Berlingo XUD9TE project (Y THO?)

[Dave_Q]

Fair play, many progress has been made this weekend so well done.

 

As a suggestion on the wiring, you can get a technical subscription to service.Citroen.com by the hour, think its about 6 euro for the hour but that should give unlimited access to wiring diagrams and the like.

 

You can get the relevant bits for the 2 cars downloaded and/or printed off easily in an hour and go from there.

[dave21478]

Impress.

 

Its the home straight now, but thats when fuck-ups are too easy to make, IME.

 

Have a day or two away from it and go in fresh....she will be running in a few hours.

 

 

 

 

Just in case....disconnect the battery while you leave it. Dont want some un-noticed short slowly heating things up. Especially not in a massive shed full of firewood.

[Lacquer Peel]

The battery's in the back.

 

It wouldn't have been possible without Richard's good will and tenacity, visiting me in the TOO FAR NORTH and spending two days grazing his knuckles and fighting with driveshafts and engine mounts. I'd have set fire to it by now.

 

Not to mention the good will of the people I work for, lending me a forklift and a BIG SHED for the weekend.

[Richard]

I think the best strategy is to connect the DW8 loom to everything off the engine and as much as you can on the engine, then run wires to whatever is left over.

[Richard]

This is LP tackling the electrics. I can't imagine why they aren't working properly.

[Sigmund Fraud]

"If you can't fix it with a hammer, you must have an electrical problem."

 

-didn't someone on here use that quote as a signature ?

[Anthony]

It's not immediately clear, but have you used the loom from the Xsara?

 

If so, that's probably your problem. Whilst I've never compared a Xsara and Berlingo loom plug pinout, I will say that Peugeot/Citroen are notorious for buggering around with looms between ages and models but having the same connectors, and you end up with all sorts of weird and wonderful behaviour when you use a loom from one car in another of a different age/model. A good example is a Xsara and 306 of the same age, despite being so similar, have completely different pin outs on the loom connectors, even for the same engine.

 

I would thus strongly suggest using the original DW8 loom and adapting as required. There's so few wires required for an XUD it should be straight forward enough.

 

As for the immobiliser, a drill and an early (non-immobilised) XUD stop solenoid is your answer.

[Richard]

We did use the Xsara loom and it did plug in to the same multi plug. We now realise this was a mistake and the Berlingo's original loom will be used.

[Lacquer Peel]

It's not immediately clear, but have you used the loom from the Xsara?

 

If so, that's probably your problem. Whilst I've never compared a Xsara and Berlingo loom plug pinout, I will say that Peugeot/Citroen are notorious for buggering around with looms between ages and models but having the same connectors, and you end up with all sorts of weird and wonderful behaviour when you use a loom from one car in another of a different age/model. A good example is a Xsara and 306 of the same age, despite being so similar, have completely different pin outs on the loom connectors, even for the same engine.

 

I would thus strongly suggest using the original DW8 loom and adapting as required. There's so few wires required for an XUD it should be straight forward enough.

 

As for the immobiliser, a drill and an early (non-immobilised) XUD stop solenoid is your answer.

 

Only one word for Peugeot/Citroen and that is BASTARDS.

 

The plan is to use the DW8 loom along with the Bosch pump that arrived today.

[dollywobbler]

Only one word for Peugeot/Citroen and that is BASTARDS.

 

The plan is to use the DW8 loom along with the Bosch pump that arrived today.

 

Alternatively, the phrase BECAUSE FRENCH also works.

[Sigmund Fraud]

Only one word for Peugeot/Citroen and that is BASTARDS.

 

The plan is to use the DW8 loom along with the Bosch pump that arrived today.

 

I imagine a group of aging PSA engineers discussing loom compatibility during their extended lunch break, while going through their third bottle of pastis and their sixth pack of gitanes brunes for the day...

 

 

"Dit, Gustave... I reckon we can use the existing XU loom for our new DW engines... We can make minimal modifications, so if any insane scotsmen want to carry out an engine swap in two decades' time it would be a piece of cake."

 

"Qu'est-ce que c'est cette connerie ? That would be no fun. I say, let's make them completely different ! Those home mechanics are always masochists, so they'll love it."

[SiC]

Those Peugeot engineers never go by the standards!

 

Those Citroen engineers never go by the standards!

 

[Lacquer Peel]

This is what killed the DW8. Oof!
The belt looks relatively new, it would be interesting to perform an autopsy but I can't be arsed.

 

The DW8 loom has been retrieved and it looks similar to the XUD loom so far apart from some EGR shit.

[SiC]

Ouch! Can you tell from the belt if it was an overstress incident, fatigue or manufacturing defect?

[Mr_Bo11ox]

Good luck Lacqshmi_Mittal!!!

[Lacquer Peel]

Ouch! Can you tell from the belt if it was an overstress incident, fatigue or manufacturing defect?

 

I'm not sure, I might take the bottom timing cover off and check the tensioner, water pump etc.

[Guest Hooli]

That belt does look buggered.

[Dave_Q]

Doesn't look stripped or delaminated, looks like a tensile failure as if one of the pulleys has stopped while the rest carried on or something.

[Guest Hooli]

^^ That was my first thought too, I think it got broke rather than it broke.

[Noel Tidybeard]

pugrot looms! my mate bought an door for a 306 that was same colour similar age same equipement but one door had male connector and other one a female!!!

[KruJoe]

Did anyone else scroll down to that picture and think

 

"OH SHIT he's bust the new engine!" ?

[Richard]

Yes, and I thought it was my fault because I changed the cam belt etc on the new engine.

[Lacquer Peel]

The XUD should be spot on. I'm taking a grinder to the stop solenoid shroud soon, on the road by ?

[bub2006]

Teatime

[Lacquer Peel]

I hacked the stop solenoid shielding off with an angle grinder, and set fire to a plastic fuel pipe in the process. Not fun and limited access. With the plunger removed I tried turning it over last night, it'd cough but not start, and I burnt out the starter motor with over-vigorous use. It wouldn't start because a couple of the injector lines were tightened finger tight. Great job!

The DW8 starter is a match and in much better condition thankfully.

 

 

I got it to run for a bit today but there's still a fuel leak, I thought the pump was leaking but Richard reminded me that the stop solenoid has been disturbed recently.

 

 

To badge or not to badge?

 

Oh and the glow plugs aren't working on ignition, I connected them directly to the battery to warm the combustion chambers. What have I done wrong?

[320touring]

Excellent work:) shall it be in attendance at Club GLF next Sunday?

[Lacquer Peel]

The MOT expires on the 11th.

[320touring]

The MOT expires on the 11th.

a Sunday mot in Dunfermline ftw

[Lacquer Peel]

Do they carry out welding?

[Richard]

I remembered tonight that I have previous in Berlingo resurrection, in a purely advisory capacity. My friend got one cheap a few years ago because it had resisted all attempts to make it go. I suggested that it might have broken rockers and I was right, but...

 

 

I checked the cam timing and found that he'd got it wrong. Try again

 

 

Having the cam timing wrong has broken more rockers. Time to experience the legendary French accessibility again.

 

 

Third time lucky.