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Invacar Model 70 Acquired! and general ramble thread, index on page 1, Phase 2: finding a suitable driving school/instructor getting lessons and a licence! 23rd lesson had! theory test taken!

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14 minutes ago, busmansholiday said:

Those sand bags are to stop damage BUT, somewhere in BR's archives will be a loading and rigging (where to strap it to) diagram showing how an Invacar should be tied down to the flat wagon to stop it moving. Things like that happened for a reason, the Beighton train accident in 1942 being a point. 

 

very interesting, are those diagrams/archives available to the public? it would be interesting to see how/if it varied from model to model etc and just how it was done :) 

imagine finding a load of Invacars in a field etc somewhere and having them transported by train, meanwhile some poor OAP sitting at a rail crossing sees a train load of invacars go past and thinks he has ended up back in 1971 again! :mrgreen:

(what happened in that train accident? I did a quick google/wikipedia search and could not find anything?)

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28 minutes ago, LightBulbFun said:

very interesting, are those diagrams/archives available to the public? it would be interesting to see how/if it varied from model to model etc and just how it was done :) 

imagine finding a load of Invacars in a field etc somewhere and having them transported by train, meanwhile some poor OAP sitting at a rail crossing sees a train load of invacars go past and thinks he has ended up back in 1971 again! :mrgreen:

(what happened in that train accident? I did a quick google/wikipedia search and could not find anything?)

The Beighton accident was this one:
http://www.railwaysarchive.co.uk/documents/MoT_Beighton1942.pdf

Here is the Railways Archive and how to get started making use of it:
http://www.railwaysarchive.co.uk/gettingstarted.php

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14 minutes ago, Mrs6C said:

Something else you might find interesting, if you haven't see it already:
https://inmatesofwillard.com/2013/11/13/1948-the-invacar/

Ivan the Invacar! :-)
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q="ivan+the+invacar"

aye indeed iv seen those :)

XGX224 is AFAIK, the only Invacar exported to the US when new

from what I understand it was sent over there to test the market for them in the US but there was little interest

I believe XGX224 is/was a temporary export plate

funnily enough PWC801 survives and is with ian hellings also in the US, and I say funnily enough, because PWC801 is 1 chassis number behind from XGX224, what are the chances of that :) 

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Yay found an earlier Mk14 that shows up on the DVLA which means I can pull its chassis number and finally see what a Mk14's chassis number looks like :) 

if the reg looks somewhat familiar this is probably why :) (im also pretty sure the Mk14 pictured on the wagon is UPC797F)

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sadly of the 2-3 known surviving Mk14's none have any known identifying marks, so until now I dont think anyone knew what a Mk14 chassis number looks like 

 

its interesting to note that the chassis number starts with "FG"

I wonder it stands for Fibreglass? as in for Fibreglass AC Acedes (since before the Mk14 was the Mk12 which was made out of aluminium)

after that from WPG607G/WPK129G I know theres a chassis block that starts with TA for the Mk14As

then the earlier Mk15's start with PFS and the later Mk15s start with OHM

I wonder if "PFS" stands for parallelogram front suspension as that was the major change with the Mk15

the question then being is what major(ish) change would abbreviate to TA and OHM? if the chassis number letters do stand for a major change that happened

 

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When running through looking for the late Mk12 blocks and I found NNO-J the reg block felt awfully familiar to me but I could not put my finger on it

until I came across this photo again in my archives :) 

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and for those wondering the 2 Unknown Mk12s that I was hoping to identify with all that block finding

are if my maths is correct NPU156J and MPU532J :) sadly neither show up on the DVLA but that's not the end of the world!

since I got the "HPI" tool I was able to run all the Mk12s I found and then it was just simple maths to figure out the reg of the 2 mk12s I knew the chassis numbers of but not the regs of :) 

(and indeed it looks LWC101J-LWC200J and MVW301J-MVW400J where Mk12 blocks just where sadly none show up on the DVLA anymore)

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Do  you have the rest of the article from Motor? I gather it ran to six-pages and came from the 17-Aug-74 edition. Possibly there is a copy of the whole thing in the RUMCar archive, if you have access to that?

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1 minute ago, Mrs6C said:

Do  you have the rest of the article from Motor? I gather it ran to six-pages and came from the 17-Aug-74 edition. Possibly there is a copy of the whole thing in the RUMCar archive, if you have access to that?

from page 48 of this thread :) (I really should scan it in proper one of these days)

On 5/17/2019 at 5:40 PM, LightBulbFun said:

so heres the invacar section from the magazine, I hope its all legible etc :) it was a very interesting read, I cant say I have seen a Model 70 with that type of steering wheel setup before, all the ones I have seen use a much larger steering wheel with ribs in it, also 4! pedals... (I do know of 1 other Model 70 with a similar style slide along addition to the main seat tho)

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4 minutes ago, Mrs6C said:

Great! Thanks! :-)

Np :) 

 

also in case you or anyone else is not aware once ya click on an image, you can click on it again to open it on its own in its own window where you can click on it to then zoom in to read things easier :) 

like such

click once ya get this

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click on it again

it opens in a new tab like so

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then you click on an area you want to zoom in on like so, which displays the image at full rez, and zooms in to the area ya clicked on, and then you can scroll up and down from there

 

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24 minutes ago, overrun said:

What is the HPI site you are using now?

Sounds handy.

 

I know there was a thread on here before, where we shared these sites, but the one you were put onto sounds new to me.

its more a commercial level tool, and you have to plead your case to them, especially for VIN number access, as that can be used for bad things!

they say an actual human reads the messages, (tho im not sure how true that is given how relatively quickly I got access)  I used the grounds of invalid vehicle research, which is true :) 

and its cost money more than id like to admit! especially as the minimum top amount is £50+10 taxes

and you would think ah at 15 pence a look up that £50 of credit would last you a while well, you do 777*15 pence and you can see how thats not the case!  thats how many successful VRM/VIN look up results iv had, thankfully the unsuccessful ones dont cost me anything because that number is at 1397!

(side note its not run by the HPI guys, but one of the other guys that does the same sort of thing! and currently the way I have it setup, it does not do the whole insurance side of things, Im just interested in the DVLA data results :) )

 

on the plus side as mentioned previously, many holes and gaps and things have been figured out thanks to it :) 

so I was very excited to get access to it and i'm still very happy about it despite the cost!

 

like for example it enabled me to find all the NI Model 70's, the private Model 70s and figure out the whole GEV-N/GPU-N flustercluck, turns out that mess extends all the way to the TVW-N block as well, it looks like a lot of the GEV-N cars where meant to be TVW-N cars, that just registered to late so where forced to be GEV-N cars because of the new centralisation stuff, and the TVW-N reg it was supposed to be does not turn anything up on the DVLA as sort of expected since it was never issued)

(I imagine when things suddenly jumped to Gxx-N when everything centralised Invacar was forced to give up its reserved TVW-N range)
 

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Fair enough if you don't wanna share, mate.

Also, a lot (most) on here know much more about vehicles/DVLA/licencing etc than you seem to realise. Invacar stuff aside, it may be new to you, but usually isn't to the rest of us.

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30 minutes ago, overrun said:

Fair enough if you don't wanna share, mate.

Also, a lot (most) on here know much more about vehicles/DVLA/licencing etc than you seem to realise. Invacar stuff aside, it may be new to you, but usually isn't to the rest of us.

im a little bit worried about sharing it, for fear of someone doing something nefarious with it

like I said its not free either, and requires you to jump through hoops and expenses to use it

so its not much good for the end user, unless your willing to pay £50+ just to look up 1 vehicle!

 

 

im not sure what you mean with the second line? I never claimed that people dont know about vehicles/DVLA/licencing? 

(in fact its thanks to @busmansholiday and @quicksilver knowledge that I figured out how to find/hunt for AC/Invacar invalid vehicle registration blocks :) )  

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nothing like a surprise delivery :) 

had it arrive this morning, only posting about now iv confirmed who they are from :) (this was a complete surprise to me! I wasn't told these were coming or anything)  but probably to the surprise of no one and as I strongly suspected :) many thanks to stuart for sending me these photo copies that he managed to unearth :) 

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picture quality still is not fantastic, but its a good couple less xerox cycles then on the virtual gaz website so I can make out some more details :)

plus the drawings on the front are very cute :) (bonus points if you can name all the invalid vehicles drawn :) )

it also made for a very interesting read as there is some text in there

I can actually make out the registration number somewhat of the Prototype Model 70 from 1967, PPL-E, stuart thinks PPL185E (from an even clearer photo he has, that one is for the big book :) )

which funnily enough predates what we suspect is the first Model 67, RPA451E (or at least we dont know of any Mk14s older then RPA451E)

weird to think of a Model 70 older then the Model 67!

its also interesting to note said Prototype Model 70 is on 10 inch mini wheels im pretty sure! (but of the style that predate the ones on TPA REV Dolly etc)

(although sadly as previously mentioned I dont know the gestation of the Model 67 so i dont know how many Proto-67s there where etc)

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1 hour ago, Eyersey1234 said:

Talking about Motability I've just seen an advert on TV for them, I didn't realise they put adverts out. 

cant say much on that, dont have a TV here!

(nor do I follow motability closely, tho if I can get onto PIP It will be an avenue ill look into)

 

speaking of motability and that stuff its interesting to note that Both REV451R and UTW339R are from after July 1976 when they started closing the invalid vehicle service to new applicants

so I wonder if thats the reason those 2 at least where bought? ie their first owners needed the adaptability of the Model 70, but where suddenly no longer eligible for one

so went out and bought one new privately?

stuart did wonder if the sudden increase from Number 9 (LRL389P) in march 1976 to number 23 (REV451R) in November 1976 was from people panic buying on the announcement of closure, but I wonder if it was more buying because they had no choice sort of thing?

granted that does not explain why none of the 12 in between don't show up on my searches!

also even for panic/no choice buying, thats quite a large jump in such a short amount of time all things considered (between March 1976 and November 1976 the number went up by 12)

 

 

speaking of cars, had my 8th driving lesson today :) 

it went well :) was more of the same as per last lesson, but this time once we got to the destination we kept moving through the main roads etc so it was 2 hours of properly mingling with London traffic through stratford into bow and then home which was fun and nerve wrecking! LOL 

the driving instructor says im doing well for those wondering how he thinks im progressing, he says the main "bad" thing is I get a bit too close to cars that are parked on the road side, I think my issue there is im worried about in trying to stay away from the parked cars (the whole stay 1 meter away from the kerb/parked cars thing) that il lend up too wide and going/impeding the flow of oncoming traffic

but yeah otherwise went well, had the "fun" of London stop start traffic, and crawling along at 6Mph wondering if ill be able to keep rolling or is he going to stop and im going to have to declutch and stop myself! and then it started to rain for good measure LOL

its also interesting, how there's setting off gently, letting the clutch up gently giving it a bit of throttle and moving off slowly, and then there's at a set of traffic lights, where its once the lights go green it feels like you have to "Go Go Go!" so you have to while still letting up on/slipping the clutch, accelerate at the same time which is interesting!

and we also did more "high speed" 50Mph driving on the A106/A12 and I caught myself saying "weee!" as I went round a fairly tight bend at "speed" (25mph or so! LOL) or so and felt G Forces! LOL not entirely sure if thats a good or a bad thing that I went "weee" LOL does mean im enjoying myself :) 

have to say tho trying to change lanes/merge is rather "interesting"! having to check your mirrors behind you make sure everything is clear so you dont side swipe someone or cut someone up, all while also trying to look forward and keep an eye on traffic ahead, all at 40-50Mph!

one interesting thing, is apparently these days one of the things they test you on during the driving test, is you have to follow a satnav for about 20 minutes or so, so we practiced that as well during this lesson :) 

we also during the fast parts went up and down some hills, its interesting just how quickly you can gain and lose speed on inclines or declines that dont look like much, one moment your doing 45Mph, the next you're doing 35Mph and having to give it some more welly! LOL

 

anywho next lesson is on tuesday :) (and for those wondering I have been revising for the theory side of things dont worry!)

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Reminds me of my first lesson back in 1973 in a Hillman Hunter ( or was it an Avenger), drove both anyway.

"Can you tell me the speed limit on this bit of road?", the instructor asked me.

"30".

"So why are we doing 40?".

Mind you, I had driven my dad's Mk III Corrina on private property before being 17, not to mention a Park Royal bodied Leyland PD2 around an old airfield at 15!!!!

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On the checking mirrors bit, not sure if you get taught these days to take a quick look round over your shoulder as well before you move onto the main carriageway from the sliproad or change lanes, so that you can chcek for cars immediately to your side and in your mirror blind spot? I think motorcyclists might refer to it as 'the Lifesaver'... certainly I would recommend it as a practice when you get your licence, if not before...

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39 minutes ago, Mrs6C said:

On the checking mirrors bit, not sure if you get taught these days to take a quick look round over your shoulder as well before you move onto the main carriageway from the sliproad or change lanes, so that you can chcek for cars immediately to your side and in your mirror blind spot? I think motorcyclists might refer to it as 'the Lifesaver'... certainly I would recommend it as a practice when you get your licence, if not before...

cant actually recall if he has or has not brought it up, but ill keep it in mind for next time at any rate :) 

good bit of advice!

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On ‎11‎/‎14‎/‎2019 at 7:31 PM, overrun said:

Fair enough if you don't wanna share, mate.

Also, a lot (most) on here know much more about vehicles/DVLA/licencing etc than you seem to realise. Invacar stuff aside, it may be new to you, but usually isn't to the rest of us.

 

I don't know much about Invacars or the history behind Invalid carriages etc,  so I for one rather enjoy visiting this thread & reading LBF's updates ;-)

It's funny how it's a vehicle that in my youth I might have sneered at (in my ignorance) but now I think is charming. I also admire the thinking behind the vehicles & the drive to help invalids remain mobile.

 

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2 hours ago, ETCHY said:

 

I don't know much about Invacars or the history behind Invalid carriages etc,  so I for one rather enjoy visiting this thread & reading LBF's updates ;-)

 

I didn't know much about Invacars or the history of invalid carriages either. Thank you LBF your thread is very interesting. 

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4 hours ago, ETCHY said:

 

I don't know much about Invacars or the history behind Invalid carriages etc,  so I for one rather enjoy visiting this thread & reading LBF's updates ;-)

It's funny how it's a vehicle that in my youth I might have sneered at (in my ignorance) but now I think is charming. I also admire the thinking behind the vehicles & the drive to help invalids remain mobile.

 

 

1 hour ago, Eyersey1234 said:

I didn't know much about Invacars or the history of invalid carriages either. Thank you LBF your thread is very interesting. 

happy to hear that people are continuing to find the thread enjoyable and it makes me very happy that iv been able to help educate people on the subject :) 

 

 

4 hours ago, ETCHY said:

I also admire the thinking behind the vehicles & the drive to help invalids remain mobile.

you know its interesting to note 

that one of my worries over time etc has been how will driving affect my back pain

as in just the physical aspects of operating pedals etc

one of the major worries is have is that over a period of time unless I can move my legs/stretch slightly and reposition them, things can get quite painful for me, which in a car with foot pedals you cant do, you cant move the foot pedals with your feet!

and if driving over a long time is gets to painful for me then thats not very good!

im still assessing just how bad that is for me, driving is currently quite painful for me, but that may also be down to the fact i still get quite tense when driving, which in itself causes me a lot of pain just on its own regardless of what my legs can and cant do, plus there's the aspect of perhaps the car im learning to drive in is just uncomfortable for my body, so the jury is still out on all that

its also one of the reasons im eager to get out on the road on some other cars, is to figure out are all regular cars this painful for me to drive or is it just this Pug 308 im learning to drive in!

 

but thankfully! I dont have that problem in REV because she has no foot pedals, shes an Invacar! my feet/legs are free to find their natural rest/most comfortable position :) 

id still own REV even if I was not disabled, because of the hobby/enthusiasm :) (just like how I want a Routemaster even tho I dont work for London Transport!) 

but its fun to note how she is (or will be once im on the road with her!) being used for what she was built for to help a disabled person mobilise once more, in this case in less pain then what otherwise might be experienced a normal car :) 

it will be interesting to see how things are once im on the open road with her, but initial results from running around the FoD in her is good :) (and most road surfaces will probably be smoother then the FoD!)

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18 hours ago, LightBulbFun said:

cant actually recall if he has or has not brought it up, but ill keep it in mind for next time at any rate :) 

good bit of advice!

Good habit to get into that I can't see them penalising you for.

Especially bearing in mind how awful the mirrors on the Invacar are... you'll spend a lot of time looking backwards.

It's a common comment when learning to drive a bus that you do so many mirror checks so often in them that you spend more time looking backwards than forwards...and it really feels that way!

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6 minutes ago, Zelandeth said:

Good habit to get into that I can't see them penalising you for.

Especially bearing in mind how awful the mirrors on the Invacar are... you'll spend a lot of time looking backwards.

It's a common comment when learning to drive a bus that you do so many mirror checks so often in them that you spend more time looking backwards than forwards...and it really feels that way!

haha yeah :) (although I do have the "luxury" of 2! wing mirrors on REV :) )

thats one of things im still getting used to when pulling out of junctions etc

is making sure im looking left and right and not looking forward, as I pull out etc

your brain is screaming at you to pay attention to what's ahead of you as you move towards it not whats to the left and right of you! (especially as I don't want to accidentally end up wondering left or right, or what if an obstruction pops up suddenly ahread)

ah fun days!

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just updated the survivors list 

doing a quick check if any have become taxed/MOTed or not etc

updated OPH868R obviously since she is now taxed :) and updated TWC725K since she is now SORN

and also updated WOO848S, as I noticed a few days ago that she had a keeper change on the 1st of the 7th 2019, and is now taxed :) (she had previously been untaxed since 2013 or so)

sadly I dont know who she changed hands to.

(one of these days I should look into one of those apps or what have you that notify you if a vehicles Tax/MOT status changes)

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Just had a look on How Many Left, according to them at the end of 1994 there were 673 licenced, this fell to 50 at the end of 2003, 14 by the end of 2006 and has risen to 47 licenced plus 11 on SORN by the middle of 2019. How does this compare to your records LightBulbFun? 

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1 hour ago, Eyersey1234 said:

Apologies if this has already been answered but how many Model 70s survive LBF? 

I personally have about 43 Model 70's documented in my survivors list (page 26 :)

Stuart says he has about 80, although his list is somewhat out of date, since technically its the ICRs survivors list, and you know how well* the ICR have been doing...

we think between us that there are about 100 surviving Model 70's in total with about 20-15 (if you count the recent 4) yet to be discovered/made known

I update my list with a new vehicle once I have a good picture of it and some details of it

or if I dont have any details, ill take a recently taken photo as proof of survival and update my list with that

I also will only update the list once I have figured out the cars registration number/ID if not shown in said picture (hence why Q202LDV is not on the list for example even tho I know very much that one survives)

sadly out of that 80 or so, its thought only about 5-10 are actually on the road/used with any sort of regularity, most are just parked up in garages/collections and are just there as a curio...

 

1 hour ago, Eyersey1234 said:

Just had a look on How Many Left, according to them at the end of 1994 there were 673 licenced, this fell to 50 at the end of 2003, 14 by the end of 2006 and has risen to 47 licenced plus 11 on SORN by the middle of 2019. How does this compare to your records LightBulbFun? 

im curious what caused the 20 car jump between Q2 2014 and Q3 2014!

it really is a shame they dont include registration numbers!

I am surprised the number is as high as it is, as out of the 43 AC and Invacar Model 70's I have documented only 11 are licenced

keep in mind "INVACAR" will also include all the older Invacars Pre Model 70 too granted I cant imagine there are many of those still running around sadly

if you want to see a sad one, look up tippen delta, just 4 licenced IIRC...

AC (ELECTRIC) is how you find all the AC Model 70's but keep in mind you will also be getting Cobras and 3000MEs etc!

 

its also fun to note this websites theres only 14 left https://www.carlogbook.co.uk/invacar/

so yeah id take these websites with a pinch of salt!

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 theres also the interesting line of

"survives"

and 

"exists"

for example a Lot of the field find cars are not on my list

as I know they exist, but I don't know if they will survive etc, I don't know what their future holds given how badly damaged some are

its also why KPL139P is not on that list for example

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