project Invacar MK12 - New owner Mrs 6Cyl

[LightBulbFun]

Watching this with interest. I wonder how long ago that was actually last used? Bearing in mind it probably wasn't driven into the yard and might have been laid up for a while beforehand.

 

hopefully the ICR might know, always worth asking (plasticvandan mentioned at one point that a lot of records that where supposed to have been destroyed where actually saved)

 

but its also one of the reasons I want to see pictures of the lightbulbs that remain might give us a clue as to how/when it was used (that and I always enjoyed a good lightbulb picture  )

 

(I cant imagine many of these ventured out at night so who knows maybe some original 1960s bulbs are still installed )

 

 

and obviously if the original reg can be found, we should be able to shove that into the DVLA website and see when tax was last due

[egg]

I tried to get some bulbs out today for you LBF, but they were all pretty rusted in place. Hope to do that soon.

[anonymous user]

Brave man but I think it's a great save!

 

Are there any kit-car manufacturers about where you are? All Super Seven copies have flat screens so anyone who can do that should certainly be able to help you out. I needed the service of one once when a drunken dentist fell out of my Vindicator on the way back from the pub and cracked the windscreen.

Flat glass will be no problem, you can get them done from a template with people who do them for site plant equipment (JCB, etc.) There's one on the Bridgend Industrial Estate, ok a bit far for you, but there should be one in your area.

[anonymous user]

That would be massively appreciated, thank you.

 

I reckon this is the bulb holder that goes behind the brake light - I'm going to need them, as the one I removed is very rusty...but English parts bin experts may know better.

 

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/LUCAS-TYPE-L488-SINGLE-FILAMENT-BULB-HOLDER-Lucas-No-573285-NOS-Austin-A35-Mini/192824851576?epid=1425202775&hash=item2ce541bc78:g:UZgAAOSwu6taajua:rk:1:pf:1&frcectupt=true

 

Those type look very much like the stuff of Land Rovers as well.

[LightBulbFun]

I tried to get some bulbs out today for you LBF, but they were all pretty rusted in place. Hope to do that soon.

 

I appreciate the effort/thought  time to break out the penetrating oil? 

 

another thing that came to mind that might give some idea on when it may of last been used is, what are the tyres on it? I know tyres these days have date codes, im not sure about older ones, but maybe just from the brand name or model of tyre someone might be able to tell

[egg]

I think these tyres are so old they are before the standardised xx/xx (week/year) dating system. To be honest I can't even see the sizes on them, and I'm going to need two tyres to get the car moveable. Also, the wheels are in need of serious de-rusting work.

[DodgeRover]

Personally I would fill in a application for a logbook form giving just the vin and send it with a covering letter to the dvla, do not send £25.

If it's on the system they will write back quoting the ref number along with a request for money or if they were notified of a change of keeper at the time they will send you the new log book foc.

 

Mark your letter: Clerical vehicle enquiries.

[jonathan_dyane]

Can’t someone do an hpi check on the chassis number to get the registration number?

[lanciamatt]

I can get it hpi checked for you (work in motor trade). Send me chassis number and I'll try for you

[barrett]

Here's all the slim Invalid Carriage book has to say. Really pleased to see this on here, I wasn't following the thread until it arrived, which was a nice surprise. Looking forward to updates.

 

Nb don't send anything to the DVLA unless it's recorded delivery, otherwise they WILL lose it

[egg]

I can get it hpi checked for you (work in motor trade). Send me chassis number and I'll try for you

 

Thanks  - but I only have the number on the previous page 87862!

[egg]

Barrett - thanks, so that means the car was built between April-December 1967 from that info. Also I have a hydraulic front brake!

 

[anonymous user]

Imagine the shock if it comes back on hpi showing crashed/stolen/outstanding finance

[LightBulbFun]

I think these tyres are so old they are before the standardised xx/xx (week/year) dating system. To be honest I can't even see the sizes on them, and I'm going to need two tyres to get the car moveable. Also, the wheels are in need of serious de-rusting work.

 

well there ya go theres a clue 

 

I THINK the mk12s (and pretty much every other invalid carriage of the time) used the same 12 inch wheels, like whats on TWC, maybe DW can tell us what tyre size you need (IIRC TWC is on Michelin Xs)

 

 

Here's all the slim Invalid Carriage book has to say. Really pleased to see this on here, I wasn't following the thread until it arrived, which was a nice surprise. Looking forward to updates.

 

Nb don't send anything to the DVLA unless it's recorded delivery, otherwise they WILL lose it

20190214_204304.jpg

 

ohh that was a quite interesting read, thanks for posting that, its cool to know all the differences between the diffrent Mk12s

[lanciamatt]

Recently I've been trying to find my dad's old merc, and I stumbled on the reg (which I previously only knew partial). I checked on DVLA tax checker and it came back untaxed since 1986.i phoned DVLA to enquire about car and it turns out its still registered to him. One thing I have learned recently is, if you check a car on DVLA tax checker and it come up but has been untaxed for years. The only reason it has been added to the new system is that it will still be registered to someone.chances are this invacar will still be registered to someone so logbook shouldn't be too hard to get. In theory my dad could apply to DVLA for logbook for his 70s now expensive merc.

[lanciamatt]

If that is the chassis number I will try it tomorrow for you,

[egg]

Recently I've been trying to find my dad's old merc, and I stumbled on the reg (which I previously only knew partial). I checked on DVLA tax checker and it came back untaxed since 1986.i phoned DVLA to enquire about car and it turns out its still registered to him. One thing I have learned recently is, if you check a car on DVLA tax checker and it come up but has been untaxed for years. The only reason it has been added to the new system is that it will still be registered to someone.chances are this invacar will still be registered to someone so logbook shouldn't be too hard to get. In theory my dad could apply to DVLA for logbook for his 70s now expensive merc.

 

Is that something about what they used to do when cars were scrapped? I.e. my folks MK2 escort is still showing (TFN148T) last taxed 1997, but the Mondeo I scrapped recently is already wiped from the face of the earth.

 

Thanks for offering re: the chassis number.

[lanciamatt]

Ye that's it, it's technically still registered to them. Ring DVLA to enquire about car they will ask reg first, then registered keeper, you will probably find its still registered to them

[LightBulbFun]

Is that something about what they used to do when cars were scrapped? I.e. my folks MK2 escort is still showing (TFN148T) last taxed 1997, but the Mondeo I scrapped recently is already wiped from the face of the earth.

 

Thanks for offering re: the chassis number.

 

im not sure how it all works exactly

 

but i know these days you have the whole certificate of destruction thing, which will  make a car/reg vanish from the online checker

 

but I think thats only a fairly recent thing, for example I could look up TPA621M since before Zel got the V5s for it, or my mums old Volvo which she gave to council to scrap in 2001 (BAR971X)

 

but it seems like if the car was not last taxed since some date in the 1970s then you cant find anything on it today (for example most of the historic pictures of Mk12 and Model 67s those regs dont turn anything up)

 

I think it might have something to do when they centralised everything in the 1970s IIRC

 

but im dont really know the whole subjec myselft, someone who knows their stuff will probably be able to explain it way better then I have

[wuvvum]

Didn't the DVLA computer shit itself at one point and lose all the records of vehicles / licence holders prior to that date?

[Zelandeth]

I think these are still held in the system because their scrapping predated the certificate of destruction existing. Now as soon as the DVLA receive the CoD the car will disappear from the system. Prior to that they would just float around pretty much forever I think.

[DodgeRover]

Didn't the DVLA computer shit itself at one point and lose all the records of vehicles / licence holders prior to that date?

 

 

Alegedly it ran out of space in the early 80's so they archived loads of records that were still on the system but had had not activity in many many years, i.e change of owner or been taxed, so presumed gone, hence these records still exist but don't show in reg checker etc. I glenned this nugget of info from Facebook so it may be fake news but does sound vaguely plausible, it came to light as somebody was chasing up a vehicle that had a computerised logbook but didn't show on the system.

[Eddie Honda]

I gleaned that nugget of info from the FBHVC, it's in one of their newsletters.

[Eddie Honda]

Here's the newsletter extract now I'm at my desktop and able to search PDFs efficiently:
 

DVLA - Nigel Harrison
 
EARLY V5 DOCUMENTS
 
The V5 document is the predecessor of the V5C, and both are generally referred to as logbooks. The information on the V5 and V5C is an extract from the DVLA vehicle computer database and includes vehicle and registered keeper details.

In the early days of DVLA (or DVLC as it was originally known) there were concerns, (subsequently found to be incorrect) about the memory capacity of the computer system. In the early days of DVLC if a vehicle record had been inactive for three years it was archived and removed from the on-line system. By inactive, this could mean that there had been no changes of ownership, or that the vehicle had not been taxed. There have been cases where an owner had tried to tax, or change ownership, of a vehicle that had just an early V5, as distinct from the later V5C. Because the vehicle did not come up as normal on the on-line system, the DVLA local office assessed, incorrectly, that the vehicle was not registered with DVLA so suggested a claim for an original number using the V765 scheme.

If you have a V5, then a record should already be in the DVLA system or archives, so using the V765 scheme is not the way ahead. In cases like this contact the Federation for advice and assistance.

[egg]

Back on the rear brake lights,

 

Paddock spares do an aftermarket complete Land Rover assembly for £8.52 each. I'm tempted to get these for the rubber seal and bulb holder/wiring but use the original lens

 

https://www.paddockspares.com/589446-rear-light-assembly-3in-diameter.html

 

 

Or here in Germany (!) is a complete 'OEM' assembly for €15...

 

https://www.ebay-kleinanzeigen.de/s-anzeige/ruecklicht-original-land-rover-lucas-l761-bs-2516-nos/1047209782-223-1379

 

[stuboy]

id go with a pair of landie ones

[egg]

A bit more info about the Dynastart system fitted to this car...

 

http://historic-vehicle-parts.com/en/Overhaul-Restore/Electronics/Dynastarters/index.html

 

The Siba company produced starter generators based on DC motors under the designation DynaStarter from 1935; in 1959, Siba was taken over by Bosch and thus so was DynaStarter. The name Dynastarter is derived from the words ‘dynamo’ and ‘starter’. Their unique feature was – or rather still is – that they are directly mounted on the crankshaft with no other gearing. The starter generators were first used by DKW Mobile and then later by BMW in the Isetta, NSU Prinz, Goggomobil and many other vehicles.

 

One advantage of the generator was that it saved having a reverse gear in small cars with two-stroke motors, and the reason for this was very simple: two-stroke motors can run backwards if they are started in the opposite direction and this could be achieved simply by reversing the polarity of the starter motor. The DynaStarter is thus an interesting little piece of history that should be preserved.

[lanciamatt]

I've done a hpi for you, that chassis number comes back as a ERF truck. Is there any more numbers?

[egg]

I've done a hpi for you, that chassis number comes back as a ERF truck. Is there any more numbers?

Nothing I'm aware of at the mo, thanks for taking the time. If it changes will let you know!

 

I wonder what Wobbler/Zels chassis numbers look like?

[LightBulbFun]

Hah sure your not me?

 

any "normal" person would prolly be trying to see if the engine is good fettle, but not us, first we fix one of the lights!

 

then maybe fix the windscreen wiper for Dollywobbler 

 

 

I've done a hpi for you, that chassis number comes back as a ERF truck. Is there any more numbers?

 

reminds me the issue ageing wheels had with his trabant how its short VIN number came back as a partial match for a stolen modern of some kind IIRC

 

 

 

Nothing I'm aware of at the mo, thanks for taking the time. If it changes will let you know!

I wonder what Wobbler/Zels chassis numbers look like?

 

the Chassis number on the vin plate inside the cabin on most Model 70s iv seen is even shorter then yours (a letter and 3 numbers)

 

it would be interesting to know if the chassis number listing on the V5 for a model 70 follows that same format or not....