1959 LandRover VIN tags quadruple in value

[Alexg]

No more MOT tests from cars registered before 1960

 

http://www.dft.gov.uk/news/statements/penning-20120521a

[dollywobbler]

Once more, the Tories bring in more reasons to ring your classic! Nice work imbiciles.

[morris_ital_lover]

DfT in absolute fuck up shocker. If the opposition are cany about this it'll turn into a goldmine as first they can claim that it is to benefit the rich with their classics (we all know it isn't true but they'll make it stick nonetheless) and then when the first moggy load of kids goes hurtling through a hedge when a totally unfit for the road car crashes it'll be the DfT's fuck up extraordinaire.

 

All said and done it won't be a patch on the IEP program to replace the venerable 125's on our railways, which'll be one of the single biggest government fuckups of the next decade.

[messerschmitt owner]

looking forward to this but expect I shall have to prove my messerschmitt was made in 1959 and registered in January 1960.

 

Of course, it will encourage ringing of certain makes.

 

However, we're all law-abiding citizens ...

[Ross_K]

I had typed up a big rant on this subject and then said "Ah fuck it".

 

All that legislative work to keep 211,000 car owners happy? Good to see the government has solved all of society's other problems.

 

their initial MOT test failure rate (10%) is only a third of that of post -1960 manufactured vehicles.

 

I'll be interested to see the stats in five years time.

 

My own personal opinion, which I'm sure nobody cares about, is that EVERY car on the road should have some kind of road-worthiness testing. Whether it's used for 500 miles a year or 50000 miles a year.

[HillmanImp]

My own personal opinion, which I'm sure nobody cares about, is that EVERY car on the road should have some kind of road-worthiness testing. Whether it's used for 500 miles a year or 50000 miles a year.

 

I totally agree. Obviously if the car is unsafe then if PC Plod pulls it over and it is deemed to be illigalyou can still get done for it but for piece of mind I would want my car checking once a year. I am pretty sure plod only looks at basic things, I bet he does not dig around under the floor to see if its gone rotten.

 

How many VW camper vans are pre 1960? I suspect we will see a few dead hipsters in the next few years after they have fallen through the floor on their rotten ONG RATLUK shitbox.

[morris_ital_lover]

How many VW camper vans are pre 1960? I suspect we will see a few dead hipsters in the next few years after they have fallen through the floor on their rotten ONG RATLUK shitbox.

 

That statement has actually turned my opinion on this one. If we could see some automotive darwinism of OMG ratlookers it'll be worth it.

[messerschmitt owner]

and there was me thinking we'd have banger racers on the roads in their cars! Another good reason for Darwinism at its best!!

[Conrad D. Conelrad]

What will the implications be for plate-raping off scrap I wonder?

[jonathan_dyane]

What will the implications be for plate-raping off scrap I wonder?

 

+ twelvty billion. Bet all the plate traders are scanning old scrappers on ebay with a semi as we speak...

[scaryoldcortina]

2 things - First, expect that you will only be able to tax an exempt vehicle that is already taxed (ie renew, not fresh to the road) without a valid MoT certificate.

 

Second -

As mentioned in the answer to question 6, the Government is giving exempt vehicles the option

to do a voluntary MOT test. A voluntary MOT test could leave room for motor insurance

providers to require historic vehicles to do a MOT test. A voluntary MOT test could also

address concerns regarding difficulties motorists could face following road traffic accidents in

the absence of a test certificate.

 

meaning that you probably still will need a MoT if you are using the car at all.,

[idiotboy]

So in short its an utterly pointless exercise from the muppets in power...again.

[Pete-M]

Once more, the Tories bring in more reasons to ring your classic! Nice work imbiciles.

 

Tories brought in the rolling 25 year classic tax exemption which I'm sure most of us consider to be a good thing. Gormless Clown stopped it rolling when Labour got into power as I suspect his mob don't like classic car owners. The scrappage scheme was another perfect example of Labour's anti-old car bias, but let us not let facts get in the way of another good bit of Tory bashing, eh?

 

As it happens, I'd have been much happier if they'd brought the rolling tax exemption back. I think this MOT exemption is a very daft idea indeed. I don't know about you lot, but the MOT is often the only time in a year when I get someone else to have a good scan around underneath my cars as I don't own a four post ramp, or a brake testing machine.

 

It's gonna devalue the old cherished plates quite a bit as well. No MOT means there'll be a shit load of plate rape goin' on.

[The Reverend Bluejeans]

Once more, the Tories bring in more reasons to ring your classic! Nice work imbiciles.

 

Tories brought in the rolling 25 year classic tax exemption which I'm sure most of us consider to be a good thing. Gormless Clown stopped it rolling when Labour got into power as I suspect his mob don't like classic car owners. The scrappage scheme was another perfect example of Labour's anti-old car bias, but let us not let facts get in the way of a good bit of Tory bashing, eh?

 

Absolutely bang on. They've again done something decent for classic car owners (and who knows what's in the pipeline) but still someone fucking moans. The old damned do/don't scenario then.

[DSdriver]

I suppose its going to roll forward until it gets to 1972 cars and stop like the free road fund licence.

[dollywobbler]

But WHY have they brought it in? The only people who seem to have been desperate for it are the All Party parliamentary historic vehicle group thing, headed by a Tory. They play the 'oh it's reducing bureaucracy' card but is it really? Or is it just a 'cheap' crowd pleaser?

 

For the record, I'll bash Labour all day long as well. They're all shit.

[HillmanImp]

But WHY have they brought it in? The only people who seem to have been desperate for it are the All Party parliamentary historic vehicle group thing, headed by a Tory. They play the 'oh it's reducing bureaucracy' card but is it really? Or is it just a 'cheap' crowd pleaser?

 

For the record, I'll bash Labour all day long as well. They're all shit.

 

I know what you mean. The one incident that always sticks in my mind is the time that the Tories started slagging off Labour for building the Millenium Dome which was a Tory idea.

[Albert Ross]

I'm off into the shed to look for the 1958 Chassis plate I have off my old Series 1 88" Diesel.... and a large tub of glee, to rub into my hands.

[Mr_Bo11ox]

If they wanted to reduce bureaucracy they could give up on this recently introduced bureaucracy-increasing idea of making it a crime to have a taxed but uninsured car in your garage. And fook off the need to re-sorn every year. Twats.

[Lankytim]

How TF is abolishing MOT's for pre-1960 cars a good idea? What is the point??

[scaryoldcortina]

It's so I can keep my hotrod OTR totally for free. Historic tax, insured on the trade policy, now no need for MoT!

 

As an aside, I test a lot of pre '60 cars for a local specialist, so I'll need the money I'll be saving :

[messerschmitt owner]

How TF is abolishing MOT's for pre-1960 cars a good idea? What is the point??

there's sod all of them in real terms. There are fewer each year due to attrition, rust, accidents and idiots with matt black paint from Wilkinsons.

 

It's a few hundred thousand cars, the vast majority of which are well maintained and looked after.

 

It brings them into line with HGVs and PSVs of the same age. Take the break - volunteer to get it MoT'd if you're that concerned.

[Lankytim]

So when a wheel falls off some old duffers Herald on a dual carriageway and kills someone we can tell the bereaved family that it's OK because there isn't that many on the road anyway? This whole idea is the biggest load of bollocks I've heard in a long time. IMHO all vehicles that use the roads need to have an annual roadworthyness test.

 

Can you imagine the shit thats going to hit the roads when this goes though?

[Craig the Princess]

If they wanted to reduce bureaucracy they could give up on this recently introduced bureaucracy-increasing idea of making it a crime to have a taxed but uninsured car in your garage. And fook off the need to re-sorn every year. Twats.

 

This /\. Anyway an MoT is hardly the SVA is it, it's a very basic safety check which costs just over £50 (and generally less). Just because most pre-1960 vehicle owners are sensible doesn't mean no MoT is a good idea.

 

Can you imagine the shit thats going to hit the roads when this goes though?

Yep, every kit car will be based on a pre '60 VW Bettle vin plate, totally fucked VW campers (upto around 1978). How many Land Rovers, Maxis, Marinas, etc have been made pre-1973 with seemingly no punishments. Forget Sorn, bang £80.

[messerschmitt owner]

So when a wheel falls off some old duffers Herald on a dual carriageway and kills someone we can tell the bereaved family that it's OK because there isn't that many on the road anyway? This whole idea is the biggest load of bollocks I've heard in a long time. IMHO all vehicles that use the roads need to have an annual roadworthyness test.

 

Can you imagine the shit thats going to hit the roads when this goes though?

and yet, I don't hear of old trucks running amok - even the ones owned by people with no money, nor do I hear of old buses killing little old ladies. The few police on the road would have the ability to stop and declare unsafe any vehicle that was unroadworthy, and I hate to say it but there are more unroadworthy, dangerous and unsafe cars that don't require an MoT at the moment as they are only two and a half years old than there are pre-1960 vehicles in total!

 

What you forget, especially if you're regularly driving 80s and 90s classics is that old cars of the generation we're talking about need to be driven properly, you need to plan ahead when you want to stop, etc. I wouldn't dream of hammering down the road in a 1950s Vauxhall and expect it to handle or stop like a 1980s BMW.

[dollywobbler]

How many old trucks travel more distance than to a local show? How many pre-1960 trucks can travel faster than about 40mph? Not really the same thing, and I bet there are thousands less trucks than cars. I'm not sure I agree with MOT exception for them to be fair.

 

Pre-1960 cars don't have to be driven 'properly' either. My 1955 A90 Westminster was a right weapon! It really did need its brakes to be in top condition and it could easily travel at motorway speeds.

 

It's all well and good saying "these old codgers look after their cars" but checking the underside and brake pipe runs is a lot easier when a car is on a ramp. How many old people are going to be crawling around beneath their old motors?

[Lufthansa-Terminal]

Bet there are a few hard on's over at retro rides as rat look will go to a whole new level on vehicles that age.

 

^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Scrap today but come november with a wash and a years free tax they will be allover Ebay like a cheap coat

[Craig the Princess]

So when a wheel falls off some old duffers Herald on a dual carriageway and kills someone we can tell the bereaved family that it's OK because there isn't that many on the road anyway? This whole idea is the biggest load of bollocks I've heard in a long time. IMHO all vehicles that use the roads need to have an annual roadworthyness test.

 

Can you imagine the shit thats going to hit the roads when this goes though?

and yet, I don't hear of old trucks running amok - even the ones owned by people with no money, nor do I hear of old buses killing little old ladies. The few police on the road would have the ability to stop and declare unsafe any vehicle that was unroadworthy, and I hate to say it but there are more unroadworthy, dangerous and unsafe cars that don't require an MoT at the moment as they are only two and a half years old than there are pre-1960 vehicles in total!

 

What you forget, especially if you're regularly driving 80s and 90s classics is that old cars of the generation we're talking about need to be driven properly, you need to plan ahead when you want to stop, etc. I wouldn't dream of hammering down the road in a 1950s Vauxhall and expect it to handle or stop like a 1980s BMW.

 

A "1959" modified mini (made 1985) or beetle is a little different to the idea here mo. The idea is ok in theory but terrible in practice.

[messerschmitt owner]

A "1959" modified mini (made 1985) or beetle is a little different to the idea here mo. The idea is ok in theory but terrible in practice.

 

and you know I think they need to crack down on those kinds of things. There must be a job for a car nut doing inspections for the cops looking at this kind of stuff.

 

I think I'll suggest how many Land Rovers, Minis and VWs you could get crushed and people fined by doing just that!

 

It'd be fun, and I would personally enjoy removing every one of these dodgy cars off the road!

[catsinthewelder]

I wonder if VOSA just can't be doing with the hassle of all the different standards that these old motors have?

 

We know from the more recent classics that you don't need a foglight before one date and only need one rear view mirror before another. How much shorter can they make the testers manual if they can happily forget that pre 1930 cars can have hand painted numberplates etc.

 

A few years back I used to help out at a motorcycle workshop as part of a college course. The MOT brake test was a one finger job with modern sportsbikes but it could be 'entertaining' to get some oily old brit single to stop the rollers with it's 2" front drum.