Tax exemption under threat?

[goosey]

I think the plan is to just just stop the 40 year rolling exemption and introduce a “built before this date” like Labour did years ago, think they changed it to before 1973 as I remember my dads 75 Landrover series 3 became a 68 series 2A overnight 

[loserone]

Why do you think that is the plan?

[goosey]

1 hour ago, loserone said:

Why do you think that is the plan?

[loserone]

Just now, goosey said:

That's history, not a plan.  And it brought us into line with other similar countries 

[goosey]

7 minutes ago, loserone said:

That's history, not a plan.  And it brought us into line with other similar countries 

Oh I see, yes you are correct that’s history which is why I “think” it may happen again 

[sheffcortinacentre]

Also this is the Diana effect cause a shit storm to divert the sheeples attention from the real problems effecting the country & it's leaders.

Always loved there permanent header " best selling classic newspaper "   yeah like "topper" is the number one mag on milk bottle top collecting.

[alcyonecorporation]

I wouldn't have stuck that on the front cover. 

It would have been in there somewhere - probably page 4 or somewhere like that. 
File it under conjecture. If Reeves had have alluded to it in an interview or something that might have raised the bar. 

Whatever. 
 

[comfortablynumb]

Anything to get sales....🤔

[alcyonecorporation]

Well, they don't invent quotes, if that's what anyone is worried about. 
Just an MP looking to get a soundbite out. 

[Matty]

1 hour ago, alcyonecorporation said:

 

Ah if it happens it happens. Much as folk will jump up and down, it'll happen anyway. Not worth getting our knickers in a twist about shit we can't control.

Sorry @alcyonecorporation no idea why you're at the top of this. Must've hit quote by accident.

[warch]

20 hours ago, EyesWeldedShut said:

I ran a Ser 2a Land Rover under the old exemption - it did come in handy - just about covered the annual expenditure on leaked oils and welding sticks

I think the last time I paid for any road tax for mine was in 1997, so I've saved something like 10 grand in road tax since then, which even allowing for periodic repairs and upkeep leaves me considerably in credit. 

I wouldn't be completely shocked if they froze the exemption, though I'd be surprised if they did away with it altogether (given the febrile atmosphere surrounding any policy changes). It'd be a bit annoying for me as my Astra, which is MoT exempt in December becomes tax exempt next April (under the current system).

[Peter C]

48 minutes ago, warch said:

my Astra, which is MoT exempt in December becomes tax exempt next April (under the current system).

That's the status of my W123 230E, hence my concerns. 

[danthecapriman]

19 minutes ago, Peter C said:

That's the status of my W123 230E, hence my concerns. 

I’m really hoping to sneak my 740 into exemption but I’m not sure it’ll happen now.

[warch]

I do have previous for falling down the wrong side of cut offs. I was born in June 1977, so will need to wait an additional 12 months to collect my paltry statutory pension compared to people born before April 5th of that year. 

[83C]

No point stressing about it. An article made entirely of conjecture written by a member of the opposition party in the lead up to the Budget should be dismissed for the nonsense that it is. 

In the broader sense this is just another of a long series of articles that the British press have been pumping out for months, all about what the Chancellor might, could, possibly, maybe do, covering everything from motoring to houses to pensions to income tax and more. None of it is coincidence, it's all designed to keep us scared and worrying about how nasty it'll all be. I'll worry about what changes when the actual budget is announced, because that is all that matters.

[danthecapriman]

28 minutes ago, warch said:

I do have previous for falling down the wrong side of cut offs. I was born in June 1977, so will need to wait an additional 12 months to collect my paltry statutory pension compared to people born before April 5th of that year. 

I expect the way things are going there won’t be a state pension soon! Certainly won’t be by the time I retire.

[warch]

47 minutes ago, 83C said:

No point stressing about it. An article made entirely of conjecture written by a member of the opposition party in the lead up to the Budget should be dismissed for the nonsense that it is. 

In the broader sense this is just another of a long series of articles that the British press have been pumping out for months, all about what the Chancellor might, could, possibly, maybe do, covering everything from motoring to houses to pensions to income tax and more. None of it is coincidence, it's all designed to keep us scared and worrying about how nasty it'll all be. I'll worry about what changes when the actual budget is announced, because that is all that matters.

Yeah, according to what I can see of that article it is the writer worrying that some might happen. No actual evidence has been put forward to support this concern so presumably its just fearmongering for either political ends or to flog overpriced newspapers. 

The only similar thing I've seen is that consultation has taken place during 2025 to decide whether rules for MoT exemption needs altering. See this very clickbaity article from February this year suggesting that changes are definitely taking place.

  DVLA to End MOT Exemption for Some Classic Cars in 2025 | Regit

[Rocket88]

Classic Car Weekly used to ( and may still) carry adverts for fuel pellets as advertised by the odious Mike Brewer, in spite off their efficacy being totally rubbished by some fairly extensive scientific research. 

[EightMegs]

Ireland has a rolling 30 year tax exemption (well, not a full exemption, it just gets capped at €56) but NCT exemption is only for cars registered before 1980. I don't really get the point in NCT/MOT exemption personally, I don't understand why you should be taken at your word that your car is roadworthy just because it gets past an arbitrary age.

[junkyarddog]

2 hours ago, EightMegs said:

Ireland has a rolling 30 year tax exemption (well, not a full exemption, it just gets capped at €56) but NCT exemption is only for cars registered before 1980. I don't really get the point in NCT/MOT exemption personally, I don't understand why you should be taken at your word that your car is roadworthy just because it gets past an arbitrary age.

The NCT is a rolling date too,40 years for test exempt.

My 205 is exempt next year,thankfully as the test is getting ridiculously difficult to pass now,and the price has increased,substantially in the case of the retest fee!

[alcyonecorporation]

1 hour ago, junkyarddog said:

The NCT is a rolling date too,40 years for test exempt.

My 205 is exempt next year,thankfully as the test is getting ridiculously difficult to pass now,and the price has increased,substantially in the case of the retest fee!

What's changed to make it more difficult? 

[EightMegs]

1 hour ago, junkyarddog said:

The NCT is a rolling date too,40 years for test exempt.

My 205 is exempt next year,thankfully as the test is getting ridiculously difficult to pass now,and the price has increased,substantially in the case of the retest fee!

Ah fair, I last checked before the pandemic when 1980 was still less than forty years ago.

[junkyarddog]

8 hours ago, alcyonecorporation said:

What's changed to make it more difficult? 

They will fail you now for ridiculous minor things,just to get the retest fee.

The test is run by a private company in dedicated test centers.

An older car,say 30+ is expected to pass the same test as a 4 year old one.

It's a lot stricter than the MOT.

[willswitchengage]

Ironically PC mag has just done an article about how the classic community is now better related to the DVLA - noting that the DVLA just enforces, not set policy.

Anyway, I imagine any change is extremely unlikely considering what a tiny minority of cars on the road classics are. The exemption is very fair as classics are rarely used, in all seriousness, how often do you see them on the road? Maybe a token/small registration fee would be fair, of £20 or something, but there's no reason whatsoever for a big 'sin tax' which is what VED is for most cars.

On the topic, it's the retardedly stupid 2001-2017 VED system that needs to be abandoned. I was looking at new cars recently, a candidate lied in this bracket and is £750 a year to tax because a spurious lab result showed it had twice the fuel consumption of a car that's £20 a year to tax.

[warch]

12 minutes ago, willswitchengage said:

Ironically PC mag has just done an article about how the classic community is now better related to the DVLA - noting that the DVLA just enforces, not set policy.

Anyway, I imagine any change is extremely unlikely considering what a tiny minority of cars on the road classics are. The exemption is very fair as classics are rarely used, in all seriousness, how often do you see them on the road? Maybe a token/small registration fee would be fair, of £20 or something, but there's no reason whatsoever for a big 'sin tax' which is what VED is for most cars.

On the topic, it's the retardedly stupid 2001-2017 VED system that needs to be abandoned. I was looking at new cars recently, a candidate lied in this bracket and is £750 a year to tax because a spurious lab result showed it had twice the fuel consumption of a car that's £20 a year to tax.

I thought the modern system was based purely on stated CO2 emissions results not mpg. 
 

It is possible to have a very economic engine that tangibly produces masses of emissions, my old CBR absolutely stank of whatever 80s petrol engines smell of but still did 55mpg, which is as good as a modern bike with a emissions control system could manage.

[alcyonecorporation]

The even more stupid thing being that you can have bikes on the borderline of ULEZ emissions requirements tuned to meet ULEZ.

[vtec-e]

When ULEZ was introduced my 25 year old Civic was still managing over 50 mpg, but because it had a pre Euro-4 engine and 'dirty emissions'  it would have attracted the charge. So it had to go unfortunately.

I can't see the government making any changes for the 40 year rule as any change they do make will cost in system changes, and the money they could get in will be peanuts compared to the supposedly black hole billions.   

[New POD]

17 hours ago, Rocket88 said:

Classic Car Weekly used to ( and may still) carry adverts for fuel pellets as advertised by the odious Mike Brewer, in spite off their efficacy being totally rubbished by some fairly extensive scientific research. 

Cash is king.  

[willswitchengage]

4 hours ago, warch said:

thought the modern system was based purely on stated CO2 emissions results not mpg. 

You are correct, they are, but mpg and CO/km are directly related (minor fudge factor differences between pez and diesel though as the two fuels have different molecular saturation)

[EightMegs]

2 hours ago, willswitchengage said:

You are correct, they are, but mpg and CO/km are directly related (minor fudge factor differences between pez and diesel though as the two fuels have different molecular saturation)

CO/km should be negligible if you have a working catalytic converter, and CO2 per kilometre doesn't have anything to do with the ULEZ, Euro 4 is about particulates, unburnt hydrocarbons, and nitrogen oxides coming out of the exhaust. Compare the MOT exhaust gas analysis from a 25 year old Civic with a modern one and I think you'd be surprised at what's coming out.