MOT Fail - Does it cancel out previous pass.

[gadgetgricey]

Rav 4 on ebay lists the MOT as expiring in Jan 2016.

 

Now certain I've seen this before on gumtree and was up for £250 as the wing has detached itself from the wheel arch. (Looks as though they have fixed that with gaffer tape) and the same PAS issue as listed.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1996-TOYOTA-RAV-4-GX-AUTO-/191724483937?hash=item2ca3ab7561:g:xY0AAOSwYHxWLo~-

 

 

Checked the MOT history site and it failed an MOT on 23/09/2015.

Quite badly as well.

 

Has the MOT now expired, or will it still run until Jan 2016 from the previous MOT expiry date?

Logic states its now expired, but doubting myself.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[oldcars]

Sure it will be expired. Its gone quite rotten quick that, no mention of rot on the Jan mot.

[garbaldy]

I was told that the current mot is still valid until it expires even after a fail, obviously illegal items will get you in trouble with the police

[Richard]

MOT runs until the expiry date but you are still responsible for keeping your vehicle in a roadworthy condition. That Toyota still shows as having an MOT.

[scaryoldcortina]

Current MoT is still valid despite the fail. Reason being that MoTs always run for a year and don't mean that the car is roadworthy other than at the time of issue.

[oldcars]

I learnt something new today. Thought once it had a fail it was unroadworthy.

[scaryoldcortina]

^ It is unroadworthy, assuming the fail items aren't fixed. Tested and roadworthy aren't the same thing.

[J-Rod]

yeah, I'd second the above (tested vs roadworthy) - I'm sure there are quite a few seriously accident damaged cars that still, technically, have a 'valid' MOT! Wouldn't want to be caught driving one... 

 

(I'm quite glad of all this MOT talk currently. Caused me to check mine and I found out it's up this Friday! Didn't own the car for its last test, ya see, so that date wasn't burnt in...) 

[New POD]

Rav 4 on ebay lists the MOT as expiring in Jan 2016.

 

Now certain I've seen this before on gumtree and was up for £250 as the wing has detached itself from the wheel arch. (Looks as though they have fixed that with gaffer tape) and the same PAS issue as listed.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1996-TOYOTA-RAV-4-GX-AUTO-/191724483937?hash=item2ca3ab7561:g:xY0AAOSwYHxWLo~-

 

 

Checked the MOT history site and it failed an MOT on 23/09/2015.

Quite badly as well.

 

Has the MOT now expired, or will it still run until Jan 2016 from the previous MOT expiry date?

Logic states its now expired, but doubting myself.

YES.

[Richard]

YES.

Yes to what?

 

You might well be prosecuted for the things that are wrong with your car but not for driving without an MOT. There would be no problem driving the car if the repairs had been done.

[M'coli]

I don't have my own copy of the latest issue of Car Mechanics to hand, but I believe that the editorial column says that a recent change means that a failed MOT invalidates the previous one no matter how long it had to run, meaning that you can't get the faults fixed, run around until the old one's up and get it tested then.

[Bren]

I don't have my own copy of the latest issue of Car Mechanics to hand, but I believe that the editorial column says that a recent change means that a failed MOT invalidates the previous one no matter how long it had to run, meaning that you can't get the faults fixed, run around until the old one's up and get it tested then.

Correct.

[bub2006]

When I had my vectra b about 3 months ago I was told the mot certificate stands for 12 month regardless of any mot takem in the meantime but as been mentioned before here if car is dangerous then ypu will get in shite.

[scaryoldcortina]

gov.uk says...

 

 

Driving a vehicle that’s failed

 

You must not drive the vehicle on the road if it fails the test, even if the MOT hasn’t run out, except to:

 

have the failed defects fixed

a pre-arranged MOT test appointment

 

You can be fined up to £2,500, be banned from driving and get 3 penalty points for driving a vehicle in a dangerous condition.

[New POD]

Yes to what?

 

You might well be prosecuted for the things that are wrong with your car but not for driving without an MOT. There would be no problem driving the car if the repairs had been done.

If you fail an MOT despite having a still valid MOT you can't get car tax, although if you've already got it that is fine.

 

Next step from the Government will be an automatic refund of tax if you fail MOT.

[Guest Lord Sward]

This change in the law, which was news to me when Car Mechanics landed on my mat, is just plain ridiculous.  Whats the point in doing the decent, sensible thing and submitting your vehicle a month early for an MOT these days then?  Nothing.  Just crazy and only penalises those who are conscientious.

[gadgetgricey]

This is where it gets weird though (and why I asked the question)

 

Check the gov website for valid MOT and its up January,

 

https://www.gov.uk/check-mot-status

 

but check the MOT history and you can see the failed MOT last month

[scaryoldcortina]

Is Car Mechanics magazine a reliable source? I've heard nothing from dvsa (vosa), there hasn't been a special notice and gov.uk (quoted above) is giving the usual roadworthiness advice but not saying the old MoT is invalid. It says not to drive a failed vehicle even if still tested because it's unroadworthy. that's not new.

 

Also, I just checked a car I failed last week, and it still shows as valid MoT and taxed because the old test hadn't expired. The history page shows the fail though.

[sierraman]

Not only is it invalid but say you were to have an accident and the cause could be linked to the faults it failed on, your insurance would very likely get wind of this and decline your claim on the basis there was a fault you knew of but continued to use the car. Also the plod would know to go straight to the fault given the data they have.

[gadgetgricey]

So to summarize.

 

The MOT fail proves that the car is unsafe to drive and you will be prosecuted if you do, but the car still has a valid MOT test...

 

Getting back to the original RAV4, the new owner could happily drive this round for a few months thinking "correctly" that the MOT expires jan 2016

 

Confused of Dudley....

[scaryoldcortina]

I've done some more digging and can't find anything to back up the story. I did discover that George Osborne announced in the budget that he's planning to make first MoT due at 4 years instead of 3 to help motorists save money. Presumably on tyres and bulbs.

[sierraman]

I'd err on the side of caution. Explaining to the cops at the side of the road that they can't prosecute for clapped out tyres you as you've got 3 months test left, won't cut much ice.

[Pillock]

So to summarize.

 

The MOT fail proves that the car is unsafe to drive and you will be prosecuted if you do, but the car still has a valid MOT test...

 

Getting back to the original RAV4, the new owner could happily drive this round for a few months thinking "correctly" that the MOT expires jan 2016

 

Confused of Dudley....

 

Well yeah.... the newer MOT has told you that your car is unroadworthy, and you should get it fixed. Hence if you have an accident and the police find it happened because of your unroadworthy car, you're liable to prosecution. They can't seemingly withdraw the older test result, but they will log the newer fail on the system. The older result merely says they tested it in Jan 2015, it was fine on that day, and it needs testing again on Jan 2016 - facts that are still true.

 

It's only the same as someone telling you you've got three bald tyres, no headlamps and you're leaking brake fluid. They don't invalidate your MOT but you're a spanner if you drive it around knowing about it.

[rantingYoof]

I don't have my own copy of the latest issue of Car Mechanics to hand, but I believe that the editorial column says that a recent change means that a failed MOT invalidates the previous one no matter how long it had to run, meaning that you can't get the faults fixed, run around until the old one's up and get it tested then.

 

This is the impression I was under as I sat in a garage nervously waiting for a £30 MOT test to be completed on my noisy-flywheel Saab 9-3 Aero that-had-just-scraped-emissions-last-time (I hoooooned it on the way to the MOT test) which had three months left to run but I was MOTing it so I could sell it with 12 months test on it instead of three.

 

Very nervously waiting.

 

 

It passed with one minor advisory. Something to do with brakes. Warped discs. I don't know. Nothing massively important at all. Nope.

[Lacquer Peel]

I'd err on the side of caution. Explaining to the cops at the side of the road that they can't prosecute for clapped out tyres you as you've got 3 months test left, won't cut much ice.

That's nothing new.

[captain_70s]

I've done some more digging and can't find anything to back up the story. I did discover that George Osborne announced in the budget that he's planning to make first MoT due at 4 years instead of 3 to help motorists save money. Presumably on tyres and bulbs.

My old Toyota Yaris failed it's first MOT for the headlight aim being high on both lights. Presumably it had been like that from the factory and never spotted.

 

More importantly if you MOT your car early and it fails will the automated system then mean it flags up as having no MOT on Plod's fancy numberplate reading cameras? Surely if you fail an MOT and the garage says it'll take three days for parts to arrive or something you'll then be without transport for however long it takes to get it repaired. Unless you're a quality shitter and have 12 other cars anyway, unless your a REALLY quality shitter in which case all of those cars will be more fucked than the one stuck at the garage.

[Richard]

Surely if you fail an MOT and the garage says it'll take three days for parts to arrive or something you'll then be without transport for however long it takes to get it repaired.

 

Or if you fail an MOT on Saturday morning and fix the fault on Saturday afternoon. Are you supposed to keep the car off the road until the test station opens on Monday? They can stick that up their arse for nothing and fuck off while they're doing it.

[scaryoldcortina]

Maybe (and I accept I'm using common sense here...) they are talking about a fail marked DANGEROUS. There are plenty of faults that will fail a MoT without making the vehicle unroadworthy under the RTA. I find it hard to believe that anyone would think it sensible to put a car off the road just because the rubber boot has fallen apart on an otherwise servicable ball joint, or the ABS light is on but the brakes work fine.

[rantingYoof]

My understanding was more simple than that.

 

My car gets MOT on 1st January 2015. Expiry date on 1st January 2016.

 

II decide to MOT car on September 25th. Car fails MOT. Car now does not have a valid MOT and needs to have a valid MOT put on it before I can drive it again. Previous MOT is irrelevant.

 

Car can only be driven home from from and back to a garage to have the new MOT undertaken.

Car passes MOT on September 26th 2015. Expiry date on September 26th 2016.

[Pillock]

Or if you fail an MOT on Saturday morning and fix the fault on Saturday afternoon. Are you supposed to keep the car off the road until the test station opens on Monday? They can stick that up their arse for nothing and fuck off while they're doing it.

That depends if your MOT expired on the Saturday. If it didn't, and you were getting it tested early then you carry on using it and get it retested before the expiry date.

If it expired Saturday and you fix it Sunday then yes, you need to wait till Monday to get it tested and that needs to be a pre-booked test.