Old Shaguar or Modern Aldi

[HillmanImp]

I was bored at work just now and reading about the Jag the Betaboy2.0 had bought. It got me thinking about how long it would take you to spend the same money running an old Jag as you would to buy a nice newish modern diseisel simply on fuel consumption.

So I am looking at a Jag XJ8 with an average fuel consumption of 20.25 compared to an Audi A3 dizzler with an average fuel consumption of 42.9 (both figs pulled from fuelly, not sure how accurate they are). I am looking at the prices for a 2010 A3 and I am settling on a price of £15,000 for the car. I am going to spend £1k on the Jag (the one I looked at the other week had been serviced, new chain and gearbox, no rust, 80k and was £900).

Based on current fuel prices of £1.300 for petrol and £1.357 for diesel this works out per gallon at £5.91 and £6.17 per gallon respectively. If you were to do 10,000 miles a year in each car the Jaguar owner would spend £2,918.38 and the Audi driver £1,437.96 per annum on fuel.

If you add this to the cost of the cars and it would take nearly 10 years for the Jaguar drivers total spend on the car and the fuel to exceed that of the Audi driver. At the end of the 9th year you would have spent £27,265 on the Jag compared to £27,942 on the Audi.

But wait I hear you say, what about the other costs of running a big Jag. It will rust and break down so will probably cost more in repairs. What then?

Well, adding into the fact that most people would not keep their Audi more than 5 years, they would be liable to sell the Audi for about £6.5k (about the right price for an 05 or 06 Audi A3?) and buy a new at £15k again it would mean after 10 years of car ownership the Audi driver would have spent £37,880 on cars and fuel compared to the Jaguar drivers £30,184 making a saving of £7,696 which should probably cover a majority of the repairs. On top of that the Audi driver would be due to spend another £8,500 on a new car to replace his 2nd Audi with a new one, spending another £8.5k making the saving for the Jag driver £16,196 before the process starts again.

Out of both of these cars which one would you rather have? Assuming my maths is right* I am planning on showing this to as many people who drive Audi A3s as possible.


*I think its right.........

[RedSparrow]

Old Jag of course. You forgot to take into account the grin factor.

[rml2345]

I reckon the enjoyment* derived from an old Jag is worth at least another £3k...

It makes perfect sense!

[cort16]

Unfortunately most people who drive new TDi Audi's are forced into doing so by "the man" else they'll get Royaly bummed for their company car tax because of the C02.

Given that petrol is cheaper than diesel and most of these direct injections engines now do decent mpg there's really very little in it other than the tax difference.

[ashmicro]

At 900 bills a pop, your 7.6k would replace the Jaaaag quite a few times. Or buy a S type 3.0V6 or a V8 item. Very little goes wrong.

[dollywobbler]

S-Types are starting to look ridiculously cheap. Do they all have electronic handbrakes though? I hate that.

 

Of course, the real answer is to buy neither and get a Citroen BX turbo diesel instead.

[eddyramrod]

Old Jag, every time. No contest whatsoever, even without doing the maths.

[HillmanImp]

On the basis of this, I am able to justify keeping the Audi Coupe I just bought for ages no matter what the fuel economy is like, because it is infinitely cooler and ultimately cheaper to run than my mates new Golf TDi despite its apparent mega MPG.

[John F]

On the basis of this, I am able to justify keeping the Audi Coupe I just bought for ages no matter what the fuel economy is like, because it is infinitely cooler and ultimately cheaper to run than my mates new Golf TDi despite its apparent mega MPG.

 

Yes.

[worldofceri]

Old Jag would be cheaper to insure for most folk too, wouldn't it?

[Spiny Norman]

The idea of spaffing fifteen large of my own hard-earned and ending up with something as utterly hideous and depressing as a Diseasel A3 is enough to make me retch....

[Shep Shepherd]

The idea of spaffing fifteen large of my own hard-earned and ending up with something as utterly hideous and depressing as a Diseasel A3 is enough to make me retch....

 

Same here. Jag all the way for me.

[mk1_4dr]

So by this rationale, I can take the piss out of my bro for chucking money away on his 3year old Vauxhall Signum CDTi whilst Im wafting around in my 30year old 5.2 Chrysler? Awesomes

[Magnificent Rustbucket]

I was bored at work just now and reading about the Jag the Betaboy2.0 had bought. It got me thinking about how long it would take you to spend the same money running an old Jag as you would to buy a nice newish modern diseisel simply on fuel consumption.

 

So I am looking at a Jag XJ8 with an average fuel consumption of 20.25 compared to an Audi A3 dizzler with an average fuel consumption of 42.9 (both figs pulled from fuelly, not sure how accurate they are). I am looking at the prices for a 2010 A3 and I am settling on a price of £15,000 for the car. I am going to spend £1k on the Jag (the one I looked at the other week had been serviced, new chain and gearbox, no rust, 80k and was £900).

 

Based on current fuel prices of £1.300 for petrol and £1.357 for diesel this works out per gallon at £5.91 and £6.17 per gallon respectively. If you were to do 10,000 miles a year in each car the Jaguar owner would spend £2,918.38 and the Audi driver £1,437.96 per annum on fuel.

 

If you add this to the cost of the cars and it would take nearly 10 years for the Jaguar drivers total spend on the car and the fuel to exceed that of the Audi driver. At the end of the 9th year you would have spent £27,265 on the Jag compared to £27,942 on the Audi.

 

But wait I hear you say, what about the other costs of running a big Jag. It will rust and break down so will probably cost more in repairs. What then?

 

Well, adding into the fact that most people would not keep their Audi more than 5 years, they would be liable to sell the Audi for about £6.5k (about the right price for an 05 or 06 Audi A3?) and buy a new at £15k again it would mean after 10 years of car ownership the Audi driver would have spent £37,880 on cars and fuel compared to the Jaguar drivers £30,184 making a saving of £7,696 which should probably cover a majority of the repairs. On top of that the Audi driver would be due to spend another £8,500 on a new car to replace his 2nd Audi with a new one, spending another £8.5k making the saving for the Jag driver £16,196 before the process starts again.

 

Out of both of these cars which one would you rather have? Assuming my maths is right* I am planning on showing this to as many people who drive Audi A3s as possible.

 

 

*I think its right.........

 

Unless you do a lot of city centre driving you will get better economy than 20.25 average mpg on the Jag. My XJ40 does a lot better than that - at least 22-23-ish in mixed driving, and the V8 is supposed to be slightly better on petrol than the AJ6. The secret of running a Jag cheaply is to spend slightly over the odds when you buy it, I reckon. The good cars will work out much cheaper overall if you planned to keep it any length of time.

Insurance will be very cheap on the Jag - mine is.

[HillmanImp]

So by this rationale, I can take the piss out of my bro for chucking money away on his 3year old Vauxhall Signum CDTi whilst Im wafting around in my 30year old 5.2 Chrysler? Awesomes

 

Exactly. When he is laughing at you filling up at the petrol station you can roll down the window to reveal the high class hooker you were able to afford with the money you made not buying a Signum.

 

Also driving the Chrysler you could make a bit of extra cash by pimping her.

[eddyramrod]

So by this rationale, I can take the piss out of my bro for chucking money away on his 3year old Vauxhall Signum CDTi whilst Im wafting around in my 30year old 5.2 Chrysler? Awesomes

 

Precisely what I used to do, with a choice of 22-year-old Volvo or 46-year-old Cadillac, compared to my stepson's choice of brand new Golf GTi. He will have dropped more money trading it in on his current Blue Lotion thing than both of mine together cost me, cumulatively. And I had the Volvo three years, and gave it away. I still won financially, having spent (on both) a fraction of the initial outlay he did.

[Lankytim]

Nobody has mentioned the "middle" option, buy a 10 year old turbodiesel Vectra or something for 2k, surely that would be cheapest option out of the lot? Rock bottom price but decent fuel economy...

[eddyramrod]

Extra points for misery there! No, the question is, is it worth having some old luxobarge? As far as I'm concerned, the answer will always be a resounding YES!

 

Says the man bringing a Metro van all the way from Cyprus.....

[HillmanImp]

Nobody has mentioned the "middle" option, buy a 10 year old turbodiesel Vectra or something for 2k, surely that would be cheapest option out of the lot? Rock bottom price but decent fuel economy...

 

Shhhhh! I am trying to justify owning a fuel guzzling car here.

 

I suppose the reason I looked at this was that because people are supposedly getting these great MPGs out of cars I was wondering if there was a tipping point where I would consider taking the plunge and owning one. On this basis I would say no, I would much rather have an old, too kool for skool gas guzzler that essentially cost less over several years of ownership than the modern frugal eurobox.

[eddyramrod]

Good for you! I'm right with you!

[HillmanImp]

Says the man bringing a Metro van all the way from Cyprus.....

 

Why don't you tow the Granada over with the Metro?

[ashmicro]

A wee bit of advice about S Types - when you're test driving one/any, listen for knocks/clonks etc from the suspension. It's not that they're especially prone to this sort of thing, but such is the design of the suspension that even a knackered one will drive pretty well. My own was a 3.0v6 and aside from a slight water leak into the boot, nowt went wrong. My Dad had an S Type R at the time, and he had no probs either (aside from murderous fuel consumption and an insatiable appetite for tyres and brakes)

 

Much as I like my X Type, it's probably not what you're looking for in this case. Compared to the S Type, it's quite small. Goes bloody well though and parts are seriously dirt cheap, eg, I bust one of my fog lights (and the bracket of the other one). Full fog light from the dealer was less than £30, and the bracket I busted was just over £2. A gas damper for the tailgate of my old X Type estate wasn't even 5 quid from the dealer. I was having a perusal of service bits for my Dad's XF-R as the warranty is up soon, and even they're not too pricey .

[Pete-M]

Absolutely no contest. As long as you buy a properly maintained Jag it'll be far more enjoyable than any piddling TDi repmobile.

 

Other than £100 worth of basic home servicing, my XJR cost me £0 in maintenance over the first 18 months. Other than the cd changer going a bit wibbly nothing went wrong with it. Ok, it will need a few hundred quid throwing at it in the near future as the rear shocks are past their best (R's have Bilstein shocks). Ok, it's shit on fuel around town doing 11-14 mpg realistically, but it'll do 25 on a run if you keep well away from the loud pedal. I get 21-22 mpg on a run from it driving it in a "bugger the fuel bills" stylee.

 

 

No A4 looks and feels anywhere near as good as a 330 bhp Jag, and I don't care what anyone says, turbodiseasel torques aren't as much fun as supercharged 4.0 petrol ones.

 

S-types are cheap for a reason, they're a fair bit more of a liability than a good XJ.

[Lankytim]

I *should* have a decent Saab 95 turbo auto coming soon... No idea how long i'm going to keep it, but all this talk of leather, walnut and deep pile carpet is getting me really in the mood for it!

[HillmanImp]

I *should* have a decent Saab 95 turbo auto coming soon... No idea how long i'm going to keep it, but all this talk of leather, walnut and deep pile carpet is getting me really in the mood for it!

 

It must be me getting old but thats what I am feeling the love for at the moment. A bit more luxury. Maybe some electrics. I know keep fit windows are the reason I have the toned phisique that all the ladies love but I am actually quite enjoying having electric windows again.

[scooters]

luxury is the way forward -

 

even consideing owning an A3 Tdi results in a large smegma leaking penis to erupt from the centre of one's forehead to flop about in front of the eyes until the car is eventually sold to another dickhead (present company excepted of course )

[fiatdaft]

I'd have neither,but why is somebody a dickhead if they want a new car?

[scooters]

'eaven'ssake FD - you been scoffing grumpy pills this morning?

 

It's just a bit of fun poked at the atypical driver of the A3 Tdi - not a rant against anyone buying a new car or any shitter driving an A3 Tdi who is probably doing so for good reasons other than their friends, Jamie and Jessica from Wandsworth Common have bought one...

[fiatdaft]

No,its just that you always rubbish folk without any foundation that buy moderns,i'm still waiting on yer super powerfull lightweight rover 800 slaying some moderns!

[scooters]

now come on!

 

away and bile yer heid man

 

I've never 'rubbished' anyone for buying a modern -

 

If folk ask my opinion I'll give it which is that it is far more cost effective to buy and run an older car provided you have the confidence and know how to keep it on the road.

 

I suspect that your 'lightweight' comment was based on the post I made when I got tailgated by a new A4 Tdi on the M90 and was able to get away from him - physics, my car had the same BHP and was 400kg lighter...he was up my arse..

 

If you read my post about 'super powerful 820?? -' well it is an 820 turbo which has 200bhp and a drivers torque curve and it will beat cars that have lower Bhp per tonne and lose to cars that have a higher bhp per tonne...physics again

 

I only get upset with moderns when they bully older cars off the road - in such a circumstance it is fun to show them what the older technology can do. I'm sure we've all had 'moderns' treating our older shite like it was in their way.

 

I'm not exactly sure what I've done to piss you off this morning but please, don't attribute to me opinions I don't hold.