Another MOT question

[Bren]

I have a nice three spoke steering wheel to go on my SD1 in place of the original item that is only good for rubbing your legs.

 

The mountney wheel has no lugs to cancel the indicators, where as the original one does, but they are part of the boss.

 

If the cancel facility is removed does it means I cannot have a ticket?

[saucedoctor]

Doubt it. Don't some Citroen's go without a self-canceller?

 

Edit: I just had a read at the VOSA pdf, and there's nothing in it about self-cancellers (unless I missed it). Stuff about the tell tale, flashes per minute etc. The word "cancel" doesn't appear anywhere in the document, according to Search.

[forddeliveryboy]

No, unless a tester is of the sort who would try and fail it on the basis that they're not working as intended originally.

 

Btw, what does it say about a tell-tale indicator? I've always thought an audible warning was sufficient?

[richardmorris]

Only recent (1990s on ) Citroens have cancelling indicators. Non-cancelling are a lot better really as you turn them on when you want and off when you want - not when you're half way round the roundabout and have to put them on again.

2CVs as standard don't have an indicator tell tale bulb - they rely on the clacking of the relay to be audible. They do however have all the wiring ready to plug in a green bulb but citroen couldn't be bothered to spend the extra franc to do so.

[EssDeeWon]

I have a nice three spoke steering wheel to go on my SD1 in place of the original item that is only good for rubbing your legs.

 

The mountney wheel has no lugs to cancel the indicators, where as the original one does, but they are part of the boss.

 

If the cancel facility is removed does it means I cannot have a ticket?

 

Oh noo Bren! The SD1 steering wheel is GR14 I can never see why someone would swap one for a three spoke wheel. Those three spoke wheels and SD1 interiors are chalk and cheese.

 

Sorry ignore me, I am just a boring SD1 purist

[gordonbennet]

Jesus i wish some bugger would break or remove the self canceller on my MAN lorry, trying to make a turn the bloody thing can self cancel up to half a dozen times before i get anywhere near the soddin junction, end up having to jam the bloody thing on with me third or fourth hand.

 

Much preferred vehicles made before self cancellers gained fashion status.

[forddeliveryboy]

Only recent (1990s on ) Citroens have cancelling indicators. Non-cancelling are a lot better really as you turn them on when you want and off when you want - not when you're half way round the roundabout and have to put them on again.

2CVs as standard don't have an indicator tell tale bulb - they rely on the clacking of the relay to be audible. They do however have all the wiring ready to plug in a green bulb but citroen couldn't be bothered to spend the extra franc to do so.

 

 

Agree, self-cancelling indicators are a pain and there's also no risk of leaving one on, assuming it has cancelled itself.

[Bren]

I have a modern vauxhall - the indicators are truly wank, and have their own agenda.

[sierraman]

The self cancel hasn't worked for about 4 years on our fiesta and its never been refused a test on it

[twosmoke300]

As Bren said , drive a vectra c and you will never complain about any indicators ever again. Although the set up in a TVR Cerbera takes a bit of sussing out

[saucedoctor]

Btw, what does it say about a tell-tale indicator? I've always thought an audible warning was sufficient?

It just says "Tell tale warning device", not specifically a light. Presumably, the, the ticking of the relay is also a "warning device".

 

My Jap-import MVX 250 had a 1 1/2" tell tale with a 5 billion watt bulb in it, and the audible warning was a ridiculous thing as well. Car drivers used to look at me in traffic.

[wuvvum]

 

Much preferred vehicles made before self cancellers gained fashion status.

Self-cancellers have been around for a while.  My 1938 Vauxhall 10 had them.

[wuvvum]

the audible warning was a ridiculous thing as well. Car drivers used to look at me in traffic.

I've had a couple of scooters that did that.  Felt like a right twat sitting at traffic lights sounding like a reversing HGV.

[gordonbennet]

Self-cancellers have been around for a while.  My 1938 Vauxhall 10 had them.

 

Should have made it more clear i was referring to lorries, which didn't really get self cancellers till the foreign junk arrived in the 70's, complete with synchro boxes, its all been downhill since then.

[HH-R]

All Fiats that use this stalk

 

 

Are unbelievably shite too. You want to turn right at a roundabout, it goes:

 

Indicate on approach.

Turn wheel to left a bit to enter roundabout.

Switch on indicator again, hear sickening CRUNCH.

Stop at give way line, indicator stalk won't stay in on position because the wheel is turned.

Pull away, switch indicator on again.

Half way round, switch indicator on again, hear sickening CRUNCH.

Switch off indicator and switch on left indicator.

Cancel left indicator, as it won't self cancel.

 

I don't know what's worse, that they couldn't get something so simple right or that they used them on the Panda/500 5 years after Punto mk2 owners hated them!

[New POD]

There were development engineers, who specialised in getting the self cancelling function right on Lucas switch gear. ( Now TRW automotive) One bloke in his 60's had spent 40 years  and was a self cancel 'expert', the go to man if your switch functions were not passing end of line test, which was an automatic rig that tested the self cancel mechanism.  The 2 years I was involved in the 1998 Clio switch introduction, at Lucas in Burnley, as a manufacturing engineer, involved much time trying to get a reliable torque setting from the self tapping screws holding the switch together, because it is the torque setting that has the most impact on the self cancelling function.

 

If you want to make if less likely to self cancel, tighten up the screws and if you want it to self cancel, clean the grease out, re-grease it, and reassemble with a lower torque.  

[mat_the_cat]

Only recent (1990s on ) Citroens have cancelling indicators.

 

My 1993 BX doesn't. Because I removed the tab which cancels them! I started out on motorbikes, and was forever turning the indicators on after a turn and they'd already cancelled. Good to know I'm not alone in preferring to do some things myself...

[oldford]

The self cancelling function isn't testable.  As long as the switch is secure, the indicators flash between 60 & 120 times a minute, they're the correct colour, side repeaters are fitted (if required) and there is a visual or audible warning, there shouldn't be a MOT problem.

[twosmoke300]

I must admit that dads mk1 bx with the rocker switch non canceling indicators took a bit of getting used to . Even after years on bikes.

[dollywobbler]

I also often remove self-cancelling functions. BX had it with te facelift in 1986. Am considering removing it on the Sirion but the airbag makes me nervous.

[Pillock]

NewPOD, please tell me you're not on a wind-up about the man employed purely on development of the self-cancel mechanism......

[Timewaster]

On a Mountney boss there is usually 2 small holes about 2 or 3 mm that take a roll pin to flick the self cancel.

I also agree that aftermarket wheels in an sd1 look terrible.

like the Queen wearing crocs.

[New POD]

When you take off the airbag, if you have to unplug it, put insulation tape over the connector to stop anything getting in. You need some current to make it go off.

 

Take the switch and file the end off the "striker" . usually a white nylon bit that poke out of the end and is bashed by a feature attached to the steering colum.

[New POD]

Not solely, but these types of people spend so long, trying to get these things right, that over the years they become world experts.  If your company is introducing a new switch every year, and you have become an expert, you can bet that 6 weeks a year you are looking at self cancelling and nothing else.

 

I did once see a job advertised as "rear view mirror design and development engineer"  which has to be worse.