get him to sign and date a reciept with buyers and sellers details on and send that (or a copy of it) to DVLA instead.

[Rocket88]

A bit of the V5 [i think it's the yellow segment,] is for vehicles for export.

[Rocket88]

I got sent a speeding fine [in Poole] by some bunch of tossers in Wales, along with a request for my licence to endorse it. I only have a Jersey licence, which the UK have no juristiction over] and we don't have an endorsement procedure over here. I sent the cheque for the fine in, along with a letter explaining the licence scenario. They wrote back, returning my cheque, and insisted that I had a UK licence. I tried to ring them.........on 14 seperate occasions, they declined to pick the phone up, and there's no way of emailing them.In the end I sent them a letter stating that they could fuck off, and they weren't getting the cheque either. Heard nothing since

[Bobthebeard]

My dealings with 'authority' have taught me that sending letters, ringing up, posting copies of documents etc. is invariably totally pointless. Achieves nothing and just causes you more stress/anger.

The system just rolls on regardless. The problem will either go away eventually, or whoever is accusing you of whatever will take you to court and lose. ( If you are not at fault )

In my case, the problems went away after much ignoring of the 'standard threatening letters'. Apart from one, they took me to court and lost.

 

It's the 'System'

[Mr Livered]

Yeah, the Kafkaesque nightmare of letters, policies, inflexible jobsworths and computer-says-no is pretty depressing and very difficult to beat.

 

However, the good bit is that at the top of the tree is the legal system where you have a human being, in the form of a magistrate or judge, who will probably be a pompous arse but is likely to have some common sense, and who has the power to send the bureaucrats packing with a few words.

[Jim Bell]

I'd like nothing moar than to Fight Da Power.

 

Being a full time shift worker, a nice day out in that London to stand up and shout OBJECTION!!!! would make a welcome change.

 

Don't think I could afford the time OR the money to challenge it even if/when I won.

 

Cunts, etc.

[Bobthebeard]

I'd like nothing moar than to Fight Da Power.

Being a full time shift worker, a nice day out in that London to stand up and shout OBJECTION!!!! would make a welcome change.

Don't think I could afford the time OR the money to challenge it even if/when I won.

Cunts, etc.

I don't think for a second that you would lose....

Any time/money lost would be returned to you when you won surely? What's the other option? Pay the fine? Don't think so...

It wasn't your car at the time of the offence. You iz not guilty!

You sold a car to a mong. Not a crime. The mong committed said offence. TFL need to pursue the mong.

[purplebargeken]

Tell them to get stuffed, you are waiting for the proof from the DVLA and will forward that upon it's arrival. You did not commit the offence but will provide the details of the arse who did.

 

Stable door/bolted....... I always make the new owner sign a detailed receipt which includes date and time (didn't I Billy). Saves soooooo much arse ache for all concerned.

[nigel bickle]

I cant really comment on this TFL issue -but can talk with reasonable authority about DVLA, and their Courtroom antics.

 

Should you receive a summons for an Offence you did not commit, you may elect to fight it -by attending Court. Do NOT return the Pleadings paperwork to the Court/DVLA, as they will just dig out spurious legislation in preparation for your Appearance.

 

Turn up to the Hearing without further Warning, and tell the Usher you will be pleading Not Guilty. The DVLA individual (he's not a Solicitor -just a bored Office bod) will then try to talk to you -to find out why (95% don't turn up -and their  Cases go through on the nod). If you do talk to him, and raise even a glimmer of doubt -he'll drop the case, expecting you to be grateful. And you may be. But you'll be out of pocket -with no chance of garnering costs etc. You'll walk out without smear, but financially poorer. You'll have paid -  to prove your innocence.

 

On each occasion I refuse to speak -preferring the option to go before said  Beak(s).    Whilst this will put him 'on alert' he wont be prepared for your marvellous Defence, and may try for an Adjournment. Object- forcibly. The Bench will force the Case, they having brought it against you, & having then spuriously raised 'reasonable doubt', the Madg(s) will have little option but to find you Not Guilty.  

 

At this point said 'Oink' hopes you will leave, & will try to hurry to the next case,  so I stay in the box -and innocently enquire about 'Expenses'.  Sometimes I produce a copy of the letter sent to said Bods Office (with a Cert of Posting ) detailing what I will be claiming,  (if found Innocent, Guv).

 

Said Oik will pale now, since the Mag is duty bound to award me reasonable travelling costs & fees,  together with time off (I'm self emp etc).  This case will therefore be found Innocent with full costs awarded (payable within 28 days).  Oik is now in hot water, because he has to raise a cheque to pay you  - something DVLA truly hate.  

 

Anticipate receipt around Day 21- since it needs to be ''cleared funds'' by 28th day. And they'd hate to be in the wrong -wouldn't they.....

[purplebargeken]

Oh that sounds like pure, evil and joyous fun ^^

[londonm]

I have a letter from TFL admitting full responsibility in issuing me a fine, absolutely grovelling in fact. Keep meaning to frame it. Some twat operating a remote camera (probably in Delhi) zoomed in on my car and fined me for parking in a loading bay that was in fact a proper parking space. Like most public sector workers, they were fucking useless in the extreme.

[Jim Bell]

I think Its time to bring this thread up to date.

 

I think the content may be of use to others for reference purposes.

 

 

Original PFN:

 

[Jim Bell]

I then drafted a non professional letter of response:

 

 

[Jim Bell]

A few weeks later came a reply:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hmmmm. They say that DVLA CONFIRM that I was registered keeper of the vehicle at the time of the penalty..........

[Jim Bell]

Which seems to contradict what the DVLA say....

 

 

 

 

 

 

Odd that.

[Jim Bell]

Another non-proffesional letter off to TFL.....

 

With supporting documentation that was legitimate*:

 

 

[Jim Bell]

More time passes, untill:

 

 

 

 

 

It was all an administrative error.

 

Well thats reassuring.

 

 

Anyway, I won.

 

 

By following the advice of Mr Bickle and the rest of the most learned AS contributors.

 

 

Hooray for us.

[Danblez]

Fantastic well done! It just goes to show that the learned people at Pepipoo dont always get it right and in fact common sense can previal *falls off chair*.

[DVee8]

[HillmanImp]

I liked working at the tax office. Was a GR12.5 job. I dished out justice as i saw fit based upon peoples personalities (admittedly over the course of a phone call). If some old dear rang up and was in bother and was gracious I would happily bury her tax due. If some miserable fucker rang up giving it all that I would proper screw them and wring every penny out of the bad tempered fuck.

 

Plus there was flexi that EVERYONE fiddles  (its a 3 hour lunchbreak at the pub every day), top shizzle pension, LOTS of drinking, could move around the UK as I saw fit and keep my job and I got to figure out where the real money is by looking at what companies pay the most and went and got a job with one of them.

 

Top life choice the HMRC. Probably a little different now most of the offices are closed but certainly not that bad. 

 

Anyhow, I am glad the common sense approach worked out Colt without you and Howie having to come up with some hair brained scheme.