Ultra LEZbians kill shitters

[Guest Breadvan72]

I will go out on a limb and suggest that many London drivers are quite good at the driving racket.  They try to keep moving, and there is give and take at junctions etc.  Making eye contact with another driver often helps.  OK, not with the stabby ones, but they are only in Tooting.  Outside London I see more indecisive driving, and loadsa tailgating and assorted other knobbery.

 

London bus drivers used to be good, but nowadays they get ten minutes training and are paid ten quid a year, so they are not so good.  

 

Cars strangle cities, so chucking them out of the centres would be a good idea, but I doubt that it will happen.   

[Angrydicky]

There's so much quality chod in London, that I really hope this doesn't happen. It will all disappear overnight and the city will become like Dublin, i.e. no chod whatsoever.

[daveb47]

I live about 1/4 mile inside the lez,definately not a city area,my garden backs on to countryside.

When lez came in i had to get rid of my old diesel camper van,which really pissed me off,never  going to be able to afford another mores the pity,not even a petrol one.

So it looks like the same may happen to car  wise.

I fuckin hate Boris and all his vanity schemes.

[Split_Pin]

I really like London and it's ace for millions of things to.

 

I'm not bothered if every city has LEZ's as I hate driving in them and always try to take public transport and then Shank's Pony the rest of the way.

 

If the Govt want to introduce this sort of thing countrywide though then they can prise the keys of my old cars from my cold dead hands.

[Pillock]

I like the tube train. I think it's a great price, a wonderful feat of engineering and you get to see all sorts of "interesting" people.

 

I love driving my car, but London is one of the few places there's a better option.

[Mr Livered]

Personally, if I can't drive into London, I won't go.

 

That's because being in a crowd makes me totally freak out, and being in a tunnel is even worse.

 

No big loss. I used to like London but I got it out of my system. Nowadays Okehampton is a bit too big a metropolis for me.

[trigger]

Those double red lights in the city get me, A few years back I was walking across London Bridge when a silver BMW police car came flying out of the junction at the end near Big Ben, a car had to slam it's brakes on to avoid this BMW and the car behind him rammed him up the arse, as it was double reds either car was allowed to stop so they they had to drive along the bridge to the end with a bent up bonnet and water and steam pissing out of the engine bay.

[Guest Breadvan72]

They were knobs then, because you can stop on a double red line in an emergency.   Poor situational awareness also if they allowed a blue light vehicle to spook them so much that they pranged.

[trigger]

I thought was odd at the time, maybe they didn't understand the laws regarding the red lines, I wouldn't know personally as it's the only time I've ever seen them.

[HMC]

I wouldn't say I dislike London. I Dislike things like where you can or can't drive being over regulated, if it applies to pre 2004 vehicles I would imagine on a day to day basis that's a fairly small percentage.

[Guest Breadvan72]

Common sense should have told the driver that an emergency is a valid basis for stopping, but there is no accounting for fuckwits.

[Mr Lobster]

I can understand the desire to keep cars out of a very central area but the current LEZbian zone covers a very large area so you would hope that these new restrictions won't cover the existing LEZ area.  

 

London has a good public transport system so theres not really any reason to drive in to the very centre, not so for other cities. If something similar was implemented in Manchester or Liverpool it would have a very dramatic and negative effect.

 

Is this not the governments own fault though - as Wuvvum stated this is being pushed onto a fairly willing government because of poor air quality. Is this not the self same air quality that has been reduced by the government pushing people into buying 'clean' small diesel cars through cheap road tax whilst ignoring the fact that whilst they are low CO2 they are still pushing allsorts of other shit out thus decreasing air quality.

[seth]

I hate driving in the countryside because it smells of manure, the roads are slippery and full of tractors doing 5mph,  it takes ages to get anywhere 'cos everything is so remote and there's no streetlights.

[dollywobbler]

I hate driving in the countryside because it smells of manure, the roads are slippery and full of tractors doing 5mph,  it takes ages to get anywhere 'cos everything is so remote and there's no streetlights.

 

I'd rather have the smell of cowshit than get black snot like you do in London. Slippery roads add fun too. It's like being on crossplies. Takes ages to get anywhere? I dunno. When I lived in Birmingham, I had to cross the city centre to get to work. Generally, 45 minutes to travel 12 miles. Then I moved to The Countryside, where I could commute 25 miles in 40 minutes (in the 2CV as well). Apart from the odd terrifying moment provided by deer, my drive to work went from soul-destroying to absolute joy. Plus, I can drive at more than 30mph, legally! Twice that even.

[Mr Livered]

I hate driving in the countryside because it smells of manure, the roads are slippery and full of tractors doing 5mph, it takes ages to get anywhere 'cos everything is so remote and there's no streetlights.

Lol, I think I've been living here too long. I get agaraphobia unless both wing mirrors are brushing the hedgerows and there's a strip of grass in the middle of the road...

[seth]

(I had hoped that it might have been realised that I was simply swaying the balance of some of the other massive generalisations in this thread)

[FredTransit]

WORRIED. I scoffed at the proposal of the LEZ. Yet it came to pass. If this is in 'consultation' it will happen.

Many people get confused between the LEZ (inside the M25) and Congestion Charge (central London). I cant tell if the ULEZ will be the same area as the current LEZ.

My businesses dont have the option of taking the tube. We cant juggle 100s of boxes for a delivery or put a 1980s tipper on a bus! Cant see a Gwizz being too good at towing either....

[chaseracer]

I'd love to see them try it in Belfast. Some petrol powered police vehicles would miss the cutoff by 20 years. Which means we couldn't even have our traditional Massive Riot®TM© about it.

 

I was just leaving Belfast when it all kicked off last August.  I don't think I said anything to offend anyone...

[chaseracer]

I think measures such as this are important to keep the capital's roads clear for the wealthy, who have demonstrated that they are better than us in every way. 

 

If someone needs to drive into London in their Bentley Continental Flying Spur (10mpg urban, 396g/km) to check on their abandoned mansions during their lunch hour from running some shit bank into the ground, then they shouldn't be impeded by some smog belching 2004 Polo (144g/km).

 

Nail.  Head.  Hit.

 

And before anyone starts, this is not the "politics of envy" - I have a Mercedes with which I am very happy - this is the politics of RIGHTEOUS FUCKING ANGER...

[messerschmitt owner]

EU rules on air quality are making them do it - that and the huge 'fine' for not getting the air quality improved. Londoners will suffer but it'll take a few years to work its way through the system and come into force. In the meantime, it will exclude me from London - and that's no bad thing! I work there opnce a month, carring 750kg of tat into the centre - I could hire a van but it's a pain - and expensive and better just to not go.

[FredTransit]

correct MO. Lets just get the fook out of the EU.

[oman5]

I actually rather like central London.from a Tourist perspective (the museums, the old buildings, etc etc) but like hell would I want to drive there especially when public transport is so good (when the tube is not on strike) and in particular the river buses....they are ace!!

[dieselnutjob]

For those of you who say that there is no reason to drive in the centre, you have all missed one major point.

If you aren't already in the centre then you need somewhere outside of the centre to leave your car, and then transfer to public transport.

 

Have you seen the prices of car parking just outside the congestion zone?

 

During the day it makes more sense to leave your car right at the edge of London (or not use it at all if you live there) and use the underground or whatever, but during the evenings or a weekend that makes no sense at all.

 

I am driving into central London on two to three evenings a week, and by car it takes about 25 minutes from Ruislip,  By underground it takes an hour each way and as it gets late it takes longer and eventually stops completely.

 

If this goes to the entire LEZ zone that will be very bad.  All three of my cars old.  This will not be a few old Transits but millions of cars.

 

And what about the 604?  it's not "historic" as it's not old enough so I will be forced to sell it or move

[vulgalour]

If they could charge the same per head for pedestrians as for cars, then maybe the capital would get pedestrianised like so many Northern high streets.

[Station]

This all boils down to the money thing of selling more new cars?

Can I not drive my 3 cylinder 850cc car there anymore? Or does it not weigh up against a brand new 1.4 shit box Pegoeut with an extra cat?

[TimothyClaypole]

Where's London?

 

 

[DSdriver]

Didn't they already do this in Paris? I wonder how they are getting on.

[willswitchengage]

correct MO. Lets just get the fook out of the EU.

 

Isn't one of the internet's first rules not to make blanket and tenuously linked political swipes? Sarcastic or not.

 

LEZs have been implemented extensively across Germany and Northern Italy - the latter being somewhat essential due to its dense population and California-like geography that makes it very susceptible to smog. I don't see why London shouldn't be excluded, but for other British cities, as others have said, the infrastructure and investment just isn't in place. Still pointless though when you see how unregulated Heathrow is, by far the biggest pollution emitter (who's planes emit CO, soot, ozone, NOx and all the nasty things far worse than diesel engines do).

[FredTransit]

Its the EU thats gonna fine us for the air quality. This proposed ULEZ is an attempt to avoid the fines.

They're not fining the USA or China.

The USA and China are not in the EU. Geddit?

[New POD]

As for wanting to go to London, if you can tell me where else in the UK has the quantity and quality of restaurants,pubs,theatres etc Not to mention the museums , historic buildings and general tourist bollocks.

 

Erm, Liverpool. Manchester. Birmingham. Derby. Chester. St Helens. Wigan. Chorley. Skipton. No not Skipton. Leeds. York. Hull. No not Hull. Nottingham. Coventry. Newcastle, Glasgow, Edinburgh, Aberdeen, Cardiff, Bristol,

 

I've been to all these places and experienced good restaurants, pubs, theatres, museums, historical buildings and general tourist bollocks, which proves that we don't NEED London.  I was hoping that Scotish Independence would draw the Border about Oxford.