The grumpy thread

[tonedepear]

Ah. I've honestly never looked at how company cars actually work, never having been in a position to get a company car offered to me, ever ever.

 

Looks like a load of old shit to me on closer inspection. I'd go for the cheapest possible 4x4 option you can, and then use it for fearless snow driving in the winter.

[ChinaTom]

Ah. I've honestly never looked at how company cars actually work, never having been in a position to get a company car offered to me, ever ever.

 

Looks like a load of old shit to me on closer inspection. I'd go for the cheapest possible 4x4 option you can, and then use it for fearless snow driving in the winter.

 

It's easy to get excited and puffed up about your employer providing a set of wheels - look at all the smug A4 TDi and 318d owners avoiding each others' gaze at petrol pumps when an A6 pulls in. But in reality, it drains your salary, screws up your tax, makes you self conscious in front of neighbours (that could just be me though), increases the charity plastic bags and donation envelopes that pile up by the door.

 

Volvo growing on me. T6AWD with boggo wheels and the badge removed might do the job.

[tonedepear]

I'm annoyed enough that my work are giving me an iphone this week.

 

I do like modern ovlovs though. Folks have just bought a brand new xc60. If I'm honest I reckon it's the last new volvo I'd pick but it's not for me it's for them, and they all look a bit swish to me.

[Negative Creep]

Further to my last grump, seems i may not have to worry about stupid work shifts as my contract is due to run out at the end of the week. But they did that as Im off vack to uni soon. Which is news to me.

[Cavcraft]

'There are more protestors than travellers at Dale Farm'.

I wonder if any of those right on hippies would be so kind as to invite the gyppos to come and park up in their back yard now? Thought not.

[ashmicro]

^^ Operation Motorman II - Pikey Clearance. That's my advice.

 

 

Centurion AVRE

[scaryoldcortina]

110mm demolition cannon and a bulldozer blade.... WIN!

[chaseracer]

Don't let the fact that they own the land get in the way of the casual racism, eh...?

[Cavcraft]

Sod all to do with racism, everything to do with them taking the piss. Did they have permission for all those extra caravans/hard standing etc?

[Negative Creep]

Fuck 'em. I wonder how much tax they pay on their property? Or car insurance? Personally I'd love to see the authorities give a deadline then the second it expires move in with bulldozers and batons

[yes oui si]

Don't let the fact that they own the land get in the way of the casual racism, eh...?

Since when was tax-avoiding, shitting-in-the-bushes pikey a race?

 

On the way home from work, I found an escalator handrail that you could grab and pull backwards, confusing the bejesus out of the old biddy ten feet ahead of me.

 

*n

[Albert Ross]

I bet that was a hoot... Do the winter nights fly by?

[yes oui si]

I bet that was a hoot... Do the winter nights fly by?

Literally the only thing that keeps me sane...

 

*n

[ashmicro]

Chase, no disrespect to you, but you seem to have fallen for the bullshit spouted by these pikeys about their forbears being rounded up by the Germans. These Oirish tinks are claiming a cultural heritage to which they are not entitled.

[Albert Ross]

Try walking down a busy shopping street, and shouting "DAVE" at the top of your voice. See how many people turn round, then also turn round, to make it look like someone else shouted.

 

Or.... follow little old ladies round the supermarket, slipping Vodka and condoms in their trollies. Watch and laugh as they get to the checkout, denying all knowledge, or conversely, just buying them, and having a good time!

[Des]

Pikeys aren't a race, they're a sub-species.

[dollywobbler]

Sod all to do with racism, everything to do with them taking the piss. Did they have permission for all those extra caravans/hard standing etc?

 

Aye. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ ... eland.html

[ashmicro]

If this was an old lady building an illegal conservatory it would have been removed already and she would have been charged for the privilege.Will you government idiots please stop wasting our tax money on a very simple problem!

 

The sooner they get these parasites out of Essex,and on a boat back to their native land the better,it's about time this government (that's a joke),grew a set of balls,and carried out the wishes of the majority of hard working people in this country,fuck the EU,fuck the UN,and definitely fuck the boggies in Dale Farm.

[Cavcraft]

Personally, I don't get wound up by all the racist wailing and gnashing. Race-baiting is an industry in the West now. Whole communities living off hand-outs rather than hand-ups. Fat-cat orgs funded by tax dollars (or tax-exempt with featherbed board members). Race shake-downs on corporations under threat of race-based embargo. Racial pay-outs for historical crimes from 100 or two hundred years ago. All toss.

 

But, what I do keep my eye on are the TECHNIQUES used to shit on certain segments of the population. Thus, for example, when the cops want to strip arms from all poor inner city peeps, you see the western state cowboy types get up in their saddles about right to own firearms.

 

Same way with cars and land-use there. If laws to roll over people's property rights are being exploited to do something you now "agree with", then THINK HARD. Could those same laws be used on YOU next? By different people, with a different agenda?

 

Huh. Calls for broader thinking, and separating your reptilian impulses from your higher order mental functions.

 

Trouble with that, me old tater, is it's a seperate issue. I honestly can't see how lobbing tinkers off land that they shouldn't be on (in the number that they are) is anything like people keeping shit old cars up their drive.

Don't deny for one minute neighbours of people who collect old crap are probably not too happy about it but who (regardless of the general content of this forum) would sooner have a gyspsy camp next to them than some old fruitcake who had 11 rusting Allegros up his drive?

 

Anyhow these lovely people are costing the tax payer circa £18M to boot them out. The land is worth £120,000 but they 'kindly' offered to go peacefually if the council bought the land back off them. For six million quid.

[outlaw118]

Re Dale farm/ pikey/ gyppo issue.

 

I have a teeny bit of sympathy for SOME of them. As I understand it, a patch of land was bought, and permission given for some pitches to be put there. Ten or twelve, the number escapes me.

 

So, a few years on, when there's upwards of 200 people living there, Basildon Council (who are partly to blame for letting things get this far) decide to do something about it, after some serious pressure from local businesses, residents and da polis.

 

Crays Hill, WAS a really nice little village between Basildon and Wickford and Billericay, and property ownership was expensive, but with good reason. It was an aspiration place to live, and whilst some may subscribe to the communist "all property is theft" thing, I, and the local residents do not. House values have fallen through the floor, local businesses have suffered due to theft/shoplifting etc etc. Myself and my brother have had a couple of cars nicked....2 guesses where they ended up? I work for "The water board" and local customers have complained that the water mains can't cope with the demand that Dale farm has placed on the supply, causing a drop in pressure. The "travellers" themselves aren't paying for the water either, they've tapped into the supply themselves via the mains and set themselves up. Colleaugues of mine have been assaulted, abused etc etc when they've attempted to sort thisa out - needless to say it was a less then professional job - and now don't go anywhere near the place. My nephew is a "special cuntsable" (sic), and the place is on a list, where you don't just take a panda car on there and expect to get some answers.

 

In short, if they had behaved like the decent human beings that they expect us to believe that they are, nobody would have kicked up, this wouldn't be happening. No more theiving, no abuse, no dumping, no bonfires constantly, the list goes on. Now, the few decent souls that are on there( law of averages dictates that there must be) are being penalised. They're the ones I have sympathy for.

 

You're supposed to be "travellers".

So, fuck off, and travel.

[cort16]

Some cheeky wanker got into my ebay account and started trying to flog stuff through my account. I can't believe they cracked my old password of "password1". Anyway fair play to ebay who shut them down and straightened the whole thing out before I'd even realised something had gone wrong.

To be fair it was partly my fault as I'd never changed that password and did use it on other site. I work in IT as well I should know better.

[Albert Ross]

Wrong thread, but right context.... this made me grin. I know a guy who works as a demolition contractor, around Yorkshire and surrounding areas. One day, he turns up on a site, it was a factory of some description, and built in a small dip.... So a tight place to get large trucks and demo equipment in and out. In order to gain access, the road had to be partially closed by the Council/Police due to the size of the equipment. Well the demolition over, and 95% of the rubble cleared, about 25 or so Pikeys apeared on the land. Well. The guy I know, gave them an ultimatum. "Get off the land or you'll never leave it with these caravans".... The response was in the finest Anglo-Saxon. The basic threat was this. He had a few remaining bits to clear, the diggers to load it, and the trucks to shift it, and the idea was to leave about 20 tons across the access road, which was virtually inaccessible to large equipment.... (unless the road was closed to allow passage, remember) So he told the Chief Jidder about his plan. He was going to clear the rest of the land, and leave 20 tons across the road. Whether he and his cohorts were on the land or not. Strangely, the travellers left, with a nod and a smile! Oh, how he recounted the story of the "battle" for a few weeks. The land remained clear until a new housing estate went up!

[RoadworkUK]

Norm, I can't help but think that you might have a slightly askew concept of who these travellers are.

 

You're absolutely right about the dubious merit of applying blanket laws across all elements of society and expecting it to be fair in all applications. Probably can't be done.

 

These guys, though, by cramming two hundred of themselves onto a site orginally entitled to 12 pitches and then building permanent dwellings on it, have essentially built their own private housing estate in an area that was never supposed to have one. There are no dwellings registered on that site. Therefore they aren't covered by services, no electricity or official sewage provision, they don't appear on any electoral roll, the dwellings are not rateable or eligible for any statutary property taxes; they are, in essence, not recognised as dwellings. They don't officially exsist.

 

This suits the "travellers" who have absolutely no intention of travelling if they can help it, they get to live somewhere yet contribute absolutely nothing to the local infrastructure, yet have the gumption to quote human rights when they have done their level best to sideline themselves into some parallel society where normal rules don't apply.

 

And the quality of their tarmacadam is typically very poor.

[ashmicro]

Norm, we can't fuck them out on immigration grounds. If they're are from the Irish Republic they have the right to live and work in any other EU state. Planning and land law is the only way to get them. Personally, I'd have put something "interesting" in their water supply long since. The R.o.I. government changed the law to make trespass a criminal offence, here in the UK it's only civil, so the ones that tip up at the roadside, or on other people's land are a 'mare to get rid off. Plod routinely spins the line of "not a police matter"

 

BTW, I hear they don't like paintballs...Just heard, that's all.

[yes oui si]

Trouble with that, me old tater, is it's a seperate issue. I honestly can't see how lobbing tinkers off land that they shouldn't be on (in the number that they are) is anything like people keeping shit old cars up their drive.

 

Billy, it is and it's not. You're right and you're right.

 

But being right, doesn't mean "any means are justified". Because if those means are too broad or too gumby, and can be applied to UK citizens in far DIFFERENT fact scenarios, then you've merely chambered the bullet in the gun aimed at YOU next.

 

If travellers are to go, and there is legal justification for ejecting them on immigration grounds, that would be the cleanest way to do it, IMO. Once you start using land-use laws against them, you set legal precedent to be MIS-used against other people there legally. You know, like YOU.

 

Wise man say: "Beware getting what you want. You just might get it."

that's the thing, fella. They aren't setting a precedent; they're using existing laws in ways which they have been used many times before.

 

*n

[CIH]

Norm, I can't help but think that you might have a slightly askew concept of who these travellers are.

 

You're absolutely right about the dubious merit of applying blanket laws across all elements of society and expecting it to be fair in all applications. Probably can't be done.

 

These guys, though, by cramming two hundred of themselves onto a site orginally entitled to 12 pitches and then building permanent dwellings on it, have essentially built their own private housing estate in an area that was never supposed to have one. There are no dwellings registered on that site. Therefore they aren't covered by services, no electricity or official sewage provision, they don't appear on any electoral roll, the dwellings are not rateable or eligible for any statutary property taxes; they are, in essence, not recognised as dwellings. They don't officially exsist.

 

This suits the "travellers" who have absolutely no intention of travelling if they can help it, they get to live somewhere yet contribute absolutely nothing to the local infrastructure, yet have the gumption to quote human rights when they have done their level best to sideline themselves into some parallel society where normal rules don't apply.

 

And the quality of their tarmacadam is typically very poor.

 

You phase that in a far more eleqent and concise manner than I ever could. I was thinkin more like "dirty thieving bastards Grrrr etc"

[Cavcraft]

Apparantly it's not a good idea to get a loan so I can buy a recovery truck.

[scaryoldcortina]

Apparantly it's not a good idea to get a loan so I can buy a recovery truck.

 

tell them you want to build a conservatory or go on holiday to spain

[Cavcraft]

It was the domestic manager who said no, not the bank. She wouldn't have bleeding refused had it been either of your suggestions

[scaryoldcortina]

Ah, I see. Can't you pretend you accidently bought a recovery truck with the holiday money while on the way to the travel agents?