Chevrolet Aveo 2012, engine knocking

[Split_Pin]

Our Chevy, with the 1.2 pez Ecotec engine, has started knocking from the top end when started from cold.

 

A few seconds I could understand but this goes on for several minutes. 24439 miles, oil always kept topped up, changed every 1 year or 10k.

 

This isn't normal is it?

[jonathan_dyane]

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oW1L9-GTOTc

[crapcarcollector]

Knocking or tapping?

 

Knock usually comes from the bottom end, tapping from the top, but no, I would have thought that wasn't right. I take it Chevy have fucked off home now, leaving you and the rest of their customers in the shite? Vauxhall dealer?   

[Vince70]

My Neighbours Golf sounds the same ( tapping not knocking ) for a minute or two when its first started and you would think it was a Diesel and his is regularly serviced and low mileage etc and driven very sedately but it only started a couple of years after he bought it new and it's now 12 years old.

 

I put it down to sticky Hydrallic tappets from lack of use as my old car did this and it was basically lack of use which caused it on mine as I would only do about 2000 miles a year.

But I found that changing the oil more often then letting the car warm up and giving it an Italian tune up normally cured it.

[crapcarcollector]

My Neighbours Golf sounds the same for a minute or two when its first started and you would think it was a Diesel and his is regularly serviced and low mileage etc and driven very sedately but it only started a couple of years after he bought it new and it's now 12 years old.

 

I put it down to sticky Hydrallic tappets from lack of use as my old car did this and it was basically lack of use which caused it on mine as I would only do about 2000 miles a year.

But I found that changing the oil more often then letting the car warm up and giving it an Italian tune up normally cured it.

 

 

Yup, thrash it. Kill or cure....

[Split_Pin]

Definitely a tapping sound, not a knocking. Once the warranty is out, I'll change the oil every 5k as per my other cars, hope that might help.

[crapcarcollector]

Tapping is probably just the Hydraulic Tappets, I shouldn't worry too much. A thrash would actually probably help, some may say an engine flush would cure. I wouldn't In my experience they just dislodge shit that blocks something else then kills the motor anyway. 

[HH-R]

Do these just have the Z12XE or whatever GM Ecotec?

[Hendry]

Definitely a tapping sound, not a knocking. Once the warranty is out, I'll change the oil every 5k as per my other cars, hope that might help.

I'd be getting it straight in to Vardys or Arnies or whichever Vauxhall dealers still have the after sales Chevy franchise for servicing and warranty work and insisting they do something about it, whilst its still them footing the bill and not you.

[Split_Pin]

It's Frasers of Falkirk, who are now Ssangyong. I'll get them to have a look but I'll try and get a video of the noise to e mail to them.

 

Engine, including the bay layout and ancillaries, are identical to my mum's 13 plate Corsa.

[Split_Pin]

Update.

 

Flipping peen_wad Chevrolet are 96.3% likely to tell me to FRO on this one.

 

TBF Frasers were very upfront about everything. They said that they could strip it down, take my servicing paper work and the send the whole investigation off to GM.

If I lose the case, I will have to pay all the costs for this.

 

However, as a tapping engine could be attributable to a servicing issue unless I have a mega itemised receipt showing that GM this, that and the other were used, together with part/serial numbers for each, then I don't have a case to say that the engine is faulty. Of course, having it serviced by my local garage means that whilst I have a stamp in the service book, a receipt and shitloads of tippex on every part of the engine touched during the procedure, it proves SFA as far as the manufacturer is concerned.

 

So, I am just going to change the oil myself every 6 months like my other cars and see if that helps. However, does anyone know where I stand with handing the car back. Sept 12 ourchase means I'm past the half way point of the 5 year agreement.

[Hendry]

I'm not 100% but I was under the impression from past finance agreements that you could hand the car back at ANY time after you'd paid half, as long as you get to the halfway point and have kept all payments up to date there nothing more to pay providing you've taken reasonable care of the goods and there no damage other than acceptable wear and tear.

 

Check your finance agreement for clarification. And despite the dealers being useless this is why when I buy a sub 3 year old car I always buy one with main dealer history and keep it main dealer serviced until warranty is up, then if you have mechanical issues you want covered on warrantt you don't have to have receipts, lists of part numbers etc. You say you put it into the main dealers as you assumed they'd do it all correctly and with the correct parts. However a manufacturer can't refuse to honour warranty on faulty parts because its been serviced outside dealer network with non genuine parts, as long as the book is stamped by a vat regd garage and the parts used were OE quality then you are OK, wasn't this the whole point of block exemption to prevent manufacturers not honouring warranty commitments because their agent didn't do the maintenance.

[Split_Pin]

See I thought that too on your last point. If I can hand it back then I will be doing exactly that. No wonder Chevrolet pulled out of the UK, piss poor.

[cort16]

Only if it's an hp purchase and the car is in decent condition.

[Split_Pin]

Yes its HP, 5 years and then the car is mine. Car is vgc. I'll go into that Martin Lewis website and find out what the craic is.

[Split_Pin]

Right, seems handing back is summed up as the following:

 

1. Nothing present legally to stop me doing it.

2. Finance companies hate it and will make it a right ballache to see through.

3. My credit rating will be fine but it will be recorded that I have form for not fulfilling finance agreements.

[cort16]

Aye they hate it but the clause was put in there to protect customers so fuckem. Technically you're doing nothing wrong.

[Volksy]

I really would not like to be paying an Aveo off over five years. Surely its better sense to give it back or get them to fix it. 

[Cheezey]

Slight tangent, I was driving past Frasers last week and realised it wasn't Chevrolet any more.

 

From memory they have been Lada, Seat(they put go faster stripes/coach lines on all of the Seats they sold for some reason), Suzuki, Chevrolet and now Ssangyong. Pretty certain I've miss one or two.

[Cavcraft]

Haven't Chevrolet have pulled out of the UK now?

 

Ian: isn't there a ruling now that as long as the car was serviced using genuine parts, then the warranty has to stand. It's probably worth a call to Trading Standards or CAB to confirm/deny this, though if you can give the car back that sounds ideal.

[Split_Pin]

I had it serviced by my local VAT approved garage so unless GM oil was used then its apparently no good. Even if they used the best Castrol magnatec or whatever.

 

I've got 2.5 years left to go so might just be as well to pay it off as otherwise I will have form for not paying stuff of and won't ne likely to get tick again.

 

Frasers are now Ssangyong, I can't see how those things will sell!

[crapcarcollector]

Not sure on that one, doesn't the oil just need to meet or exceed the manufacturer specification, which in this case should be any old shit from ASDA.

[Split_Pin]

I agree but I think proving that just isn't wirth the hassle and potential cost to me. If Chevy say no theres probs sfa that I can do except have a car with a 500 quid or so bill that will ne exactly the same as before.

 

I will not be buying anything else made by GM Korea in the future.

[Hendry]

Slight tangent, I was driving past Frasers last week and realised it wasn't Chevrolet any more.

From memory they have been Lada, Seat(they put go faster stripes/coach lines on all of the Seats they sold for some reason), Suzuki, Chevrolet and now Ssangyong. Pretty certain I've miss one or two.

I don't think you've missed any out, that's how I remember what they sold as well, theyve made a few poor choices though, Seat went in 2002 I think, which was when Seat had just completed a decent range of basically VWs with different badges, half decent stuff like mk3 Ibiza's, Leon's and mk2 Toledos, etc. Then they were with Suzuki until I think 2014 and Suzuki were beginning to improve their sales, starting to produce better selling cars of better quality like the new Swift, SX4 S-Cross etc now its at the crowded Ian Grieves Subaru/Isuzu/Jeep/Chrysler, whilst they moved to Chevy which most big dealer groups had already got shot of due to poor sales and then they pull out of Europe, not a great decision by Frasers who are now trying to flog a dead horse with these shit SsangYongs. Although I think they are now the last remaining dealer in the Archers group since Airdrie Suzuki closed and Edinburgh Hyundai was sold to Macklin plus their other dealer closures over the years (Leith Edinburgh, and Carntyne and Langside Glasgow dealers)

[Jim Bergerac]

At least they're not taking an MG fran... Oh.

[Split_Pin]

Tbh they are mainly a used car dealer now which will obviously prop up the sales of the Ssangyongs. They still make the Rhodios or whatever its called. There is one in their showroom just now.

[Pillock]

Although your credit rating isn't affected by a handing back, you're right in saying it's noted and can be seen by future lenders who will naturally be a bit nervous.

 

Also, they can ask for the car to be in the exact same condition which is the other way they'll get more money - charge through the nose for every scratch and mark.

 

It was this that led me to take my Focus to a car buying service instead of handing it back. Disguise the faults, get rid, pay the finance off.

[Hendry]

Tbh they are mainly a used car dealer now which will obviously prop up the sales of the Ssangyongs. They still make the Rhodios or whatever its called. There is one in their showroom just now.

 

Rodius? The uber ugly 7 seater thing? We had one at my work (replacement cars for accidents type place) and couldn't wait to get rid of it to another depot, absolutely awful thing, horrid, cheaply built crap, but not actually all that cheap to buy, reminded me a lot of Kias from 20 years ago, quite possibly the only car I've ever driven which needed parking sensors at the back due to its odd shape, large overhang etc and yet one of few modern large cars to not have them, it was faulty from day 1, the interior lights were on permanently no matter what position the switches were in, draining the battery, and the stereo wouldn't power on, wax on the radio fuse or some rubbish, local dealer - Henrys - they of the Skoda and Honda dealerships in Glasgow too - have like 4 staff, 2 mechanics, a service and parts guy and 1 salesman and the place is tiny, they converted it from their Honda pdi workshop and it shares the site with Henrys cars under £5000 pitch, and that's the only dealer in the whole of Glasgow, Renfrewshire, Lanarkshire and Ayrshire, so clearly SsangYong don't expect the cars to sell well or have much ambition for them.

 

Although your credit rating isn't affected by a handing back, you're right in saying it's noted and can be seen by future lenders who will naturally be a bit nervous.

Also, they can ask for the car to be in the exact same condition which is the other way they'll get more money - charge through the nose for every scratch and mark.

It was this that led me to take my Focus to a car buying service instead of handing it back. Disguise the faults, get rid, pay the finance off.

They can't do that, as long as the car is in good condition allowing for fair wear and tear they can't charge for every mark and scratch or you've got reason to refuse to pay for this "damage" or extra charges they try to impose, same with leased cars, the BVRLA have the same policy so people/companies cant get penalised for unavoidable wear and marks, you should see the state of some of the cars weve had was rentals that have been due for defleet and the contract hire or leasing company get Manheim, British Car auctions or SMA in to check, inspect and collect the cars and thevyve been pretty scruffy but they've had to mark no damage as the scruffiness can be construed as wear and tear. Even kerbed and scuffed wheels and dents on paintwork are OK providing they are under a certain size, sometimes the "inspectors" put this on their damage printout whixh gives a breakdown of costs of damage repairs they will report back to the lease company for our company to be charged and we've got to point out this stuff is acceptable. Sometimes they even put down "missed" first service and a £150 charge even though we can prove its been done via receipts and maintenance printouts but because the book isn't stamped they try to charge (some lease company's keep the service books along with spare keys and even the owners manual and don't release them to us until its defleet time and they are to be repatriated to the cars at that point)