Station Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 I've found both were identical, but I changed a starter motor, belt tensioner, suspension and it was very tight on a Mondeo. Also the interiors are grim and depressing, especially with Ghia X leather. Grey velour would be better, and I hate grey interiors. How about a Signum? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiC Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 Honda Accord 2.2 ctdi. Get one that is post 2005 for no cracked manifold issue. Doesn't suffer from DMF failure (as long as you change the clutch as soon as it starts slipping), injectors and pumps don't have issues - just look at the second hand part prices on eBay for evidence. Swirl flaps is only one big, heavy duty butterfly valve (like throttle bodies), vacuum driven too so doesn't fail like most. Doesn't have DPF either (iirc, certainly doesn't on the civic). I reckon one of the last decent, long life diesels. First proper Honda designed diesel, massively over engineered and under stressed. Cleon-Fonte 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twosmoke300 Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 How about a Saab 9-5 estate ( 9-3 is a pissy lifestyle estate ) ? Massive boot and available with the 2.2 tid ( noisy but hard as coffin nails ) or the more fragile but faster / smoother 1.9 fiat lump as used in the vectra .Not a dynamic drive but a great comfy workhorse with plenty of hidden appeal Shep Shepherd 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiC Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 9-3 is a vectra body, but yeah, boot is disappointingly small - especially compared to the vectra. 2.2 is a horrible lump, much rather have the 1.9 16v. Apart from DMF and EGR, they aren't _that_ bad lump. EGR are cheap enough to buy new ones. Low SAPS oil apparently lessens the clogging. Shep Shepherd 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twosmoke300 Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 9-5 is also a vectra floor pan but the older vectra b . Shep Shepherd 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bren Posted August 11, 2016 Author Share Posted August 11, 2016 Saab - GM underpinnings, certain parts nigh on impossible to get hold of. 75? - ditto certain parts, and they are as desirable as ebola - sometimes I think the only ones that sell are the ones on here. However, I do like them. But wife does'nt. A petrol model is'nt really viable as wife does a lot of stop/start driving - it would cost a fortune to run a 2.0 mondeo. The signum is a 2+2 and we need the extra length an estate brings. There is an 07 plate vectra in Bolton and a mondeo in Widnes I will enquire about. Going looking tomorrow - I'll probably bring home something else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twosmoke300 Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 Enough 9-5's broken to make parts easy to source . I've never had a new part go nla either to be honest . I think some very late xenon lights are near impossible to get but every thing else is fine . SiC and Shep Shepherd 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bren Posted August 11, 2016 Author Share Posted August 11, 2016 I've just had a thought - I should have titled the thread " Vectra v Mondeo - which is the least shit?" Both bread and butter family cars that evolved beyond what was good for them. Shep Shepherd, saucedoctor and beko1987 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghosty Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 Why hasn't anyone mentioned Volvos yet? Shep Shepherd 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twosmoke300 Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 Yeh v70 is a good bus . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sierraman Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 S60 D5 is a good bet. He's come on here to ask for some advice about Vauxhalls and its turned out he's got a hundred different suggestions! Honda sounds a good shout, you never hear many people with a bad word to say about them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junkyarddog Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 My '08 Mondeo,2.0 tdci. Decent enough car,has had a few minor niggles through the years I've had it,but overall a good large car. Faker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cavcraft Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 in fairness to the Mondeo they're probably not much shitter than a Passat. Ghosty 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShiteRider Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 This is mine1.9 cdti, so far has needed a dmf replacement at £468 (£308 for LUK clutch kit + £160 mates rates labour, he most of a day on it and lost a fingernail.)It's an SRI so the ride is a bit jarring but it's comfy enough, has loads of kit and is shit hot on the motorway (80mph is 1900rpm).I'm getting about 680 miles to a tank. To surmise, vfm wise vectra c is hard to beat. egg 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sierraman Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 I suppose when you consider it, £470 isn't bad at all to say if you take good care out of it it's got another 80k to go. If you could find one with a failing DMF but otherwise good suitably cheap and get it done you'd have a known good clutch then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cavcraft Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 Is that the 150? I think mine was the 8V 120, it still went ok but a few more horses would have been nice.Keep seeing Vectras and it reminds me I miss my old one, if I wasn't at breaking point with cars I want to keep I'd start acting on my 3.0 diesel fantasies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShiteRider Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 I suppose when you consider it, £470 isn't bad at all to say if you take good care out of it it's got another 80k to go. If you could find one with a failing DMF but otherwise good suitably cheap and get it done you'd have a known good clutch then.Fly wheel was knocking it's arse off, and as the six speed box is meant to be a bit weak in a 120 i thought i'd bite the bullet. Definitly cheaper than waiting till it's killed the box as well. Annoyingly the friction disc was like new at 91k. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShiteRider Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 Is that the 150? I think mine was the 8V 120, it still went ok but a few more horses would have been nice.Keep seeing Vectras and it reminds me I miss my old one, if I wasn't at breaking point with cars I want to keep I'd start acting on my 3.0 diesel fantasies.It's a 120, to be fair it's surprisingly pokey though. That said before this i was driving a 1600 4 speed cortina and a 1300 no speed fiesta.It helps that know it's history, mum bought it new (it was a pre-reg, just before the facelift came out. Paid £11,650 for it if memory serves).She was going to scrap it as the gobshite greasemonkey around the corner quoted £1300 to do the clutch.I got it done for her, and she said i may as well keep the car as she barely uses it.Tempted to fuck the cortina off and get a mk2 cavalier now.Sorry for thread hijack. Cavcraft and Laseraligningfoofooflanges 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honey Badger Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 I'd say that either of the Accord or Avensis would be a better choice than any ford or Vauxhall based chod, still think a 2.0 pez would be cheaper to run in the long term as it just has less to go wrong with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sierraman Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 Seen an accord near me quite tempted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebee Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 Looking at the estates that are available mondeo mkIV's are now cheap. However, they do not appear to be a robust as the vectra - EGR and glow plugs will cause problems with the vauxhall, however it seems to be pumps and injectors on the mondeo - megabucks and enough to condemn a tatty example to the bridge. Also I look at what the taxi drivers use - the mondeo is not a popular choice, where the vectra is. Which seems to say quite a bit. Are my suspicions correct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebee Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 Vectras aren't too bad but I don't like the light power steering feel.no wonder they oversteer.SRI diesel was mental.no power on take off,even when you floor it,then it all arrives in one lump and the traction control cuts in.mondeo on the other hand,tatty at hi mileage suspension wears out its rubber bits and the engine (1.8 petrol) gets wheezy if not service irregularly.. mondeo a better drive all round.more performance,better economy (petrol) more comfort, all in all,ford the better car.diesels I know not of apart from Sri veccy but I remember a quote from the motoring press about mondeo st diesel."fast but fragile" nuff said Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richbraith Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 Vectra C estate with the old 99bhp 2.0 diesel...not in any way fast but good enough for agricultural purposes. And much more reliable that the 1.9 (or a Mondeo diesel). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twosmoke300 Posted August 12, 2016 Share Posted August 12, 2016 They did the vectra c with the 2.2 dti as well didn't they ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bub2006 Posted August 12, 2016 Share Posted August 12, 2016 Yes, sri and elegance trims Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bren Posted August 12, 2016 Author Share Posted August 12, 2016 VEL on a vectra cdti 150 is £180 per year. With an auto box £265. Fuck me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sierraman Posted August 12, 2016 Share Posted August 12, 2016 Not very economical either, average probably under 40mpg more like 35. But then you've no DMF to worry about though. Just the potential for the auto box to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bren Posted August 12, 2016 Author Share Posted August 12, 2016 A nice 07 plate cdti design estate near me private sale £2495. Problem is book price private sale is £1400. Good look with that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiltox Posted August 12, 2016 Share Posted August 12, 2016 A nice 07 plate cdti design estate near me private sale £2495. Problem is book price private sale is £1400. Good look with that one.I sold a (very) nice one like that for £3595 this time last year - if it's the same one then that might explain their expectation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty_Rocket Posted August 12, 2016 Share Posted August 12, 2016 Bren, your thread prompted me to look at late Vectra and Mondeo estates on ebay. What a lot of late car for the money... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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