Brand new shite - wud u?

[stripped fred]

The problem I have is that on the odd occasion that I do drive or travel in a newish car I find it boring. I like my cars to have lived a bit, to have a tale to tell, to have some character. A bit like people I suppose. New cars just don't excite me and I would always be thinking of the depreciation. Also, they may not need quite as much attention as on older car but when they do go wrong they cost you big time although you do have the warranty if they don't try to wriggle out of any claim. Vauxhall also don't have the best reputation for reliability and customer satisfaction either as shown in the JD power survey for instance so if it had to be new I would look elsewhere.

 

http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/2013-jd-power-customer-satisfaction-survey-full-manufacturer-results

[dollywobbler]

The simple reason against buying new is I'd hate to be stuck with something I didn't like. Seriously, very few cars have ever appealed as a long term prospect. At least they're cheap enough to just flog again and repeat.

Even though I'm fascinated by electric, I very much doubt I'd buy new, even if I could afford it.

Old cars can be ace if the god are kind.

[DodgyBastard]

In a word no. 

[Cavcraft]

From what I've seen of the Cactus already they have it the wrong way round, as the pricks seem to be on the inside. Plus, who really wants a car with 1980's double bed headboards glued to the sides?

[derskine]

Absolutely not.

[stripped fred]

I saw a cactus yesterday and I did a double take. It was nice to see something stand out from the crowd. I'm not sure it well sell that well though but I could be wrong, often am. If it had a Mini badge they'd sell loads.

[Jerzy Woking]

The simple reason against buying new is I'd hate to be stuck with something I didn't like. Seriously, very few cars have ever appealed as a long term prospect.

 

 I purchased a VW T5 as I needed a van for my motorbike addiction, and my T4 was no longer allowed to drive within the M25. I still have it because I have 9 months finance left on it (I got it on a 2.4% APR deal). It has been reliable with only an (expensive) ECU throwing a wobbly. I was fed up with it within 6 months, great that it is to drive. My motorbikes are no different-buy them, ride them for a couple of months, get fed up with them, move them on.

[eddyramrod]

being full time employed and working a 6 day week.

You say 6 day week like it's exceptional!  In my experience, if you can get away with only doing 6 days you've scored.

 

New cars may not need quite as much attention as on older car but when they do go wrong they cost you big time

This!

 

We did actually buy a new car once, in 2006.  MrsR was driving a PT Cruiser at the time, and despite the many reasons we loved it, she was finding it hard to park, it being rather bulbous.  Quite a lot of it is invisible from the driver's seat, especially if you're not tall.  So she decided she wanted something brand new, and we started looking around.  We ended up ordering a base-model five-door Suzuki Ignis 1.3, which cost us the PT and I think about £600, because I specified a towbar.  And you know what?  We both liked it.  It was fun to drive and she could see to park it because it was a simple squared shape with upright seating.  We kept it right up until we left for Cyprus in 2009, whereupon we gave it to her daughter, who promptly gave it to her mother-in-law.

 

I don't like having a lot of money "invested" in a car, but you can trip yourself up with the cheap stuff, or at least I can.  Remember the tale of two Chevrolets, a couple of years ago!  We still have the Tacuma and both still like it, but I'm aware there's a whole two grand in it, so I want a few more years out of it yet!  That was six years old already when we took it on.

 

Would I buy new now?  Unlikely.  Definitely not on finance!  If I was waving cash about I might possibly be tempted by a van, as they are suffering less than cars from technology-overload, or perhaps one of the last few Defenders.  We are looking round at Motability prospects for MrsR, for when the Tacuma outlives its usefulness, but it seems awfully hard to find a suitably-capacious petrol automatic.  Ford B Max appears to be the best option so far, and that will be noticeably smaller.

[Lacquer Peel]

Yes I would.

 

http://www.suzuki.co.nz/Automotive/Farm+Worker/Farm+Worker+Multi+Purpose+4X4/

 

http://www.ikco.ir/en/Product.aspx?ID=43&Section=1&Series=Peugeot+405

 

http://www.toyota.com.au/landcruiser-70-series

[captain_70s]

You say 6 day week like it's exceptional!  In my experience, if you can get away with only doing 6 days you've scored.

Only due to contractual agreements with the company my company supplies I assure you! Only allowed to work 6 consecutive days or Walmart (of all fucking people) consider it against my human rights!

[dugong]

I've just read the first post again, £20,000 for a Kia!? What!!!! I thought they were only about £10k!? Who is buying them at that price?

This is what I don't understand about Korean cars. I thought the whole USP of Kias and Hyundais was that they were cheaper than every equivalent car in the segment ?

 

Yeah - blah blah 7 years warranty (which they'd still wriggle out of if something serious went) and good finance (it'd have to be spectacular) blah blah you're so negative I just want a nice car nothing you own is nice gibber gibber gibber.

[Hendry]

I would and have bought a brand new car. Not deliberately you understand, I'd had my old Clio 3 years and was bored of it, the finance was paid off tbh it waa cheap, tinny french crap whuxh i waa considering changing anyway and it was going to need an mot and service, the tax was due, 2 tyres, timing belt kitz water pump and aux belt kit, plus some droplinks, ball joints, track rod ends, all the suspension consumables, so rather than spunk £5/600 on it just to trade it in later anyway I went looking at new cars, I was looking at 2/3year old Seat Ibiza/Leon diesels, went to local retail park for a look as theres a dealership for almost every volume manufacturer there, saw new Corsa, really liked the look and interior of it, liked how it drove so decided to get one, I'd have been happy with a 2/3 year old one but with it being a new model it wasn't even out 6 months, and oddly a pretty reg was the same price as a new one so I took a new one, after a £1650 deposit its £235 a month for 48months compared with my last car which was £178 a month for 39months with similar deposit and it was 30months old when oi bought it. So its less than £60 more a month, I needed something trouble free due to limited income meaning I wouldn't have had a lot of money spare for repairs to an older car, I needed a set costs I could budget for each month. It worked out better than PCP as that was £160 a month over 48months, a balloon payment of £4750 at the end (no way was I apunking that on a car each month to have to pay 4k plus at the end as well) PCP had a mileage limit, and my payment includes servicing, breakdown cover, 3 year warranty, and £30 a year tax, plus some features I wanted like USB, cruise and digital radio, it has good fuel economy for a petrol without the potential modern diesel disaster issues like dmf, inlet manifolds and injector issues etc. And I needed something dependable for the odd shifts I work. Plus I wanted something modern, I'm not going to bother trying to convince the shiteists on here about new cars, but it works for me.

[Tetleysmooth]

I have never ever had a new car.

The most I have ever paid for a car is £1250, that was in '87 when I bought a 1981 Opel Senator.

 

But, I really like the look of the new Hyundai i40.

[Alan_Green]

Not a brand new car, no. That makes no sense.  But my 1.5 yr old Kia Venga Diesel cost £7,250. (It's a similar size/shape as the Golf 5 it replaced). I'll sell at 7 yrs/100K when the warranty expires for, say, £1,500. That's £87 per month! No repair bills. Reliable. Air con. 50mpg. £30 road tax. £150 p/y insurance (for me). 

 

I also have tat on the side,which I enjoy, but my wife has to get to work and the kids have to get to wherever without a breakdown.  I reckon £87 p/m is about as low a cost/convenience trade-off as is possible.

 

Van prices are funny though. New 2015 Citroen Dispatches are £10K + vat. Used ones hardly any lower. Even at auction.

 

A used 1.25 petrol Picanto would be even cheaper. Fancy that next.

[Ghosty]

The mother and I looked briefly at new Picantos and Fiat 500s as they were just about in our price bracket for her new car. Thing is, the Kia just wasn't nice - the base model felt like it had seat covers made out of recycled bin bags, and I honestly don't see why anyone bought such a pitiful quality car. The 500 wasn't comfortable. Oh, and when I folded the seat forward to sit in the back of the showroom demonstrator, the seat stuck in the folded forward position and wouldn't move back. 

She bought a five year old auto Bini on 15k for less than a new auto Picanto instead and the quality is a lot better. It's better built for the most part (there are issues albeit only niggly ones) from quailty feeling parts and probably as reliable. 

 

Same principle for shite - older higher quality products can be much cheaper than newer ones purely through ageism - but I'd much rather a nicer old car than a boring new one. 

[Lord Sterling]

I'm not adverse to new cars but I don't think I'd buy one brand new, maybe a year or a couple of years old, when they've been slightly run in a bit.

[Junkman]

A new car?

You mean a car built after 1986?

 

I just had a terrible nightmare.

[warren t claim]

I'm considering it for work. Not an Insignia though obviously.

[gordonbennet]

To be honest all modern mass produced european cars are about as interesting as watching paint dry, and having three totally reliable and interesting vehicles to use losing between them all a fraction of the depreciation of one new car i wouldn't want anyway means the answer is no.

[Mr Lobster]

Yeh, I've nothing against new cars. I'm not sure I'd buy a brand new one when a six month old is much cheaper though. Certainly wouldn't buy an Insignia though.

I tend to hang onto cars for a while to get my monies worth out of them though. My daily (04 Seat Toledo 20vt) has been in my life just over eight years now and I'm still happy with it although it's at the point where throwing massive amounts of money at if something serious went wrong isn't viable.

But if I had to change it then I'd probably end up with something less than two years old or so and repeat the process of running it to 150k or whatever.

[Cavcraft]

I'm currently quite close to chopping the Fiesta in for something 2010-ish. Looking at the lower price range second hand Insignias, it seems all the diesels have been to the moon and back mileage wise, so a petrol probably a better option for me.

[purplebargeken]

I bought my i10 new in 2011 so it was the updated one. It is auto, comes with PAS, lecky window, AC and probably some other shite. OTR was 8,800 squids. It is nippy, comfy, easy as fuck to drive and has been 99.9999999% reliable. I've had to buy a headlight bulb for it - and that is it.

 

The 'new' i10 has arrived and buying a comparible spec car now sees nearly 11 grand. No fecking way! If I had to buy new I would also do a Wuvvum and buy a Dacia.

 

Insignia....... looks quite smart tbh, never seen inside of one so can't say. I'd buy one that is a couple of years old though.

[fraser.innes.3]

Let someone else take the depreciation. Just bought the missus a 2011 bmw 120d msport convertible for just shy of 15k. Original bill of sale shows that some mug paid 33k for it.

[Mr Lobster]

I like the Dacia range, I'd seriously look at one if I was buying a new car. 

 

The only trouble is, the stuff they do that I really like - Dokker, Logan saloon isn't available here and I do worry that as I do rather like something with reasonable fastness that I might consider them to be a bit slow.

 

If they would bring the RenaultSport version of the Sandero to the UK I'd be financing myself up to order one tomorrow though.

[DodgyBastard]

I would and have bought a brand new car. Not deliberately you understand, I'd had my old Clio 3 years and was bored of it, the finance was paid off tbh it waa cheap, tinny french crap whuxh i waa considering changing anyway and it was going to need an mot and service, the tax was due, 2 tyres, timing belt kitz water pump and aux belt kit, plus some droplinks, ball joints, track rod ends, all the suspension consumables, so rather than spunk £5/600 on it just to trade it in later anyway I went looking at new cars, I was looking at 2/3year old Seat Ibiza/Leon diesels, went to local retail park for a look as theres a dealership for almost every volume manufacturer there, saw new Corsa, really liked the look and interior of it, liked how it drove so decided to get one, I'd have been happy with a 2/3 year old one but with it being a new model it wasn't even out 6 months, and oddly a pretty reg was the same price as a new one so I took a new one, after a £1650 deposit its £235 a month for 48months compared with my last car which was £178 a month for 39months with similar deposit and it was 30months old when oi bought it. So its less than £60 more a month, I needed something trouble free due to limited income meaning I wouldn't have had a lot of money spare for repairs to an older car, I needed a set costs I could budget for each month. It worked out better than PCP as that was £160 a month over 48months, a balloon payment of £4750 at the end (no way was I apunking that on a car each month to have to pay 4k plus at the end as well) PCP had a mileage limit, and my payment includes servicing, breakdown cover, 3 year warranty, and £30 a year tax, plus some features I wanted like USB, cruise and digital radio, it has good fuel economy for a petrol without the potential modern diesel disaster issues like dmf, inlet manifolds and injector issues etc. And I needed something dependable for the odd shifts I work. Plus I wanted something modern, I'm not going to bother trying to convince the shiteists on here about new cars, but it works for me.

 

Going by those calculations you could have bought 5 decent older cars, insured and taxed them for less a month and not have a fucking Corsa. 

[406V6]

I've had several new cars over the years and it's a good feeling to have a warranty to pick up repair costs for faults (not wear & tear). The Insignia looks to be good value for such a large car if that's what you want. When I had a 1.8 SRi hire car for a few days I thought it was gutless and not particularly good on fuel (no better than my V6 auto doing the same sort of touring motoring) but it cruised well on the motorway and was tolerably comfortable. It did feel big though - bigger than it actually was - whereas my Peugeot feels so light of foot and easy to manoevure.

[DodgyBastard]

Let someone else take the depreciation. Just bought the missus a 2011 bmw 120d msport convertible for just shy of 15k. Original bill of sale shows that some mug paid 33k for it.

 

Well fucking done! But you appear to have logged onto the wrong forum. This is the one you were looking for http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/

[fraser.innes.3]

Lol my shite is a 2001 megane convertible. With a knackered roof that I rolled 4 years ago. Can't help that the wife does not like chod. I am also in the process of buying a 1967 anglia, as I fancy a car that was built on the year I was born.

[Lacquer Peel]

I don't think any of my shitty old cars have cost me nearly £3000 a year before fuel, tax and insurance.

 

I can understand why people want a car they can rely on, but you could buy the best example of an unfashionable car for -/+ £1k and it'd probably be totally reliable. Even buying a new car isn't a guarantee of reliability, and you're tied to dealers that are basically just finance shops with a poor man's Kwik Fit tacked on.

[sierraman]

I'm currently quite close to chopping the Fiesta in for something 2010-ish. Looking at the lower price range second hand Insignias, it seems all the diesels have been to the moon and back mileage wise, so a petrol probably a better option for me.

The diesel variant does not have a good reputation for reliability so petrol way to go