Xantia of Desires - Farewell xantia!

[beko1987]

I did just that, but off the lhm pump! Moving on...

[beko1987]

So, the moment of truth...

 

 

 

SHE LIVES!

 

There was a brief scary moment when she ran slow and died, but I'd put a hole in the fuel line just before the fuel filter, so chopped that back, primed up up, and she runs! Went around the block and it was fine!

 

Fucking mega thanks to everyone who helped me, at lunchtime I had just about given Up! I still don't really know what I did cos all I did was lob the belt on one last time and she turned! So thanks to all the xud pickers, the next person who says this place isn't what it used to be will get a glitterbomb sent in the post.

 

Of course, she may explode in a mess of valves and cambelt tomorrow, but I'll worry about that then.

[purplebargeken]

Excellent!

[ruffgeezer]

Well done Sam!

 

Now get that cambelt covered up quick!

[beko1987]

I'll be keeping a proper good eye on things until I do, anyone got a full xud cambelt cover with bolts going spare?

[ruffgeezer]

Is it just the top piece you need?

 

I have the heater sliders and radio surround here.

[DeeJay]

Couldn't help at all with the spannering/tech stuff but I had everything crossed for you.

Well done. 

[beko1987]

Is it just the top piece you need?

 

I have the heater sliders and radio surround here.

The whole thing is broken in various ways but yes, primarily the top bit that coes over the fuel pump sprocket!

 

Thanks tim, let me know how much it will all be posted and I'll get saving! 

 

By radio surround, so you mean the trim bit that covers all the screws up? That bit on mine is fine, it's everything behind it/where the clock and buttons push into that's smashed, although a good session with the glue might fix it... at the moment though all that is far back on the list of priorities!

[The Moog]

Well done Sam. Bet you feel pleased !

[ruffgeezer]

Yeah I had a look at getting the bit behind out and it seems to require removing everything else in the car to do so. I didn't have that sort of time available sadly!

[mrbenn]

Bloody well done! Unable to offer technical help but have been reading with a sinking feeling and fingers crossed. Pleased it's sorted!

[KruJoe]

Good stuff Sam, I'm glad I pointed Will in your direction at lunchtime.

What he perhaps didn't tell you is that we're on with a similar job on THAT free 306. And remotely trying to help out Rich-in-the-welder with belt issues on his 405. Fingers crossed all three with have a happy veggy ending.  :)

[Rusty_Rocket]

Well done mate

[beko1987]

Good stuff Sam, I'm glad I pointed Will in your direction at lunchtime.

What he perhaps didn't tell you is that we're on with a similar job on THAT free 306. And remotely trying to help out Rich-in-the-welder with belt issues on his 405. Fingers crossed all three with have a happy veggy ending. :)

Yes, thanks very much for that! Just having him there nodding his head and running through everything was proper helpful! He called just as I got the thing rotating, so I was a bit chirpier than I would have been 10 minutes before!

 

Sounds like an xud fettleage weekend then, hope we don't unbalance the shite karma too much... I've not checked the grumpy thread today yet

[beko1987]

I feel very lucky! Don't forget Daz lobbed 20k on it, it's at 131k now!

 

The aux belt had worn and perished on one side (cambelt side), I'd been meaning to look at it for a while but never got round to it. The edge groove came away, flapped into the cambelt which snatched it, and cos I was doing 40mph, must have jammed, knocked a few teeth off and caused the fuel pump to go out of time! The belt has loads of teeth starting to lift at the edge as well, but I reckon thats where they have been clobbered by the aux belt, I doubt the cambelt would have failed on its own for a good while yet.

 

The waterpump and cambelt tensioners are fine, no sign of leaking from the waterpump, so I'll leave that a good while longer. Everything spins silky smooth. I only put a new belt on because it was a tenner, and I'm glad I bought it now, I bought it before I saw the teeth!

 

People on the Xantia facebook page said that the tensioner has a habit of collapsing internally, pulling the belt off towards the engine, which is maybe whats happening here. It all runs true and nice now, but I'll keep a close eye on it as I get some miles on and see if that is what's happening. If so, new tensioner!

 

I'll certainly not ignore a squealing aux belt again, and will get a new cambelt cover to prevent it happening again. Providing it doesnt break again tomorrow, I'm not too upset about it, it's been an ace weekend of shite fettlage all told, and I've learned a fuck load, which is good for me as my car knowledge is pretty slim. I reckon I could get a cambelt, waterpump and tensioner change done in a n afternoon now, I had the bloody cambelt on and off at least 9 times before it all decided to work and rotate nicely! And I know how to take the starter off, lock it all up, have the intercooler pipework off (which I'll need to do to fit the covers), have the cam cover off etc etc.

 

Infact the worse bit about the whole weekend was Amy doing a full Mrs. Rusty Rocket, and being a moany arsewipe most of the time. She came out just as I fored it up for the first time and it died due to the fuel leak, so shouted at me and stomped back in. I had the 'old cars are crap' line, before pointing out that her car could do it tomorrow "well there's no need to BE LIKE THAT is there"

 

She's in bed now, I'm happy! 

[beko1987]

Well it got me to work! I swear it started making an odd tapping noise at idle at handy cross, fingers were crossed and it seemed ok. I can also feel the car shaking a bit more at idle, not sure what that is. When I pulled into work a colleague was just going for a rolly and said it sounded as tappy as usual so who knows, I'll see if it explodes in a pile of valves and pistons on the way home! I stayed below 2k revs as much as I could incase that helped bed everything in, but hopefully if it was going to go badly wrong it would have done so by now. I stayed in L1 on the m40 just in case so I could dive for the hard shoulder.

 

Just put £65 worth of fuel in, it best not bastard break down now...

[The Moog]

 

 

Just put £65 worth of fuel in, it best not bastard break down now...

There's your problem... Only a tenner at time until you are sure it is ok!

[beko1987]

There's your problem... Only a tenner at time until you are sure it is ok!

Normally I would, but it came from my overdraft tank of fuel, so only get one chance before it clears and I'm overdrawn and cant use it again...

 

I pulled into mums and checked, and the belts are running true, nothing smells burny, there is a slightly higher tappy sound from somewhere, but nothing I was alarmed about looking at it and the engine does shake ever so slightly more, wondering if I should check the engine mount, is there a special way to re-seat it when I've had it removed?

[beko1987]

Just fired it up and there is a definite knock at idle, but it goes when even slight revs are applied. I'll have to have the wheel and arch liner off and see if the belts are causing an issue. The engine is certainly bouncing up and down on idle too, which it didn't do before

[KruJoe]

Does it want the idle speed tweaking up a touch?

[beko1987]

Does it want the idle speed tweaking up a touch?

It idles at a tachometer needle's width below 1k, maybe 750/800, which it's always done. Bringing the revs up to 1k does knock it off/make it very very quiet

 

The idle's still quite smooth, I turned it on and off a few times and got a stutter the 3rd, but I put that down to the fuel building up with the repeated starting so stopped that. I haven't touched the idle though, although I did unplug a few bits in the engine bay, maybe I haven't connected something properly, the connector that's held onto the gearbox above the starter mainly, it didn't seem to click into place properly

[beko1987]

I did a potatocam video

 

 

no idea if you can actually hear it though, I've not played it back and I'm back at my desk now

[Dick Cheeseburger]

^ Sounds plinky plonky.

[Supernaut]

My first 306 (which was also a 1.9 XUD turbo) had a duff engine mount which made a horrendous knocking noise on warm idle speed, but made no noise at any other revs.

 

It was the one at the driver's side, that the timing belt runs though. The captive nut underneath it was no longer captive. I just ran it like that for ages.

 

It really was bad. It sounded almost like a piston was trying to escape through the bonnet. However, it was only at warm idle speed. Cold idle was fine, and otherwise I'd just apply the tiniest bit of pressure on the throttle pedal to stop it. Sometimes I'd let it do its thing while sat at lights though. The horrified look on people's faces was priceless.

[dean36014]

Thats exactly how mine sounds when cold, i think on mine its because the timing is altered slightly on start up. Maybe the pump timing needs adjusting slightly?

[The Moog]

Is it just diesel in there? How new is the fuel filter?

 

I had that with that car sounded like a bag of spanners. It was a semi blocked fuel filter. It was mostly veg which was too thick.

[vulgalour]

I had it make that noise for about a week when I owned it and then it cleared up of its own accord. I could never get it to make the noise when anyone else was listening!  I know that's sod all use to you, but I'd love to know what the noise is if anyone does know.

[beko1987]

Bloody came home and it wasn't making the noise when I parked up...

 

It deffo feels a bit down on power though, granted I haven't booted it, but it feels a bit restricted, and the revs drop like a stone if I dip the clutch, although hold the idle fine.

 

I think ive timed it up incorrectly, although it does run OK at the moment. That may explain the engine rocking too, the mount bolts aren't spinning, they all nipped up nice and tight. Still didn't come out of l1 on the way home though

[M'coli]

If it's smokey on start-up it could be the pump timing, which I believe can be adjusted without disturbing the cambelt again - unless it's already at full advance.

[beko1987]

There's no smoke at all. Literally just a tappy noise at idle and it feels a bit down on power.

 

Over 9n the French car forum, a few people have said re time it, as it's probably a tooth out. Can't wait to ask Amy if I can spend another day out there at the weekend... Got to drive it to work and back all week first though, and to Watford and back Thursday morning... It'll be fine...............