Truck Shite

[oman5]

Leyland did indeed get gas turbine prototypes working on the road. however, any weight saving by the use of such a compact power unit was negated by all the anicilliaries needed, it was very slow to accelerate and only did about 4-5 mpg.

Gas turbines are fine, but only of any realistic use at a constant high speed, hence they never took off in any road vehicle.

They were used with some success in US railroad locomotives in the 1960s

[willswitchengage]

Impressive stuff, Iain. That 143M especially stands out, and I love the patina of the Iveco. Soz to be nerdy, but isn't the plate on the 95 a 1976 (ish) one, not an '86-ish one as I imagine they would have been? Not a criticism you understand!

 

Yeah they make mistakes like that all the time with the optional numberplates, that DAF is Italeri (guess what country it's from) and they often boob up the British ones. They're almost all LHD so I foreign-plate them

 

What make are those kits? I stick to Italeri as only Heller and Revell additionally do 1:24s AFAIK, Revell's quality is awful (using their glue right now - quelle horreur!) but I've never tried Heller. AMT is good on ebay for American trucks but they're 1:25 and dead expensive.

[Vin]

Italeri never got the UK plates right did they...The nearest they ever got was E110 DSA on the Grampian Chickens Leyland Daf. They are great models, I built most of these too when I was growing up. I had the 'Startruck' scania too but with an additional drawbar trailer. I had the 'Dawn Trading' Merc and the bonnetted scania wrecker. I also had that 'Black Magic' Pete with a car transporter trailer. My European trucks always used to get a RHD conversion and letraset numberplates. Good Stuff.

[Cavcraft]

Any complaints if I lob the odd eBay spotted commercail shite on this thread?

 

 

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/morris-vintag ... 6550773258

[Split_Pin]

The Iveco has always looked a bit shabby lol. It annoyed me when I was 13 but looks good now! Probsalso because its been rebuilt about 3 times due to house moves! DAF, Iveco, Scania p, Magnum and Merc are Italeri, the Pete is AMT and Kenny is Revell and the G260 is Heller. The Revell Pete is far more detailed than the others and the Heller is quite basic. For me the Italeris are the best and are very versatile.

 

I've been out of the model kit game for yonks, but when I decided to look at buying an xf DAF and expected it to be an update on the 95, I wad shocked to see that its now a monocoque chassis with only the cab and ancillaries to add :l

 

Anyone else into these?

 

Edit: like the FF, my mates dad Alex Anderson used to run these and restored one for his collection about 15 years ago.

[CreepingJesus]

Any complaints if I lob the odd eBay spotted commercail shite on this thread?

 

No complaints from me anyway! I'm amazed at the prices old Volvo F10/12's fetch on the 'Bay, they're hardly the rarest of things.

Speaking of which, maybe you modellers can 'refresh my memory' here. Back in the late 80's there was a very expensive (around £250 iirc) all-metal Volvo F10 kit, maybe 1/10 scale or so, which was built in exactly the same way as the real truck. Down to the scale rivets and bolts on the chassis being exactly the right quantities and placement. Actual pneumatic tyres, working suspension and much, much more.

I saw a fully built one in a model shop in Teignmouth in '87, but I cannot recall for the life in me, what the makers' name was. Anyone know?

I've built an Italeri DAF 3600, which is knocking about somewhere, probly in need of total restoration. But given that I've been working on the second Gulf Porsche 917 of my life, for about 5 years now, no-one should be holding their breath...

[Cavcraft]

 

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/FODEN-/120880 ... 1c2510a474

 

These look rock I reckon, though not keen on the rear arches.

[Cavcraft]

*Sorry, but as people mentioned modelling possibly some useful spares here

 

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/italeri-truck ... 3374080ded

[willswitchengage]

I've been out of the model kit game for yonks, but when I decided to look at buying an xf DAF and expected it to be an update on the 95, I wad shocked to see that its now a monocoque chassis with only the cab and ancillaries to add :l

 

Been there! That was the second truck I ever bought, after a ridiculously complex (realistically) Actros, I remember thinking "oh... so this is a one part engine and a non-tilting cab?". Oh well, it's now it's lorry heaven after its rubber tyres were pillaged.

 

CJ do you mean these? Actually probs not as I think the Tamiya trucks are fairly new... incredible thugh, even for the money.

 

I never know what to do with mine though - at the minute they just gather UVs and dust, and I broke a good five or so more parts off just moving them for photos

 

Cav: Those Fodens are great, guessing though ex-fairground by those fairings and vertical stack?

[Vin]

Any complaints if I lob the odd eBay spotted commercail shite on this thread?

 

Speaking of which, maybe you modellers can 'refresh my memory' here. Back in the late 80's there was a very expensive (around £250 iirc) all-metal Volvo F10 kit, maybe 1/10 scale or so, which was built in exactly the same way as the real truck. Down to the scale rivets and bolts on the chassis being exactly the right quantities and placement. Actual pneumatic tyres, working suspension and much, much more.

I saw a fully built one in a model shop in Teignmouth in '87, but I cannot recall for the life in me, what the makers' name was. Anyone know?

 

That'll be POCHER. They did an F12 as well. They were 1/8 scale. I remember there was an F10 at 'Shermans' in Scunthorpe, above the counter on the top shelf for years gathering dust. That was mainly due to the £250 price tag and this was nearly 25 years ago

 

I have an early nineties edition of Truck Model World were somebody scratchbuilt a 6x2 Terberg Ballast Tractor with a Hiab, using a Pocher 4x2 F10. An amazing feat then really.

[CreepingJesus]

^That's the one! Cheers Vin, memory duly jogged.

The one I saw was on a plinth in the middle of the shop, so you could see every last detail of it. It would be about a grand's worth of kit today, give or take...

[Vin]

AFAICR they also sold the engine as a separate kit in it's own right...

[CreepingJesus]

Wasn't there also an add-on electrics pack? It gave you working lights, and power through scale suzies for a trailer; you could hide a couple of real 9v batteries, in the replica 24v jobs in its' battery box, where the real thing would be.

I'm sure the model reviewer in Truck+Driver at the time was a retired fitter; he built one in jig time, but noted the finesse needed on jobs like fitting the injector pipes and brake lines! The insane detail, and sheer perfectionism of the kit was staggering. What it would take to build the Terberg loco from that, I don't know.

 

EDIT: Still available, at only 750Euro. Bargainous, then! Apparently there's also an F16 Globetrotter. That'll need even more marker lights, whoopee...

[johnbaz]

S'more owldies...

 

 

 

Li'l Chevvie pickup truck..

 

 

Some a bit bigger!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And finally a slip of a girl (probably about a hundred and twenty four years old now ) to help with any tyre problems (she has the knack )

 

 

 

John

[CreepingJesus]

 

Wondered where that had gone! It's an ex-Cadzow's Merc Titan. Saw it in action a few years ago, hauling a rudder section out of Rolls Royce Marine - nice noise from the tweaked V8. It's sure to earn its' keep hauling some of those forgings out of Forgemasters.

[johnbaz]

 

Wondered where that had gone! It's an ex-Cadzow's Merc Titan. Saw it in action a few years ago, hauling a rudder section out of Rolls Royce Marine - nice noise from the tweaked V8. It's sure to earn its' keep hauling some of those forgings out of Forgemasters.

 

 

Hi Jesus

 

That's in Forgemasters but they tend to lug more castings out rather than forgings

 

I've not seen this particular wagon for some time at our place though i'd thing it was still keeping busy

 

 

John

[CreepingJesus]

Yes, castings. That's what I meant to say all along...

 

I'm sure in Johnston's hands it'll be slogging away for years to come. They're famously good at making trucks last.

[willswitchengage]

Otherwise it's a prime example of 'Concordski' syndrome. Copy something The Capitalist West has done, but leave in the mistakes they eliminated.

 

 

The "Pangolina", Countach clone?

 

Lots more pics of that stupid Maz here, still can't figure out how it works.

[willswitchengage]

Moar

 

 

Many more picatures of old (mainly American) car transporters here.

[CreepingJesus]

I'd heard of the Pangolina, spoken in hushed tones of sheer awe before. Now I see why! Must do some checking on that. Also the 'interesting' car transporter; it looks very much like a developmental dead end!

 

So to business... My spots of late have been few and far between. While everyone's busy knocking out great spotted threads, mine is hungrily waiting for offerings. Well, that's not entirely true; I've spotted everything but worthwhile cars, and I was loathe to do a mostly trucks update. That and I felt as if I'd be robbing this here thread if I did that.

Just once in a while, something remarkable happens.

No, not finding an old Borderer - every single one ever made is in some state of preservation*.

The shitey-senses were tingling. Help mah boab, and crivens jings almighty (copyright 'The Broons'), it's been joined by a Leyland Freighter. 'Get a picture later, on the way back home'

WELL SPANK ME ON THE BOTTOM WITH THE WOMAN'S WEEKLY...the Atki's being carted away on the back of the Freighter. Hot shite-on-shite action. Either that, or it was a timeloop warp wormhole of some sort, and I actually was in 1992. That's not all...

This old stager was right across the road, and was actually what I'd gone to spot in the first place. It was a couple of days before I realised I'd forgotten all about the poor old thing...

[Cavcraft]

Seddon Lee, life has new meaning for me-he-he

 

 

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1950s-SEDDON- ... 27c6106f6e

[cms206]

STILL IN USE TRUCKSHITE SHOCKER!

 

Papped TODAY at Prestwick Airport...

 

Prestwick Airport Ltd 1501 - DLE 714C by cms206, on Flickr

[kinkersaab]

Otherwise it's a prime example of 'Concordski' syndrome. Copy something The Capitalist West has done, but leave in the mistakes they eliminated.

 

 

The "Pangolina", Countach clone?

 

Lots more pics of that stupid Maz here, still can't figure out how it works.

 

Based on a Lada? I like that.

[CreepingJesus]

STILL IN USE TRUCKSHITE SHOCKER!

 

Papped TODAY at Prestwick Airport...

 

Prestwick Airport Ltd 1501 - DLE 714C by cms206, on Flickr

 

Christ on a bike...something in Prestwick Airport that might actually have been near Elvis! I wonder if the ear defender warning's for the genny, or the presumable state of the Beddy's exhaust?

[warren t claim]

Is this the wrong place to say I drove the new Actros today and it's fucking amazing?

[CreepingJesus]

^Lucky bugger! I like the previous 2 gens of Actros, but there's more chance of my winning Miss World than getting a go of a new one.

Have Merc mastered giving them the ability to pull the skin off a rice pudding yet, tho'? That was always a weak point.

[cms206]

STILL IN USE TRUCKSHITE SHOCKER!

 

Papped TODAY at Prestwick Airport...

 

Prestwick Airport Ltd 1501 - DLE 714C by cms206, on Flickr

 

Christ on a bike...something in Prestwick Airport that might actually have been near Elvis! I wonder if the ear defender warning's for the genny, or the presumable state of the Beddy's exhaust?

 

 

Probably for the genny - going by the tow rope this one's not run under it's own steam for a while, either that or it needs a tug to get it going so to speak.

 

Oh yeah... it also runs on pez, not diseasil, for added shite fuel economy.

[oman5]

^Lucky bugger! I like the previous 2 gens of Actros, but there's more chance of my winning Miss World than getting a go of a new one.

Have Merc mastered giving them the ability to pull the skin off a rice pudding yet, tho'? That was always a weak point.

 

 

I drove one of the first batch in the uk on a P plate, supposedly a 400 and it was total shit. I had to grovel to the transport manager to get my scania 113 360 back- the actros was that bad. horrible flappy paddle gearbox, zero torque, a greedy appetite for expensive synthetic oil (that's what merc designed it to run on- supposedly 100,000km oil changes, in reality it would have burnt off several sumpfulls by the time the service was due). On the plus side, very comfortable, steering and brakes absolutely spot on.

Next time I drove one it was a 56 plate 460- what a difference, on driving that it felt like this was the truck it should have been from the start. fully automatic and it was a pleasure to drive.

I may be wrong but I think Merc may have finally ditched the V6 engine for the new models. bloody stupid to make an I6 for the axor and a v6 for the actros in roughly the same power bracket anyway- and the axor engine is a lovely thing. about the only thing on them that is any good, mind, or they wouldn't have to give them away to Tesco.

[willswitchengage]

I think the logic for the V6 was that it was just two cylinders wapped off the V8 so it slides into the Actros a bit better, although like you say still a bit pointless as you already have an I6 that's cheaper to build, is inherently far more balanced etc. Looking at googey images though there doesn't seem to be a "smaller cab" new Actros though like the old V6 one, so I guess they're just do the sensible thing and letting the (imho better looking) Axor take that sort of "regional" market for itself.

 

When I was at my interview at Leyland they fessed that "Mercedes make the highest quality truck" (and naturally, IVECO the worst)

[CreepingJesus]

Given that the Axor and Actros share broadly the same chassis (at least the tractors do), it's a sign of the amount of politicking within M-B, that the Brazilian built (and hence cheap option) straight 6, hasn't been under an Actros cab before now. Especially as almost everyone who's driven both, criticises the Axor for its' shit cab, and the Actros for its' gutlessness!

There's bound to be a 'fleet' cab Actros, they were much more popular in Euroland than here, which was why M-B cobbled the Axor together in the first place: for us lucky buggers. One company locally builds bin trucks, many of which go to Europe: it's always struck me as odd how there can be an Actros and an Axor chassis sat right next to each other, waiting to be built on, each with about 330 horse. One's got the V6, the other the S6. The UK market ones are all Axors, or Econics, with the S6 engine.

Surely they should rationalise, and use the S6 up to, say, the 480 horse mark; use the V8 still at 530 horse and over. Politics resolved, customers happy, and for the 3rd time today, I get to say "See those clever people in the offices that design stuff, and make decisions...I'll do their jobs better for half the money!" (The other two instances involved dunderheided tail-lift and staircase design I expect the next one will involve trying to tug one of Tescos deckers up out of Dundee on the A90 with an underpowered Axor or DAF CF...)