Another one bites the dust

[D Spares & Tyres]

When fossil fuels are no longer available to the general public you will be worrying more about what to eat and who will be trying to steal from you more you will be worrying about your transport.

 

As for transport, we have 2 horses that can be put to use ☺

[Sloth in a bowl]

I look forward to an epic collection thread of a 1980's Dawes Galaxy ridden back from Kent to Liverpool with only a rucksack full of digestive biscuits, a thermos of sweet coffee and a puncture repair outfit from 1984 and two teaspoons.

 

 

I liked my Dawes Galaxy, used it as my main transport right through A Levels and University, killed it though in the end.

and I have a couple of teaspoons in my bike repair kit.

[NorfolkNWeigh]

On the way to the airport this morning I was talking to a guy involved in oil exploration. He's off to head office in Houston and fully expects to get made redundant. He reckons 45% of people in the industry have lost their jobs, why?

Because no ones interested in finding more oil! There is enough easily and cheaply available oil to last over 100 years ,even with projected demand from China,India, South America etc. the problem will be that there won't be any engineers when more exploration is necessary, because the big companies have stopped recruiting and training engineers in this area.

[captain_70s]

I think it was James May who said in one of his mildly interesting "Not Top Gear" programs that eventually fossil fuelled motoring would eventually become an enthusiast's hobby as it's replaced, in much the same way people still ride horses or go about on narrow boats and that although petrol would be massively expensive compared to now it wouldn't really matter as it wouldn't actually be needed to get around on a daily basis.

 

Sounds like a fair explanation. I doubt it'll just become unobtanium over night.

 

Having said that they said that fossil fuels would run out within the decade as far back as the 1960s and the last I checked we are 45 years late for that...

[dieselnutjob]

I know a guy who made his own CNG compressor to recharge the tank on his SD1 from a domestic gas supply.

He put a bunch of fridge compressors in series, so each one took the pressure of the previous one and increased it a bit more, then buried the whole thing in concrete.

I have a document somewhere that tells you how to make your own biodiesel, it isn't that hard.

What I think that we really need is a company like Tesla to make a RWD gearbox / engine shaped package with an electric motor and batteries instead.  If you could sit it on a cross member and hook it up to a prop shaft then it would fit loads and loads of classics and would be really easy to transplant.

All it would need is mains input plug, switch inputs for backwards / forwards, an on/off switch (or maybe just a radio transponder receiver) and an arm that you can hook up to cable from an accelerator switch. And a big spinny bit on the back that you bodge a drive shaft onto.

[theorganist]

Well considering the company I work for is just finishing an order for some parts for a brand new refinery in the far east I wouldn't start declaring the end of oil just yet!

 

I cannot see the end of petrol/diesel car in my lifetime. Obviously as we go forward there will be less and less but there will still be enthusiasts I am sure.

 

Personally, if it gets to the point where the only way I can drive around in my Horizon will be to have an electric motor fitted then I will give up on owning old cars. Part of the character of a car is the engine and gearbox as much as the body and interior. Replacing the rattly Simca engine with a quiet electric motor will just not be the same.

 

I would also like to point out that it is not just the oil producing countries which we would rather not be associated with, which will suffer when oil runs out. We are of course a large oil producers and have several refineries in the UK and therefore the end of oil would give a two fingered to us and a large proportion of the manufacturing sector. There is still a lot of manufacturing and subsidiary industries in the UK which heavily rely on the oil industry, the company I work for, for one. Many thousands of jobs would need to be replaced if not tens of thousands if there was a sudden end to the oil industry.

[Cavcraft]

Have we got to the bit where Catsinthewelder says how much the Berlingohm is and we have a e-fight to see who can buy it yet?

[pshome]

[billyboy406v6]

For someone who works in the oil industry you seem to have forgotten that we are an oil producing country, second biggest in Europe after Norway.

 

Or did you think Scotland had already left the UK...

Where is this place called Scotchland ?

[Bren]

When pez and diseasel run out you'll see me on one of these -

 

 

 

 

 

 

I will be the warrior of the wasteland. The ayatollah of rock 'n' rolla!

[castros_bro]

I know a guy who made his own CNG compressor to recharge the tank on his SD1 from a domestic gas supply.

He put a bunch of fridge compressors in series, so each one took the pressure of the previous one and increased it a bit more, then buried the whole thing in concrete.

I have a document somewhere that tells you how to make your own biodiesel, it isn't that hard.

What I think that we really need is a company like Tesla to make a RWD gearbox / engine shaped package with an electric motor and batteries instead.  If you could sit it on a cross member and hook it up to a prop shaft then it would fit loads and loads of classics and would be really easy to transplant.

All it would need is mains input plug, switch inputs for backwards / forwards, an on/off switch (or maybe just a radio transponder receiver) and an arm that you can hook up to cable from an accelerator switch. And a big spinny bit on the back that you bodge a drive shaft onto.

 

Making Bio-Diesel isn't difficult but, like straight vegetable oil in vehicles, the problem is the feed stock (like grain for ethanol) it is also food for human consumption so putting it in your first world car means someone somewhere doesn't eat (over simplification for dramatic effect) but then I used to explore for hydrocarbons so naturally bigoted.

[theorganist]

For someone who works in the oil industry you seem to have forgotten that we are an oil producing country, second biggest in Europe after Norway.

 

Or did you think Scotland had already left the UK...

I omitted a sentence and intend to edit my post but I'm on my phone on a train atm.

 

Of course I realise we are a large oil producing nation we are suppliers to the UK oil industry too.

 

I have edited my earlier post to reflect what I was trying to say, which was in itself referring to an earlier post.

[Lacquer Peel]

Making Bio-Diesel isn't difficult but, like straight vegetable oil in vehicles, the problem is the feed stock (like grain for ethanol) it is also food for human consumption so putting it in your first world car means someone somewhere doesn't eat (over simplification for dramatic effect) but then I used to explore for hydrocarbons so naturally bigoted.

 

I don't know any biodiesel producers who use new oil, it wouldn't be worth it.

We could feed everyone in the world quite easily if humans weren't so keen on meat and dairy.

[PhillipM]

If FF's were pulled 12 months we'd all be fucked 'cause there'd be none of the fancy plastics and electronics around for making yer Electrickery DooDahs.

[castros_bro]

I don't know any biodiesel producers who use new oil, it wouldn't be worth it.

We could feed everyone in the world quite easily if humans weren't so keen on meat and dairy.

 

Yankeeland

 

http://www.biodieselmagazine.com/plants/listplants/USA/

[D Spares & Tyres]

Fossil fuels won't just run out, they will just become gradually less available to the public.....

[doobietoo]

 

 

Personally, if it gets to the point where the only way I can drive around in my Horizon will be to have an electric motor fitted then I will give up on owning old cars. Part of the character of a car is the engine and gearbox as much as the body and interior. Replacing the rattly Simca engine with a quiet electric motor will just not be the same.

 

 

 

 

You will be able to record the sound the car makes before you fit the electric motor and play it back through your stereo ala Mustang BMW M5 et all

[theorganist]

You will be able to record the sound the car makes before you fit the electric motor and play it back through your stereo ala Mustang BMW M5 et all

 

Lol that would be feasible I suppose.

 

I am just a purist and like the rattly sound of the engine and the other foibles which accompany it, an electric motor just won't be the same.

 

If I end up having to own an electric car I might as well purchase a new or newish one.

[For Fiats Sake]

If petrol becomes a niche product for enthusiasts perhaps the government will stop taxing it so much and put a big premium on pack batteries instead?

 

More worrying than oil running out is the prospect of us relying on chinese built nuclear power stations and russian gas whilst we abandon coal just to have india and china pollute the environment with the technology we've abandoned at a rate that makes our attempts at cutting carbon emissions look completely pointless.

[Craig the Princess]

Lol that would be feasible I suppose.

 

I am just a purist and like the rattly sound of the engine and the other foibles which accompany it, an electric motor just won't be the same.

 

If I end up having to own an electric car I might as well purchase a new or newish one.

Woodgas is probably the way to go to keep internal combustion in the post oil era. Home brewed ones as well as home brewed evs have already been made.

 

That said with fracking actually producing large amounts especially in the us have changed the oil picture quite drastically. The bigger risk now is emissions legislation in cities banning certain vehicles.

 

I'd love a proper woodgas producer powering a generator to power an electric motor which should be more efficient than woodgas into combustion engine.

[dieselnutjob]

If most of the public are driving electric or hydrogen cars then I would have thought that there would be enough waste veg oil for the few remaining nutters like us to make biodiesel without anyone starving.

 

I can see new diesel car sales dropping anyway as more and more cities obsess about NOx emissions.  Most of the newer diesels will explode due to failed common rail injectors, tank pumps, DPF, EGR or DMFs leaving only the odd XUD or ancient Mercedes actually wanting the stuff.  And trucks of course...

[rml2345]

If it came to it, converting something light like an AX to electric couldn't be that hard.

Then all you need is a veg powered roadside generator for unlimited miles.

In fact, hooking that Berlingo up to a generator would give go anywhere electric car reliability.

Alternativley, we can have trolley booms on cars and mingle with the electric trolley buses.

Future is sorted!

[UltraWomble]

Ive seen the future - and its gas powered:

 

Wood gas / coal gas powered cars and buses were used during and after WW2 for a while as an alternate to petrochemical fuels.

 

This is why bridges started to be built higher after 1940

[UltraWomble]

Of course with global warming we will probably all need some sort of amphibious combination vehicle:

[UltraWomble]

Ambulance response times increase resulting in more deaths before patients reach A&E (and anyone living at the top of a really steep hill has no chance), but this results in less strain on the NHS and the Tories hail their office in power a success.

[castros_bro]

There's a slight chance that you've missed the CO2 point, but I like the fact that you are thinking of alternatives.

 

The CO2 and  fuels issues can all be addressed by using solar energy to produce fuel from CO2 extracted from the air. 

 

http://www.sciencealert.com/scientists-are-building-a-system-that-could-turn-atmospheric-co2-into-fuel

[mouseflakes]

The thought of fossil fuels running out is more frightening now Bren is threatening to get his Chopper out.

[HillmanImp]

May I suggest we all watch 'The Last Chase' starring Lee Majors.

 

 

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0082642/?ref_=nm_flmg_act_91

It is the future. Evil fascists have forced everyone to recycle and drive electric cars, and have oppressed all those poor people who want to drive Ferraris and smoke cigarettes. Hero Lee Majors, an ex-racing car driver, decides to make a statement by pulling out his old race car and driving cross-country at 150 mph siphoning gas from old petrol station pumps. Taking along a young computer hacker, he drives for the Holy Land the Free State of California!

 

Of course, the Powers That Be try to eliminate him by hiring Burgess Meredith to shoot him with a fighter jet.

[Eddie Honda]

starring Lee Majors.

But when I wind up in the hay, it's only hay, hey hey!

[face]

Good grief, that film sounds bloody terrible.

 

Anyone know where I can nab it from?