Is this a way to not pay road tax??

[jaycey001]

I have a friend who drives a car on polish plates, they spend 9 months a year over here in england and go back to poland for a few months, wondering past there car a few days ago and noticed thre was not tax disk.

as far as i can make out you do not have to register the car in the u.k aslong as you have a permant address abroad and visit for a 24h period a year, so If lots of people clubed together and brought a cheap piece of land in poland/bulgaria e.c.t and all registerd our cars over there could we then drive freely in the u.k without tax? visiting once a year for a holiday

 

I know in ireland if your car is over 30 years old you only pay a few euros a year, and similarly ive seen old ruins over there selling for 8k. so if 16 of us put in £500 brought a ruin or some land with an address in the republic of ireland we would only be paying 44 euro a year tax as long as the car is over 30 years old. heres a link: http://www.classiccarsireland.eu/the_benefits.asp

 

Maby im just tight but i do realy hate paying tax for a car thats 25 years old and only does 4k mils a year!

 

Any thoughts?? other than that im a tight ass

[Mr Lobster]

I'd think its probably a good way to get your car seized tbh....

 

You can only drive a foreign registered car in the UK for six months before you have to register it here.

[Station]

It sounds like a good idea to save a few quid, but you'd only be enticing the great English Red Tape brigade to send you to court for some random law breaking, and also probably get your car seized.

[Futuramic]

I tried chatting up the speccy girl in the Post Office. She loved it but still bloody charged me!

 

So no.

 

Unless you find one of those colour photocopier thingies. And a paper punch.....

[MrDuke]

I tried chatting up the speccy girl in the Post Office. She loved it but still bloody charged me!

 

 

I once tried a similarly 'personal' approach in my local PO, using a replica Browning 9mm semi-automatic. It took me quite a while to make the young lady understand that I didn't want bags of cash, just a tax disc, but in fairness they didn't try and charge me for it. I probably wouldn't bother doing it again though, after the annoying behaviour of the police, and I do still feel guilty about the two old ladies who tried to stop me outside...

[flat4alfa]

A mate's been doing this for years, on and off

 

He flies to see his folks in Rome, scours the ads for anything worthwhile (he has a line with the UN and Embassy staff classifieds for ex-pat worthless RHD motors on Roma plates, or whatever), drives them back and sells to London foreign students. Even big stuff sells. Congestion charge, you see.

 

He has a pan-European any-driver insurance policy from a Dutch broker (cost $500) to cover him/family/missus/mates/whoever helps him drag motors back

 

The money from the motors funds his flights and stay

 

Which is nice.

[autofive]

i have a brilliant, fail-safe way of not paying any road tax......

 

 

freeby historic vehicle tax. completely legal, i didnt have to fly to rome or poland for the priviledge, and when i need another one (after 12 months) i simply apply online, and they send it through the post, so i dont even have to get off my lazy arse

[scaryoldcortina]

Thanks for reminding me... just retaxed the rod online for the grand total of nothing for 12 months...

[CreepingJesus]

I know there's a fair few UK haulage companies running on Belgian or Dutch plates, because the tax is much cheaper there. All they need is a legitimate operating centre in the given country (a Portakabin in a tiny yard will do), and they can re-plate any motor they see fit. I suppose it's a bit like a flag of convenience, but then again they usually run thro' Europe anyway. Much hassle to save a few bob!

It's also one of the reasons behind these Landy hybrids you see. Defender/Rangie running gear on coil spring suspension, with Defender panels...on a pre-73 chassis. Again, a long road for a shortcut, if you see what I mean.

[Tayne]

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[autofive]

stobarts

 

that reminds me

 

The vehicle details for PX57 BFY are:

 

Date of Liability 01 11 2010

Date of First Registration 10 10 2007

Year of Manufacture 2007

Cylinder Capacity (cc) 11705CC

CO2 Emissions 0g/Km

Fuel Type Heavy Oil

Export Marker Not Applicable

Vehicle Status Licence Not Due

Vehicle Colour GREEN

 

ive got to report this driver in the morning for generally behaving like a wanker on A1

 

EDIT: done it - reported him to half of stobarts distribution managers

[Tayne]

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[Negative Creep]

I ber Polish plates would be a good way to avoid any fines though. Not to mention having bald tyres and no brake lights

[retrogeezer]

Stobarts saved about 10million when they re-registered half the fleet in Belgium.

 

This it what really fucks me off.......

 

It's trucks that do 95% of the damage to roads yet they can get away with this while still raking in good profits. Meanwhile I have to subsidise it by paying £205 a year to tax my 26 year old car to do about a 1000 miles a year.

 

Wankers.

[catsinthewelder]

This it what really fucks me off.......

 

It's trucks that do 95% of the damage to roads yet they can get away with this while still raking in good profits. Meanwhile I have to subsidise it by paying £205 a year to tax my 26 year old car to do about a 1000 miles a year.

 

Wankers.

 

Completely agree, I wish they would make them leave the LHD foreign tractor units abroad and just put the trailers on the ferry.

[flat4alfa]

it would stop my cars getting clouted, for starters.

[Guest Leonard Hatred]

Some of these suggestions seem a bit much to avoid paying 56p a day.

[stoterstangen90]

Stobarts saved about 10million when they re-registered half the fleet in Belgium.

 

This it what really fucks me off.......

 

It's trucks that do 95% of the damage to roads yet they can get away with this while still raking in good profits. Meanwhile I have to subsidise it by paying £205 a year to tax my 26 year old car to do about a 1000 miles a year.

 

Wankers.

205 pound a Year?

Here in The Netherlands i pay that for 3 months........

Diesel citroen ZX.

[retrogeezer]

so you pay £820 a year just for road tax??

 

How much is fuel?

[Mr Lobster]

Completely agree, I wish they would make them leave the LHD foreign tractor units abroad and just put the trailers on the ferry.

 

Actually, in a lot of cases they do. There is a massive number of unaccompanied trailers brought across the channel.

[CreepingJesus]

Stobarts saved about 10million when they re-registered half the fleet in Belgium.

 

This it what really fucks me off.......

 

It's trucks that do 95% of the damage to roads yet they can get away with this while still raking in good profits. Meanwhile I have to subsidise it by paying £205 a year to tax my 26 year old car to do about a 1000 miles a year.

 

Wankers.

 

Cobblers. At the last count, there were roughly half a million HGV's registered in the UK. Versus 23 million cars. Who's doing the damage then, do you think?

Return on capitalisation is typically 5% on machinery which costs £100,000+ per outfit; profit margins are typically 2-3% on average. Most expensive road tax and diesel in Europe. Economically, the UK haulage industry is on its' knees - the rate of business failures and takeovers is spectacular. Not profitable.

You subsidise trucks do you? Every time I, or any other driver shifts a load somewhere, it's being driven towards an end user. Who will almost inevitably pay VAT. As will many of the other stages along the way, taking in import duties, and other taxes. I wouldn't say no to a wee subsidy myself...

So if you want to consider the toast you have for breakfast tomorrow, you might like to think how it got there, and how much revenue was generated in the process.

Don't blame the haulage industry for broken roads. Blame the government who take, take, take and don't redistribute to BEAR/Amey and the local authorities.

Blame the governments, who for decades have procrastinated over charging for road use. So while you pay for next to no miles, a foreign haulage company buys its' diesel in France, delivers in Britain, and sails away again without having paid a penny of tax. They've been doing it perfectly well on the Continent since forever, but not here.

That last word should definetly not be "wankers", thanks very much.

/rant

[retrogeezer]

So while you pay for next to no miles, a foreign haulage company buys its' diesel in France, delivers in Britain, and sails away again without having paid a penny of tax. They've been doing it perfectly well on the Continent since forever, but not here.

That last word should definetly not be "wankers", thanks very much.

 

somewhere in a past thread you will see that i have put exactly how unfair I think it is that foreign haulage companies use UK roads without paying a penny for it.....

 

The 'wankers' comment was aimed at Stobart for re-registering the trucks abroad, not trucks/truckers in general. You can't tell me Stobart isn't making a nice fat profit surely?

 

And I never saw a car leave deep tram lines on a motorway from it's weight, or churn up the tarmac on the edge of a roundabout from constant turning. The amount of cars V trucks is irrelevant....the average car weighs what? 1.5 - 2tons?? It is HGV's that damage roads with the huge weight they carry.

 

[catsinthewelder]

Actually, in a lot of cases they do. There is a massive number of unaccompanied trailers brought across the channel.

 

That's great, but I'd like to see it taken further. I'd like to see all road freight in Britain being moved in British registered right hand drive lorries. Now obviously there would have to be a minimum level to this, I can't see people having to transfer goods from a French registered Transit to a British one on Dover docks but for trucks surely we should do it. A big plus point in my eyes is that if all the lorries and trucks in Britain were British and therefore could be charged the going rate for the damage they cause the roads, then railfreight would be more competitive and there might be less lorries on the roads full stop.

 

This would obviously be a big plus point as it would mean less roadworks/faster motorways etc. and nothing whatsoever to do with liking freight trains and thinking that more of them would be a good thing (skulks off in anorak )

[autofive]

there used to be a subsidy on rail freight

one pound, per ton, per mile - at some point in the last 10 years this was stopped oh and look at stobarts website, its not just road transport they are into - but air freight and rail

 

http://www.stobartgroup.co.uk/

[Tayne]

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[Mr Lobster]

You can't tell me Stobart isn't making a nice fat profit surely?

 

It might not still be the case now they have diversified into rail and whatnot but certainly a couple of years back the fan club and licensing the name / image to people making model trucks was more profitable than the haulage operation.

[Lankytim]

The motorways here get shitted up by trucks because they were never built properly to start with, The footings are nowhere near as deep as they need to be to take the weight of traffic they take. On the continent they seem to have been built properly to start with meaning you don't get rutting and tramlines. IMHO the road network isn't fit for purpose and hasn't been for decades, it just cant support the 60 odd million people who live in the U.K, all of who need goods transporting by road to support their lifestyles.

 

Shifting stuff by rail is a good idea, but how do you get stuff from the rail head to the customer? Does every Tesco and Dorothy Perkins need its own rail head?

[Albert Ross]

Hey. Why not have a rail fed goods depot in every town, with small trucks taking the goods to the shops. Oh wait. Dr. Beeching? Is that you?

[scaryoldcortina]

Hey. Why not have a rail fed goods depot in every town, with small trucks taking the goods to the shops. Oh wait. Dr. Beeching? Is that you?

 

 

pmsl. as I scrolled down to this answer, I was mulling over how our nearest tesco's is on Station road, and the pub opposite is the railway arms... nearest line is 15 miles away, and the delivery trucks have fucked up all the roads....

[Guest]

What is really needed is for a complete rethink from the ground up as to why a vehicle is on the road. Do people really need to rack up 10K a year, or is it because things are geared that way? It seems like common practice for people to work miles away, shop miles away, eat miles away. This online shopping thing is quite a good idea from a resources point of view - send out a big van with a load of shopping trips in it rather than a selection of separate cars. Perhaps they could do away with mega supermarkets and just have small ones dotted about which concentrate on essential goods, with the more odd stuff restricted to the Internet. And I've said it for yonks, but home-working needs to be taken more seriously as there's still so many jobs where it could be done. If I was allowed to work from home, I'd barely have to leave the house which would be a plus for both me and the general public. Presumably I'd also only be monitored on my actual work output (which suits me fine). There should be massive incentives for it - old offices could subsequently be converted to housing and sort this stock shortage we're meant to have. It would also mean all these tossers who turn up to work an hour early every day wouldn't be recognised or appreciated for it - great!

 

In conclusion, I absolutely love driving, but I'd be quite happy to completely get rid of work commutes and trips out to some bloody retail park miles away.