Sold FOR SALE: LADA NIVA 1.7i 'OLGA' See Page 8

2,042 · May 31, 2012

Hi again all.

My name is Will and I'm still fairly new to the Autoshite forum, and this is my first major project for a few years.

My brother KruJoe broke the news that I bought a P reg Lada Niva Hussar 1.7i last week, and I am planning to get her roadworthy and use her for daily use.

Shes a beauty. Original eBay page here - http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/270974509154

Here we have'OLGA' my Lada Niva Hussar 4x4 1.7i.
She has only done 8273 miles from new and even though the pictures dont show it the bodywork is in good condition.
She has been standing for 5 years as the head gasket blew.
The engine did not boil or overheat and water did not get into the oil.
I did buy a new head gasket but never got round to fitting it.
She would need to be taken away on a trailer as the M.O.T & TAX have run out.
If you would like to come and have a look at 'OLGA' please send me a message or call/text me on *********** to arrange this.
The car is about 2 minutes away from my house in Waterbeach,Cambs (CB25)
Pay-pal or cash on collection please.

Yes that clock does say 8200 miles.

And yes, you will see that the pictures of it confirm that the clock hasn't been fiddled with.

It looked in a bit of a sorry state on the eBay pictures, no wonder it only made Ã‚Â£422!

She had been hiding in that bush for the last 5 years. That flimsy wad of paperwork on the Corsa bonnet is all I got by way of fire-starting material, but the service record shows it only did 4400 miles in the first 10 years.

Met a couple guys on http://www.shiply.com that could bring her from Cambridge to North Yorkshire for Ã‚Â£80, reasonable price. She was an obvious non starter but rolled fairly well.

Wanted to get a few pictures of the various boats grounded in this old farmyard, without being intrusive. The eagle-eyed of you will have noticed the flying canal boat on the eBay page above

On she goes.

Bit mouldy, but nothing a dab of bleach and T-cut won't sort out.

Before you ask, this was nothing to do with me. Cute name though, and it seems to have stuck. She's now locally known as 'OLGA' and I don't seem to have much choice in the matter.

4 hours later, once home, the first job was to open her up and see whats inside.

Not looking an impossible fix. My brother Joe seems a bit more apprehensive:

KruJoe says:
Nowt to do with me officer

Hmmmmm. Missing rear seats. A homemade marine ply load liner could be mighty practical though.

EH?? What's this I spot? Original unused spare tyre?? OMGs.

It needs a good soaping down...

Promised you the picture, here it is:

Good, tidy interior too.

What a difference a good pressure washer makes! Dent on the rear N/S arch, and a very slight bump on the other side.

After cleaning I found dozens of places where the rust was just starting to ingress under the paint, round seams etc, but nothing you could call really crunchy. Another 2 years living in that bush and she would have been a pile of rusty panels.

After a bit of swift re-arranging and some chugging about on the tractor me and Joe managed to find some room for her.

(Check KruJoe's breaking thread for various 214, Volvo, Escort, 205 and Justy parts.

http://autoshite.commlm/phpbb3/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=12404&p=372210#p372210)

Pretty looking little motor. Good days spending!

Check this out! The last owner bought it with this on, And its only had 3 owners before me!

^

Yes, It's a Lada, And I bought it on eBay!

Awesome.

Second job: Stop the rust! I stripped out the interior to dry out the inevitably wet underlay. It was surprisingly clean and tidy, and the only sign of a little damp was in the N/S front footwell, probably because, to quote KruJoe

panel gaps big enough to fit an arm through

^Check out the random offcuts of rubber used under the seat runners to do some nondescript but most likely important job.

Bit of a wipe and that mucky patch went down the drain.

Henry Hoover did it's job well.

===================================================================

A week has passed and I am back to start tinkering on her. Because I work in a pub 5 days and 50+ hours a week, I can only spend my 2 days off over the hill at my parent's house in Malhamdale working on the car, and posting on Autoshite, so bear with me if this thread seems slow.

Plan for the day:

Get electric into it,

Check to see if it will turn over,

Remove various ancillaries,

Remove metal parts that I could clean and re-paint in my split shifts at work ,

Check for parts that need replacing.

Battery off

Looks like the original Russian one!

Battery tray, cross-member, air filter off

Sump guards to paint and engine tray to repair and paint.

Joe's Lada supplied the power to check electrics, all looked and sounded okay because we were deafened and stunned by that little bastard immobilizer some numpty had installed.

Soon became a pile of scrap! Along with that awful head unit and tweeters that were aftermarket installed. Originality all the way!

Can't remember Joe's exact words, something about redneck steering arrangements. Here's why:

Spark plugs out, and looked okay till I found the 4th cylinder full of water. She turned over with a bit of a lean on a spanner though, so not entirely ceased.

Found Cambridge wildlife living in the engine bay

The well-educated amongst you will know what that hole is for. Never in a million years did I expect, at the age of 21, to have a car with a starting handle!

Luckily the water pump was fine as the coolant looked clean and blue.

The alternator was a bastard to get off, ceased solid, but managed in the end with a bit of help from Joe and his trusty hammer. Banging it obviously helped, it span freely as soon as we got it off!

Re-engineered the alternator bracket so the semi-captive nut was free and easier to remove in a hurry next time.

And the last job before it got too dark to work was to re-spray the engine bay cross-member, to check the colour match to Hammerite Smooth White. Hopefully I can get away with re-spraying repaired/re-sealed sections with this paint, cheaper, easier to use and very good stuff! Used this on white 205s all the time and a concourse judge would never know!

Anyways guys, wish me luck!

I'm off to have a glass of Baileys, and get some sleep. Promise to keep you updated

Will

2,042 · May 31, 2012

Hi again all.

My name is Will and I'm still fairly new to the Autoshite forum, and this is my first major project for a few years.

My brother KruJoe broke the news that I bought a P reg Lada Niva Hussar 1.7i last week, and I am planning to get her roadworthy and use her for daily use.

Shes a beauty. Original eBay page here - http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/270974509154

Here we have'OLGA' my Lada Niva Hussar 4x4 1.7i.
She has only done 8273 miles from new and even though the pictures dont show it the bodywork is in good condition.
She has been standing for 5 years as the head gasket blew.
The engine did not boil or overheat and water did not get into the oil.
I did buy a new head gasket but never got round to fitting it.
She would need to be taken away on a trailer as the M.O.T & TAX have run out.
If you would like to come and have a look at 'OLGA' please send me a message or call/text me on *********** to arrange this.
The car is about 2 minutes away from my house in Waterbeach,Cambs (CB25)
Pay-pal or cash on collection please.

Yes that clock does say 8200 miles.

And yes, you will see that the pictures of it confirm that the clock hasn't been fiddled with.

It looked in a bit of a sorry state on the eBay pictures, no wonder it only made Ã‚Â£422!

She had been hiding in that bush for the last 5 years. That flimsy wad of paperwork on the Corsa bonnet is all I got by way of fire-starting material, but the service record shows it only did 4400 miles in the first 10 years.

Met a couple guys on http://www.shiply.com that could bring her from Cambridge to North Yorkshire for Ã‚Â£80, reasonable price. She was an obvious non starter but rolled fairly well.

Wanted to get a few pictures of the various boats grounded in this old farmyard, without being intrusive. The eagle-eyed of you will have noticed the flying canal boat on the eBay page above

On she goes.

Bit mouldy, but nothing a dab of bleach and T-cut won't sort out.

Before you ask, this was nothing to do with me. Cute name though, and it seems to have stuck. She's now locally known as 'OLGA' and I don't seem to have much choice in the matter.

4 hours later, once home, the first job was to open her up and see whats inside.

Not looking an impossible fix. My brother Joe seems a bit more apprehensive:

KruJoe says:
Nowt to do with me officer

Hmmmmm. Missing rear seats. A homemade marine ply load liner could be mighty practical though.

EH?? What's this I spot? Original unused spare tyre?? OMGs.

It needs a good soaping down...

Promised you the picture, here it is:

Good, tidy interior too.

What a difference a good pressure washer makes! Dent on the rear N/S arch, and a very slight bump on the other side.

After cleaning I found dozens of places where the rust was just starting to ingress under the paint, round seams etc, but nothing you could call really crunchy. Another 2 years living in that bush and she would have been a pile of rusty panels.

After a bit of swift re-arranging and some chugging about on the tractor me and Joe managed to find some room for her.

(Check KruJoe's breaking thread for various 214, Volvo, Escort, 205 and Justy parts.

http://autoshite.commlm/phpbb3/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=12404&p=372210#p372210)

Pretty looking little motor. Good days spending!

Check this out! The last owner bought it with this on, And its only had 3 owners before me!

^

Yes, It's a Lada, And I bought it on eBay!

Awesome.

Second job: Stop the rust! I stripped out the interior to dry out the inevitably wet underlay. It was surprisingly clean and tidy, and the only sign of a little damp was in the N/S front footwell, probably because, to quote KruJoe

panel gaps big enough to fit an arm through

^Check out the random offcuts of rubber used under the seat runners to do some nondescript but most likely important job.

Bit of a wipe and that mucky patch went down the drain.

Henry Hoover did it's job well.

===================================================================

A week has passed and I am back to start tinkering on her. Because I work in a pub 5 days and 50+ hours a week, I can only spend my 2 days off over the hill at my parent's house in Malhamdale working on the car, and posting on Autoshite, so bear with me if this thread seems slow.

Plan for the day:

Get electric into it,

Check to see if it will turn over,

Remove various ancillaries,

Remove metal parts that I could clean and re-paint in my split shifts at work ,

Check for parts that need replacing.

Battery off

Looks like the original Russian one!

Battery tray, cross-member, air filter off

Sump guards to paint and engine tray to repair and paint.

Joe's Lada supplied the power to check electrics, all looked and sounded okay because we were deafened and stunned by that little bastard immobilizer some numpty had installed.

Soon became a pile of scrap! Along with that awful head unit and tweeters that were aftermarket installed. Originality all the way!

Can't remember Joe's exact words, something about redneck steering arrangements. Here's why:

Spark plugs out, and looked okay till I found the 4th cylinder full of water. She turned over with a bit of a lean on a spanner though, so not entirely ceased.

Found Cambridge wildlife living in the engine bay

The well-educated amongst you will know what that hole is for. Never in a million years did I expect, at the age of 21, to have a car with a starting handle!

Luckily the water pump was fine as the coolant looked clean and blue.

The alternator was a bastard to get off, ceased solid, but managed in the end with a bit of help from Joe and his trusty hammer. Banging it obviously helped, it span freely as soon as we got it off!

Re-engineered the alternator bracket so the semi-captive nut was free and easier to remove in a hurry next time.

And the last job before it got too dark to work was to re-spray the engine bay cross-member, to check the colour match to Hammerite Smooth White. Hopefully I can get away with re-spraying repaired/re-sealed sections with this paint, cheaper, easier to use and very good stuff! Used this on white 205s all the time and a concourse judge would never know!

Anyways guys, wish me luck!

I'm off to have a glass of Baileys, and get some sleep. Promise to keep you updated

Will

3,550 · May 31, 2012

Looks like a GR11 project. Be especially sure to keep us updated

3,550 · May 31, 2012

Looks like a GR11 project. Be especially sure to keep us updated

June 1, 2012

Excellent project, they're great little vehicles.

You might enjoy this 'Spirit of Autoshite' Lada Niva thread too.

http://www.expeditionportal.com/forum/threads/58310-Lada-Niva-Mini-Expedition-Project

June 1, 2012

Excellent project, they're great little vehicles.

You might enjoy this 'Spirit of Autoshite' Lada Niva thread too.

http://www.expeditionportal.com/forum/threads/58310-Lada-Niva-Mini-Expedition-Project

10,797 · June 1, 2012

Fantastic write-up Will, I'm hoping to see Olga this weekend as Joe probably mentioned... if you're around tomorrow afternoon you might see me setting up the archery in Miresfield, call over & say hello if you're in the area

10,797 · June 1, 2012

Fantastic write-up Will, I'm hoping to see Olga this weekend as Joe probably mentioned... if you're around tomorrow afternoon you might see me setting up the archery in Miresfield, call over & say hello if you're in the area

2,042 · June 1, 2012

John F says:
Fantastic write-up Will, I'm hoping to see Olga this weekend as Joe probably mentioned... if you're around tomorrow afternoon you might see me setting up the archery in Miresfield, call over & say hello if you're in the area

Thanks! I wont see you unfortunately because I work 5 days a week in the next valley and I have to be back at work tomorrow morning. Never mind. Hope you like what you see!

2,042 · June 1, 2012

John F says:
Fantastic write-up Will, I'm hoping to see Olga this weekend as Joe probably mentioned... if you're around tomorrow afternoon you might see me setting up the archery in Miresfield, call over & say hello if you're in the area

Thanks! I wont see you unfortunately because I work 5 days a week in the next valley and I have to be back at work tomorrow morning. Never mind. Hope you like what you see!

3.8k · June 1, 2012

That's quite a find! Good luck with the project.

3.8k · June 1, 2012

That's quite a find! Good luck with the project.

44,908 · June 1, 2012

Superb. Ebay bravery really seems to have paid off! Good luck with it.

44,908 · June 1, 2012

Superb. Ebay bravery really seems to have paid off! Good luck with it.

10,092 · June 1, 2012

Hey folks! Will did show me the eBay ad for this when it was about Ã‚Â£200, he said "This looks like it could be a cheap little off roader".

I did try to warn him off it, mustard mitt.

He'd never had experience of these, or indeed anything much other than 205s. (But hell, he does know a lot about 205s!)

He has little time these days, and even fewer tools.

It's a fairly late one, so it has injection/catalyst/anti-pollution guff to deal with.

It was at the other side of the country FFS, and...

It has been stuck in a hedge for five years, with HGF WTF.

I tried to list everything that would need attention (in addition to the HGF) I thought it would need, and I guestimated he'd be looking at the thick end of a grand to get it on the road, and that's before starts shopping for insurance. Because it's less than 20 years old, he may struggle for cheap cover, especially as he's a young un with a motoring history best described as 'mixed'.

I left it at that, and didn't see him for another week.

The next think I knew of this was when I stopped to allow a beavertail to turn into the end of our road, with the mouldy wreck I recognised instantly, then I just caught sight of my brother's idiotic grin in the cab! I shook my head at him, slapped my forehead, then went on to collect my wife from Kirkby Malham, and dashed back up the hill to this:

First progress:

The Samara is not a big car. I' had forgotten how small these Nivas are.

Shadows from the original graphics under the moss:

The condition is best described as a "16 year old Lada with 8000 miles on the clock, that has been in a hedge for five years. With HGF."

Sadly, there is rust showing through the paint on almost every seam. Another five years in that yard - I hate to think of the state...

Into its new home:

That'll do for now.

I must say, she's a fine looking thing (if you don't look too closely) and if Will manages to pull this off, I'll be WELL JELL.

Like many of us on AS, I've always fancied one of these.

He's just finished two days of LOVIN with Olga, so there is another update due soon. Keep at it Will!

18,729 · June 1, 2012

I really like these things and you do seem to have been pretty lucky. The body looks in pretty bloody good order.

Nice save and will watch with eagerness.

Ken

10,797 · June 7, 2012

Well, I saw Olga in the flesh (steel) last weekend and spent the next few days nursing a RAGING ERECTIONSKI as a direct result. She's a beaut, and is pretty damn solid too.

Keep at it, Will. Deffo looking forward to updates.

2,042 · June 7, 2012

Hiya again!

Back at home after another 5 days away at work, and have made some progress today on Olga, if slow. Good and bad news to follow!

This post follows last friday's work, then leads on into today.

But first, a little trivia. What the hell is this?? Found it under the trim below drivers seat, KruJoe seems to think it is a subway token or suchlike lost by a factory worker. I'm hoping it may be something exciting like a dinner token. One thing is for sure, it has probably been under there since it was built. Anyone with experience in a Russian factory please let us know!

Anyway, down to business.

After removing the alternator, fan, radiator, bonnet and associated gubbins I needed to remove other ancillaries to make way for cylinder head removal. Curiosity got the better of me and I removed the cam cover for a sneek peak.

Looks a bit slimey but generally good and clean, with nothing in there you wouldn't expect.

Was sailing along merrily and the injection system came off a dream.

Unfortunately I spent a large amount of the afternoon pissing about trying to remove the exhaust manifold, what a bitch! I think they should make a law whereby copper grease has to be used in the construction of all motors!

Looking at the picture above, it would have been a damn sight easier working on this motor if it was left hand drive, as the clutch servo and brake servos may have been on the other side, leaving more room around the back of the block for hands/ratchets.

As always happens in life, its the manifold studs you can't reach that always are the ones that are seized tight! I had to get a picture of it with my camera because I couldn't see it. Looking back it was a wonder that I managed to get it off at all! I had to jack the car up, remove the wheel, make a foot long extension up through the inner wheel arch with Joe's 3/8s ratchet set and use a lump hammer to bang a 1/2inch socket onto the 13mm nut! Exercise in ingenuity!

Anyway, got it off eventually, with a bit of gentle persuasion, and a lot of cursing.

Turns out it is recommended in my new-found 'VAZ VEHICLES REPAIR MANUAL' that the cylinder head is best removed with exhaust and intake manifolds still attached, something completely new to me, after working on deisel 205s!

Looking tidier, ready now for head removal.

Joe returns home from work and offers a jump to turn her over, see what happens.

I was too hands on with jump leads etc at this point to get any good pictures of myself being sprayed in the face with rusty, oily water from the cylinder bores as I touched the jump leads across the starter motor. I think Joe has a few.

Knowing that the engine turns over reasonably well I could sleep that night without nightmares of bad internal engine damage. I spent half an hour or so cleaning and re-arranging the shed and sweeping it out. After rolling about under the car trying to remove exhaust manifold nuts I was sick of getting gravel and shit in my hair. And I have to keep the shop tidy to keep the parents happy!

I found online on http://www.lada-owners-club.co.uk a good, concise repair manual and Mum very kindly printed it out and found a folder for it. It is very detailed, and not full of irrelevance and inaccuracy like I found in Haynes manuals. It has so many good diagrams and details on precise engine component measurements I would be surprised if you couldn't start with a pile of scrap iron and a good workshop and build a Lada from the ground up.

Unfortunately it turns out that Hammerite White spray paint is the wrong shade for the bodywork, but I will invest in a tin to do the inside of the engine bay now that the engine is smaller and easier to get around. Its close to the right colour but just a little too bright white, it will be a quick and easy paint to do the inside of the engine bay whilst I can, and the colour difference will be un-noticable with time and grime.

====================================================================================================

A working week passes and I arrive back home at 2.30am Thursday morning to continue work after a good nights sleep.

The head removal was a quick an simple job in the state I left the engine in, none of this hex bolt shit, just a standard 13mm bolts

But this was what I found...

Cylinder head looked bad at first glance, but looked much better after a couple hours cleaning with a wire wool and Wicked Liquid (like WD40, cleans really well and smells like cheap aftershave ) Sprayed it with a good pressure washer loaded with Flash and Fairy Liquid in hot water, followed by a good rinse and a blow down with the air compressor.

The head was in brilliant condition with no cracks and wasn't noticeably warped in the area it leaked, but I will get a tiny bit shaved off the head just for good measure. I know a garage that can do it fairly cheap, and its worth the effort just to be sure.

After lunch I set about the cylinder block with wire wool and elbow grease and it soon came up good too.

Then I noticed corrosion in the 4th bore and my heart dropped.

It was as rough as sandpaper. Luckily the piston wasn't right at the bottom of the stroke when it was stood with water in the cylinder, or it could have been much worse, the corrosion was only an inch deep band.

I had no choice but to attack it with strong rust remover and wire wool and fine wet and dry paper.

3 hours later, the result was this:

The pictures don't do the change justice, all roughness was gone and the result was a fairly smooth, if slightly pitted bore.

Dad has seemed to have taken a liking to Olga (the parents didn't see it arrive dirty) and was more than helpful. He seems to think that if the bores are smooth enough and lubed well and if I take it steady when running the engine in I might be able to get away with it. Bear in mind my Dad did work on old pre-war side-valve engines that didn't have as fine tolerances as these new ones do. God knows what a pitted cylinder bore will do to the emission test readings!

But I don't have much other choice but to keep calm an carry on

Well at least the piston was nice and clean after so much attention!

^Those dints aren't because of pistons hitting the valves, they were designed in.

The days work was slow, but important progress was made.

Thanks a bunch to you all for the support and thanks especially to AeroNautiCal for this:

AeroNautiCal says:
You might enjoy this 'Spirit of Autoshite' Lada Niva thread.
http://www.expeditionportal.com/forum/threads/58310-Lada-Niva-Mini-Expedition-Project

Will read it over a big bowl of porridge one cold morning

John F says:
I saw Olga in the flesh (steel) last weekend and spent the next few days nursing a RAGING ERECTIONSKI as a direct result

Thanks again all. I'll keep you posted.

Over and Out.

2,696 · June 8, 2012

Great stuff

June 8, 2012

But first, a little trivia. What the hell is this?? Found it under the trim below drivers seat, KruJoe seems to think it is a subway token or suchlike lost by a factory worker. I'm hoping it may be something exciting like a dinner token. One thing is for sure, it has probably been under there since it was built. Anyone with experience in a Russian factory please let us know!

The script round the outside reads something like 'Moskovski Metropoliten', so yes it's probably a tube token.

I've never given Lada Nivas much thought, but this is really nice - would I be right in thinking the doors are the same as the Riva?

3.5k · June 8, 2012

This thread is awesome

Well done.

2,042 · June 8, 2012

Simon M says:
I've never given Lada Nivas much thought, but this is really nice - would I be right in thinking the doors are the same as the Riva?

To be honest mate I don't have a clue. I only bought this car a few weeks ago, and I don't have access to the web every day so haven't managed do any research into the inter-changeability of parts between the Ladas/Fiats/Peugeots. Another job that I need to get around to! Its very useful know snippets like this to save time and money.

1,176 · June 8, 2012

would I be right in thinking the doors are the same as the Riva?

I wouldn't have thought so - the outer skin's certainly a different pressing.

June 8, 2012

Interesting thread.

I know you are still able to purchase Niva's new in France, and over there they have a 1.9 Peugoet XUD fitted, that must make them pretty bomb proof as its a great little diesel engine.

10,797 · June 8, 2012

Interesting thread.

I know you are still able to purchase Niva's new in France, and over there they have a 1.9 Peugoet XUD fitted, that must make them pretty bomb proof as its a great little diesel engine.

You can purchase Nivas new in the UK too, albeit in LHD format.

Great to see your progress, Will Ã¢â‚¬â€œ Joe and I discussed the option of fitting the Pug 1.9 diesel engine to Nivas, might be something to consider if the cylinder pitting proves to be terminal.

1,176 · June 8, 2012

Jonny Smith tested a new one on the last series of Fifth Gear, on the Coast to Coast route.

http://www.channel5.com/shows/fifth-gea ... ode-12-168

It starts at about ten minutes in.

2,042 · June 8, 2012

John F says:
Joe and I discussed the option of fitting the Pug 1.9 diesel engine to Nivas, might be something to consider if the cylinder pitting proves to be terminal.

Sounds good to me, I love the Pug XUD series engine. They did a 1.8, 1.9 and a 2.1, it would be interesting to find out what ones would fit straight in. In my manual all the gearbox ratios/speeds etc are the same for the diesel ones as for the petrol ones, and looking at diagrams of the flywheel end of this 1.7i engine the flywheel looks identical to the Pug Diesel ones, it might be an easy swap.

10,092 · June 8, 2012

The doors will be taller on this than a Riva, Shirley?

The door handles do look familiar, and it would make sense for them to be shared, but without hunting down pictures, don't know for sure.

So these are common* in France as a dizzler? It might be a handy source of bits to convert this.

Car bought with HGF, now home and head removed, how does one tell whether it needs the head skimming or not?
If it is done, must it be stripped first? (Looks to be plenty enough meat before the valves would be touched if they were left in.)

When we had the C*rsa head skimmed we left all the valves etc in place. No idea if you can tell whether a head's been skimmed or not (unless you have a micrometer or whatever they use) but for the cost I wouldn't risk not having it done tbh.

Cheers Billy.

Will has had an offer from a mate to do it for Ã‚Â£20 - it would be rude not to! So are you taking the head home in your rucksack Will?

John's mate Andy was getting proper moist over this when he saw it. When are you signing him up to AS John? He needs to be on here!

I have a few more pics, I'll post 'em up when I have a mo.

2,696 · June 9, 2012

Jonny Smith tested a new one on the last series of Fifth Gear, on the Coast to Coast route.

http://www.channel5.com/shows/fifth-gea ... ode-12-168

It starts at about ten minutes in.

Bloody geo-whatever won't let me watch

10,797 · June 9, 2012

John's mate Andy was getting proper moist over this when he saw it. When are you signing him up to AS John? He needs to be on here!

Hehe... I'll mention it to him

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