AS Communal MK4&5 Mondeo Thread

[Out Run]

Cheap, yeah. But fuck saddling yourself with a troublesome 1.8 TDCi. 2.0 or 2.2 only, IMO.

Those mega early ones aren’t keyless, no Convers cluster etc. It’s better to get a year newer. Much better, IMO.

[sierraman]

20 minutes ago, Out Run said:

Cheap, yeah. But fuck saddling yourself with a troublesome 1.8 TDCi. 2.0 or 2.2 only, IMO.

Those mega early ones aren’t keyless, no Convers cluster etc. It’s better to get a year newer. Much better, IMO.

I wouldn’t whittle about what engines in it for £500. Run it while the test is out (assuming the trailing arms are in one piece) and break it you’d see more than that back. At that money I’d play wet belt roulette, whichever goes first the belt or the DMF. 

[Out Run]

45 minutes ago, sierraman said:

I wouldn’t whittle about what engines in it for £500. Run it while the test is out (assuming the trailing arms are in one piece) and break it you’d see more than that back. At that money I’d play wet belt roulette, whichever goes first the belt or the DMF. 

You could. But I wouldn’t bother with it in the first place is what I am saying.

[sierraman]

Depends what you are after, if it’s a cheap runner you can’t go wrong. Some really tidy Mk3 diesels knocking about at less than a grand. 

[Out Run]

8 minutes ago, sierraman said:

Depends what you are after, if it’s a cheap runner you can’t go wrong. Some really tidy Mk3 diesels knocking about at less than a grand. 

It is a nice colour. ?

[sierraman]

And it looks like a base. 

[Tayne]

Mondeo purchasing fail today.

Got up early and drove down to see this.

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/202007261720840?postcode=ab253xs&advertising-location=at_cars&sort=distance&body-type=Estate&onesearchad=New&onesearchad=Nearly New&onesearchad=Used&price-to=3500&radius=200&page=3&modal=photos

Looks good in the pictures doesn't it?

It was actually very stone chipped, badly repaired after a front end accident (wings mis-aligned, plastic covers missing from the engine bay), dented on the roof, the sills and arches were rusty and the underside at the rear was very crusty.

The "extensive service history" that had been mentioned on the phone was actually 5 stamps in a book, no receipts as garages do servicing for free, their differing locations made me question the "one owner" claim in the ad. It was actually 4.

 

I was car with @Springer and thanks to his choices we ended up down the road from this.

https://www.gumtree.com/p/ford/ford-mondeo-2.0-tdci-zetec-5dr-nice-big-estate-will-come-with-a-full-years-mot-grey-2009/1378259432

Its actually a non-runner and only photographed from the front as the rear is rather damaged.

 

On the way home, I saw this.

https://www.gumtree.com/p/ford/ford-mondeo-titanium-x-/1380332540

No, its not just the light it really was that badly painted.

The mot history flagged up the brakes and, upon checking, the discs were rotten. Not quite as rotten as the underside.

But about as rotten as the sills.

And slightly less rotten than the doors.

It had two chinese death rings one the front, the nearside missing a very, very large chunk. Possibly lost in one of the many kerbing incidents that had fucked the front wheels.

 

Springer faired better, he bought a car today.

[wuvvum]

I checked the oil on mine today and the level has gone up noticeably in the last few weeks - from around 1/3 of the way up the dipstick to 1/2 way.  I'll keep monitoring it, but if it continues to rise that would suggest that I have a dodgy injector leaking diesel into the sump (although there's no other signs of that).  If this does turn out to be the case, how do I identify the guilty injector in the absence of a fault code?

[Out Run]

Forscan? If it’s not obviously wet.

[wuvvum]

Externally they're all dry as a bone.  Would Forscan pick it up even with no fault code?  My Delphi software can't find a problem.

[Out Run]

5 minutes ago, wuvvum said:

Externally they're all dry as a bone.  Would Forscan pick it up even with no fault code?  My Delphi software can't find a problem.

I’d give it a shot, given it’s free and then all you need is an MS/HS modified ELM327 interface job.

Forscan is pretty detailed and allows stuff like DPF forced regen and the like, live monitoring etc.

Worth a shot.

[wuvvum]

I bought some software years ago called Formidable which came with an interface doobery - would that work for Forscan as well?

[sierraman]

10 hours ago, wuvvum said:

I checked the oil on mine today and the level has gone up noticeably in the last few weeks - from around 1/3 of the way up the dipstick to 1/2 way.  I'll keep monitoring it, but if it continues to rise that would suggest that I have a dodgy injector leaking diesel into the sump (although there's no other signs of that).  If this does turn out to be the case, how do I identify the guilty injector in the absence of a fault code?

Leak off test. 

[rantingYoof]

Mondeo purchasing fail today.
Got up early and drove down to see this.
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/202007261720840?postcode=ab253xs&advertising-location=at_cars&sort=distance&body-type=Estate&onesearchad=New&onesearchad=Nearly New&onesearchad=Used&price-to=3500&radius=200&page=3&modal=photos
Looks good in the pictures doesn't it?
It was actually very stone chipped, badly repaired after a front end accident (wings mis-aligned, plastic covers missing from the engine bay), dented on the roof, the sills and arches were rusty and the underside at the rear was very crusty.
The "extensive service history" that had been mentioned on the phone was actually 5 stamps in a book, no receipts as garages do servicing for free, their differing locations made me question the "one owner" claim in the ad. It was actually 4.
 
I was car with [mention=20825]Springer[/mention] and thanks to his choices we ended up down the road from this.
https://www.gumtree.com/p/ford/ford-mondeo-2.0-tdci-zetec-5dr-nice-big-estate-will-come-with-a-full-years-mot-grey-2009/1378259432
Its actually a non-runner and only photographed from the front as the rear is rather damaged.
 
On the way home, I saw this.
https://www.gumtree.com/p/ford/ford-mondeo-titanium-x-/1380332540
No, its not just the light it really was that badly painted.
The mot history flagged up the brakes and, upon checking, the discs were rotten. Not quite as rotten as the underside.
But about as rotten as the sills.
And slightly less rotten than the doors.
It had two chinese death rings one the front, the nearside missing a very, very large chunk. Possibly lost in one of the many kerbing incidents that had fucked the front wheels.
 
Springer faired better, he bought a car today.

I didn't realise the MK4s rusted so eagerly, although accident damage isn't going to help.

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[wuvvum]

4 hours ago, sierraman said:

Leak off test. 

Don't the leak off pipes go straight back to the fuel tank though?  Would that indicate which injector is pissing too much fuel into the cylinder?  

Also, if there is an injector overfuelling badly enough to put diesel into the sump, how comes the emissions were so low on the MOT?

I know little about diesels and even less about common rail.

Another question - if I do buy it a replacement injector, will it need coding to the car?  I know the TDCI ones do, but I'm not sure about these HDI engines.

[Tayne]

1 hour ago, rantingYoof said:

I didn't realise the MK4s rusted so eagerly, although accident damage isn't going to help.

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I thought they’d be fairly resistant given all the stories of mega-mileage taxis.

I wouldn’t mind seeing photos of the underside rear axle area if anyone has a moment.

I suspect it might be down to the climate up here but I really don’t want to go down to Covidshire to buy a car.

[sierraman]

1 hour ago, wuvvum said:

Don't the leak off pipes go straight back to the fuel tank though?  Would that indicate which injector is pissing too much fuel into the cylinder?  

Also, if there is an injector overfuelling badly enough to put diesel into the sump, how comes the emissions were so low on the MOT?

I know little about diesels and even less about common rail.

Another question - if I do buy it a replacement injector, will it need coding to the car?  I know the TDCI ones do, but I'm not sure about these HDI engines.

You are measuring the difference in the amount per injector it’s feeding back to the tank, the bottles should fill with roughly the same amount. 

[Bren]

The one my dad had had lived in cumbria. Everything was coated in rust and any bolts that needed undoing were difficult to crack.

[Tayne]

Looks like I might be ruling out Mondeos.

Going to try and find one parked up for a look.

[Out Run]

3 hours ago, Tayne said:

I thought they’d be fairly resistant given all the stories of mega-mileage taxis.

I wouldn’t mind seeing photos of the underside rear axle area if anyone has a moment.

I suspect it might be down to the climate up here but I really don’t want to go down to Covidshire to buy a car.

Here’s the underside of my 2012 TXS.

Is there anything in particular you want to see?

[warren t claim]

On 8/1/2020 at 8:18 PM, Tayne said:

Mondeo purchasing fail today.

Got up early and drove down to see this.

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/202007261720840?postcode=ab253xs&advertising-location=at_cars&sort=distance&body-type=Estate&onesearchad=New&onesearchad=Nearly New&onesearchad=Used&price-to=3500&radius=200&page=3&modal=photos

Looks good in the pictures doesn't it?

It was actually very stone chipped, badly repaired after a front end accident (wings mis-aligned, plastic covers missing from the engine bay), dented on the roof, the sills and arches were rusty and the underside at the rear was very crusty.

The "extensive service history" that had been mentioned on the phone was actually 5 stamps in a book, no receipts as garages do servicing for free, their differing locations made me question the "one owner" claim in the ad. It was actually 4.

 

I was car with @Springer and thanks to his choices we ended up down the road from this.

https://www.gumtree.com/p/ford/ford-mondeo-2.0-tdci-zetec-5dr-nice-big-estate-will-come-with-a-full-years-mot-grey-2009/1378259432

Its actually a non-runner and only photographed from the front as the rear is rather damaged.

 

On the way home, I saw this.

https://www.gumtree.com/p/ford/ford-mondeo-titanium-x-/1380332540

No, its not just the light it really was that badly painted.

The mot history flagged up the brakes and, upon checking, the discs were rotten. Not quite as rotten as the underside.

But about as rotten as the sills.

And slightly less rotten than the doors.

It had two chinese death rings one the front, the nearside missing a very, very large chunk. Possibly lost in one of the many kerbing incidents that had fucked the front wheels.

 

Springer faired better, he bought a car today.

The last one is seriously strong money for any Mk4a.  To be honest, I've never come across any Mk4 with any serious rust issues and that's taking into account a couple of mine have been damage repaired. For example, the Panther Black 57 plate 2.0 Zetec I owned was so full of filler it had a GT40 style hump over the drivers head and my first blue 1.8 econetic estate was just one more respray away from being a Granada. Come to think of it, my 09 2.0 Ghia had the front end of a lower spec car after being bodged after a shunt, you could even see the red paint through the grille.

[warren t claim]

8 hours ago, Tayne said:

I thought they’d be fairly resistant given all the stories of mega-mileage taxis.

I wouldn’t mind seeing photos of the underside rear axle area if anyone has a moment.

I suspect it might be down to the climate up here but I really don’t want to go down to Covidshire to buy a car.

Expect plenty of surface corrosion on rear suspension arms but nothing major. One of mine had the rear lower bumper trim missing and when Fat Bob parked behind me he did point out how flaky mine looked but the metal is pretty thick. One thing to remember about taxis is we have pretty strict MOT test, in my area every six months after the car hits six years old so issues are usually nipped in the bud. Most areas of the country have a Kurdistan Kar Wash that does a decent deal for taxi drivers too meaning they do get a thorough wash twice a week or so, my valeters only charge £8 for a pretty comprehensive in and out valet. 

 

Here's a bonus pic of my old 2.0 Ghia. It was still pretty much a Ghia when I had it, only the working class grille fitted to it after a punch on the nose let it down. Sadly it became a lot less Ghia for the next driver over the next couple of years. The DAB radio shorted out causing a small fire meaning that not only did it end up being fitted with a standard radio but also it lost its fake wood dash trim. Even the Ghia drivers seat was replaced with a Zetec chair after the seat runner jammed due to a bolt working lose meaning much seat butchery was required.

[warren t claim]

On 7/31/2020 at 4:04 PM, Out Run said:

Cheap, yeah. But fuck saddling yourself with a troublesome 1.8 TDCi. 2.0 or 2.2 only, IMO.

Those mega early ones aren’t keyless, no Convers cluster etc. It’s better to get a year newer. Much better, IMO.

400,000 miles says that the 1.8 isn't troublesome!

I'm slightly embarrassed to admit this here as I'm Mr Mk4 Mondeo, but I never did have a keyless Mondeo fitted with Convers+. Have I missed out on anything?

[Springer]

Having been down the road  with @Tayne on his fruitless Mondeo hunt..every single one was showing rust bubbles on the rear arches. On the first car it was on the sills too. Shocking!!

 

Ok that second one at 'Bargain Auto's.' was such a raft I wandered in after Tim, saw a huge dent in the front wing and  knew it wouldn't be happening! Didn't even bother looking round it with him. RAFT!!

 

Mind you we saw two F11 Beemers for me. One was pov spec and had a badly scratched rear bumper and 'dubious' shut lines on the front.  The second, a 65 plate, was great inside and out.....apart from the whole front nose cone which appeared to have been repainted by Stevie Wonder,  Same garage had an XF Sportbrake that was as rough as a badgers arse. We're not talking bargain basement stuff here btw. all retail at or around and over a 5 figure sum sof money. Saw a rather tasty  Sportbrake at a high end dealer and went to look at the last Sportbrake...another raft. Had the discussion with  Tim in the car and it was the the warranted. 74k FDSH   64 plate Sportbrake against the 63 plate 123k  Mercedes CLS Shootingbrake from the Low Cost High  Liability thread.

 

The Jag won...pick it up on Sat.

 

The hunt for a car for Tayne goes on!!

[Tayne]

6 hours ago, Out Run said:

Here’s the underside of my 2012 TXS.

Is there anything in particular you want to see?

 

 

You've shown me enough.

 

The black car I went to see looked like it been parked in the sea, the rust craters underneath were 2-3 mm deep and covered almost everything. The kind of rust that means "sanding it back" risks turning the whole thing into a pile of brown dust.

[Tayne]

1 hour ago, warren t claim said:

The last one is seriously strong money for any Mk4a.  

 

Welcome to Scotland.

Less people and lower population density mean that the availability of any given used car in any radius is a small fraction of that in England.

Myself, @Springer, @Supernaut all have gone south for cars on many occasions.

[sierraman]

I can honestly say I’ve never seen a rusty one, surface rust on suspension components yes but never seen one that looked like it wanted welding up. But then again that’s sunny South Yorkshire...

[wuvvum]

Aye, mine is all solid underneath and that's done over 200K.

[sierraman]

Better than the Mk2, fucking hell they rotted like last months fruit. 

[wuvvum]

I plugged my laptop into mine a little while ago to have a look at some real-time engine data.  At idle, injectors 1 and 4 are giving a reading of around 0.85, and the inner two are around 1.15.  As soon as the revs increase they all congregate on 1.00.  Any idea what that means?

One good thing I've discovered is that my knock-off Delphi software can apparently code in injectors if that is required.