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[R Lutz]

7 hours ago, LightBulbFun said:

but how am I to do a complete loop of the M25 without crossing it tho?  (it really does bother my OCD as they say, that because of that crossing the M25 is not actually a completely circular motorway....)

When are you planning on doing the loop of the M25?

[lesapandre]

11 hours ago, LightBulbFun said:

but how am I to do a complete loop of the M25 without crossing it tho?  (it really does bother my OCD as they say, that because of that crossing the M25 is not actually a completely circular motorway....)

You could detour into Woolwich and get the ferry over...and back out again. Safer with an older car - the Dartford Crossing approach can get very congested and the bridge is subject to sidewinds etc. 

The ferry is much kinder to an older vehicle...

[chadders]

4 hours ago, R Lutz said:

When are you planning on doing the loop of the M25?

I'm confused as well.

I thought that it was in Scotland and the plan was, initially, to get it home then maybe go to the lightbulb conference.

So the first stage is for it to go to London.

Maybe I've missed something important in all the lengthy discussions about Historic statuses?

[lesapandre]

I think @LightBulbFun is resident in London like me - hence the M25 references.  The '25  - just have to choose times carefully and avoid any roadworks.

[DVee8]

@OhNoWhatHaveIDone,  where in the North East are you? 

[R Lutz]

7 hours ago, chadders said:

I'm confused as well.

I thought that it was in Scotland and the plan was, initially, to get it home then maybe go to the lightbulb conference.

So the first stage is for it to go to London.

Maybe I've missed something important in all the lengthy discussions about Historic statuses?

Ah, so it's being driven down from Scotland? WHEN?

[Jazoli]

42 minutes ago, R Lutz said:

Ah, so it's being driven down from Scotland? WHEN?

That's a proper road trip, will give you plenty of time to acclimatise to it @LightBulbFun

[Christine]

Hire a van like Ian did all those years ago . Go with Zel and cram in the vintage  generator at the same time . There was a T4  lwb van called a Razorback , that sunk down to ground level..that would be great 

[R Lutz]

Just drive it. Make a road trip of it. 

[D.E]

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/405204543690?itmmeta=01J6SMBDWHPTFKQ579BWZ3S8XK&hash=item5e5812a8ca:g:M5cAAOSw-g1m1aK8&itmprp=enc%3AAQAJAAAAwIGlUAWZBx1gbu%2FRwYCIK9wzWArBeV3W%2FEzLdKznEGpCEDd%2FXihHXcDoM--mQlXpUpHj0hUwQ0wLUES0tRA6vlxap845M%2B2aFx%2B7s%2Be90Vi%2B7E9G1KfBZS%2Bj40t1dWUTFvN3aDFeQmnyBH%2BRKNOPDAvmUtRQTF6cnmZOY6aNSg9lC%2FQr%2BTkwcdDJPOA70KcAXVCPGGpL9FLbp6Nl3lRaCbpzXSF2CArkmIppG2qdKyS9vlZc9ZR3J5SnlxjuxclWpw%3D%3D|tkp%3ABk9SR6zerbS2ZA

[LightBulbFun]

21 minutes ago, D.E said:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/405204543690?itmmeta=01J6SMBDWHPTFKQ579BWZ3S8XK&hash=item5e5812a8ca:g:M5cAAOSw-g1m1aK8&itmprp=enc%3AAQAJAAAAwIGlUAWZBx1gbu%2FRwYCIK9wzWArBeV3W%2FEzLdKznEGpCEDd%2FXihHXcDoM--mQlXpUpHj0hUwQ0wLUES0tRA6vlxap845M%2B2aFx%2B7s%2Be90Vi%2B7E9G1KfBZS%2Bj40t1dWUTFvN3aDFeQmnyBH%2BRKNOPDAvmUtRQTF6cnmZOY6aNSg9lC%2FQr%2BTkwcdDJPOA70KcAXVCPGGpL9FLbp6Nl3lRaCbpzXSF2CArkmIppG2qdKyS9vlZc9ZR3J5SnlxjuxclWpw%3D%3D|tkp%3ABk9SR6zerbS2ZA

ahh GSU946, that was for sale last year also  

On 06/06/2023 at 01:03, LightBulbFun said:

anyone for a Nelco Solocar? (theres been a few crop up in recent times LOL) GSU946 https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/275888493023

price feels a bit high given it needs new traction batteries, but it is in good shape otherwise ill give it that

(on an age related registration number but because its a re-registered Jobby not plate robbery thankfully)

 

the fact they have tried to brass it up bemuses me! but im glad to see its paperwork has not been lost and it did get a fresh set of batteries in the end!

 

hopefully someone will eventually get it and reunite it with its registration mark it missed the 1983 cut off and was registered in 1987 when it was *extremely* hard to reclaim an original number, but these days we have the V765 scheme so it should be doable

[lesapandre]

"brass it up" 😂😂😂😂

[Christine]

Offcuts of  decking and mdf    jammed between the batteries ?   Period   feature !  

 

[LightBulbFun]

35 minutes ago, Christine said:

Offcuts of  decking and mdf    jammed between the batteries ?   Period   feature !  

sadly many of these Electric invalid carriages end up very hacked about, I mean people can barely work the basic Lucas electrics in something like a Mini, let alone  electrics in an *electric* vehicle, so you see some awful bodge jobs

 

speaking of Carriages doing the rounds I see FFB550 is back up for sale, another one that I wonder if it will ever find a foever home or is it doomed to just keep circling about! this is one I am a bit worried about, since it does by massive stroke of luck still have its original buff logbook, which is the only thing that can get it road-registered, but sadly none of the owners so far have got that done, so I am really hoping no one loses that buff logbook!

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/315705400713

[plasticvandan]

At £4000,I don't think they are likely to loose it.

[chadders]

Given the common range anxiety with modern EVs what would be the range of one of these compared to yours?

I assume even yours would need a fair few fill ups being driven back from Scotland.

[LightBulbFun]

31 minutes ago, chadders said:

Given the common range anxiety with modern EVs what would be the range of one of these compared to yours?

I assume even yours would need a fair few fill ups being driven back from Scotland.

about 40 miles is generally what most electric carriages can do on a charge, a Model 70 has a 20 gallon tank and will do about 40-50Mpg on a run, giving a range of about 180-200 miles (data based on real world reports from Dollywobbler n so forth ) 

 

speaking of range a week ago or so ,Stuart found this fairly locally to him and just had to scoop it up, its a 1929 Argson Electric, quite significant a find, since very few *original*  Argson like this exist, (this pre-dates from when Stanley Engineering Co bought out the Argson Engineering Company)

the 1927 brochure for this machine type from Argson claims a range of 65-70 miles! which quite impressive, thats better then some of the modern EV's that @Kiltox play with, admittedly the Argson with a given top speed of 9 Mph means  aerodynamical drag is not a factor to worry about  

and whats all the more impressive, is I am told that this Argson, still works some nearly 100 years later and laid up for who knows how long, fired right into life once Stuart put a battery onto it

[lesapandre]

A 20 gallon fuel tank is large indeed for the era - is that a typo? A classic Mini is about 7.5G? 20 litres wd be 5.2 gallons which sounds more correct?

That would be 1000 miles between fills otherwise 😉

[plasticvandan]

8 minutes ago, LightBulbFun said:

about 40 miles is generally what most electric carriages can do on a charge, a Model 70 has a 20 gallon tank and will do about 40-50Mpg on a run, giving a range of about 180-200 miles (data based on real world reports from Dollywobbler n so forth ) 

 

speaking of range a week ago or so ,Stuart found this fairly locally to him and just had to scoop it up, its a 1929 Argson Electric, quite significant a find, since very few *original*  Argson like this exist, (this pre-dates from when Stanley Engineering Co bought out the Argson Engineering Company)

the 1927 brochure for this machine type from Argson claims a range of 65-70 miles! which quite impressive, thats better then some of the modern EV's that @Kiltox play with, admittedly the Argson with a given top speed of 9 Mph means  aerodynamical drag is not a factor to worry about  

and whats all the more impressive, is I am told that this Argson, still works some nearly 100 years later and laid up for who knows how long, fired right into life once Stuart put a battery onto it

I found it,and forwarded it to Alan to send to him,didn't even get a thankyou.

[plasticvandan]

2 minutes ago, lesapandre said:

A 20 gallon fuel tank is large indeed for the era. A classic Mini is about 7.5G?

Suspect means litres

[LightBulbFun]

3 minutes ago, lesapandre said:

A 20 gallon fuel tank is large indeed for the era - is that a typo? A classic Mini is about 7.5G?

That would be 1000 miles between fills 😉

LOL I meant 20L, 5 gallons  

tho I have often wondered given the front end is mostly empty space if you could put a 2nd tank on the opposite side, twin tank, like a Jaaag LOL might have to be a bit smaller to clear the parallelogram suspension arm but I do wonder...

[BorniteIdentity]

Taxation class completely academic until you actually have it back. Apologies if I’ve missed something - but if it’s all ready, it’s time to get it home. 

[brummiejon]

2 hours ago, Christine said:

Offcuts of  decking and mdf    jammed between the batteries ?   Period   feature !  

 

The main difficulty I had with my Argson was finding modern batteries that fit in the spaces... I've had to do a bit of jiggling about to fit mine. However, everything is reversible. When it comes to the wiring, it's pretty dangerous using the original cloth covered wiring, a short will very quickly turn into a fire. Some parts of my wiring loom had melted together sometime in the past..

[LightBulbFun]

43 minutes ago, brummiejon said:

The main difficulty I had with my Argson was finding modern batteries that fit in the spaces... I've had to do a bit of jiggling about to fit mine. However, everything is reversible. When it comes to the wiring, it's pretty dangerous using the original cloth covered wiring, a short will very quickly turn into a fire. Some parts of my wiring loom had melted together sometime in the past..

Yeah I did make sure to warn Stuart about that, to, if nothing else, go over the wiring with a critical eye!

[Jazoli]

1 hour ago, LightBulbFun said:

about 40 miles is generally what most electric carriages can do on a charge, a Model 70 has a 20 gallon tank and will do about 40-50Mpg on a run, giving a range of about 180-200 miles (data based on real world reports from Dollywobbler n so forth ) 

Are you sure a Model 70 has a 20 gallon tank, that’s bigger than my Passat at 90 litres, you’d get a theoretical 1000 miles out of it 😂

20 litres is more like it so you’d probably need 2 fuel stops to be safe, have you booked your flight to collect it yet?

[R Lutz]

1 hour ago, LightBulbFun said:

Model 70 has a 20 gallon tank and will do about 40-50Mpg on a run, giving a range of about 180-200 miles (data based on real world reports from Dollywobbler n so forth 

What MPG were you getting from this, er, classic vehicle?

[lesapandre]

At 407kg kerb weight I'd say 50mpg is achievable on a run with care?

Just came across this great brochure - I expect it's well known. 56 control variations mentioned.

[LightBulbFun]

19 minutes ago, lesapandre said:

At 407kg kerb weight I'd say 50mpg is achievable on a run with care?

Just came across this great brochure - I expect it's well known. 56 control variations mentioned.

indeed I know the brochure well  theres a companion spec sheet that goes with it, but its pretty evident that that the Data is just lifted from the Workshop manual, as by the time the above was produced a Model 70 weighed 413Kg according to data given on Logbooks (REV's 1985 LogBook gives her weight as 413.2Kg to be exact down to the decimal point!)

I still would like to get a few different Model 70's and other types of carriages on a set of scales and see what they *actually * weigh, because even for Mark A Model 70's their Logbooks often state 410Kg, but I think thats just a rounding up from 8 cwt that would of been stated on their buff logbooks (but I have never actually seen a buff logbook for a Model 70 sadly)

Harry in the youtube channel "Harry's Garage" has a nifty device that has scales under each wheel, so you can figure out stuff like weight distribution as well, which would be quite fun to know  

[lesapandre]

Be interesting to see a 'back-to-back' test of the various types too - like the posh mag's do when they compare 70's supercars and the like.

[Mr Pastry]

9 minutes ago, lesapandre said:

Be interesting to see a 'back-to-back' test of the various types too - like the posh mag's do when they compare 70's supercars and the like.

Motoring Which? did so at least once, in about 1967 iirc.  Can't remember the details, I don't think they were very impressed.  But then, they seldom were.